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Tuor Turambar,Cursed by the Valar · 12-29-2003, 04:49 PM

OK, I want to know, not who you like the most, or dislike, or think should get a reward, but I want the top 10 most POWERFUL beings in these catagories-

Evil (anything goes, such as morgoth, sauron, nazgul, or an orc captain)

Elves

Humans (only 'good guys', please)

Lord of Angmar · 12-29-2003, 08:47 PM

Morgoth and Manwe, followed by probably just about all of the Valar, are the most powerful beings, unless Eru Iluvatar Himself is counted. As individuals, their means for reshaping, ordering, affecting or, in the case of Morgoth, destroying the world are greater than those of all others.

[EDIT] My mistake, I did not read your post carefully enough. Terribly sorry

Here goes:

Evil:
1. Morgoth
2. Sauron
3. Glaurung
4. Carcharoth (with Silmaril)
5. Ungoliant
6. Ancalagon
7. Gothmog Lord of Balrogs
8. Other Dragons/Balrogs
9. Witch King of Angmar/Ringwraiths
10. Ar-Pharazon
11. Saruman
12. Tom Bombadil [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Elves:
1. Luthien
2. Feanor
3. Fingolfin
4. Earendil
5. Galadriel
6. Finrod Felagund
7. Turgon
8. Elrond Halfelven
9. Gil-galad
10. Sons of Feanor

Men:
1. Turin Turambar
2. Beren
3. Aragorn
4. Hurin
5. Tuor
6. Elendil
7. Isildur/Anarion
8. Faramir
9. Boromir
10. Barahir

It may be (as is often the case) that I have forgotten someone crucial. Let me know if you think so, or if you would like any explanation for any of my choices.

Cheers,
Angmar

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 10:00 PM December 29, 2003: Message edited by: Lord of Angmar ]

lore_master · 12-29-2003, 09:43 PM

was Carcharoth evil?

Lord of Angmar · 12-29-2003, 10:22 PM

Yes, he was.

Quote:

Swiftly the wolf grew, until he could creep into no den, but lay huge and hungry before the feet of Morgoth. There the fire and anguish of hell entered into him, and he became filled with a devouring spirit, tormented, terrible, and strong. Carcharoth, the Red Maw, he is named in the tales of those days, and Anfauglir, the Jaws of Thirst. (Quenta Silmarillion, "Beren and Luthien")

Sound evil enough? And he only got worse when he downed the Silmaril, Beren's hand and all.

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 11:23 PM December 29, 2003: Message edited by: Lord of Angmar ]

lore_master · 12-30-2003, 10:25 AM

sorry i forgot. well mine would be

evil
1. Melkor the Morgoth
2. Sauron
3. Ungoliant
4. Glaurung
5. Witch King of Angmar
6. Nazgul
7. Ancalagon
8. Dragons and Balrogs
9. Shelob
10. Sauruman

elves
1.Feanor
2.Earendil
3.Finrod Felagund
4.Finwe
5.Maedhros
6.Gil-Gald
7.Fingolfin
8.sons of Feanor
9.Elrond
10.Luthien

men
1.Turin Turambar
2.Hurin
3.Aragorn Elessar
4.Ar-Pharazon
5.Tuor
6.Beren One-Hand
7.Elendil
8.Isildur
9.Elros
10.Boromir

thats what i think

***Sharkû*** · 12-30-2003, 10:37 AM

I don't really see a point in arguing with definite statements in the books, such as Luthien being the most powerful of all Eldar. So bear those in mind; do a forum search for 'most powerful' if you need to read up on the who is who.

Tuor Turambar,Cursed by the Valar · 12-30-2003, 11:44 AM

Well, there may not be a point in that, but i want to find people's opinions on the subject of second, third and so on.
The main reason I started this thread is as a poll, to find out who belongs on the list. For example, I was suprised Gothmog rated so low.
This is not about finding out the most powerful, but finding people's opinions on the ranking of the beings in ME.

12-29-2003, 04:49 PM	#1
Tuor Turambar,Cursed by the Valar Wight Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Somewhere, wandering in middle earth... Posts: 137	Top 10ish OK, I want to know, not who you like the most, or dislike, or think should get a reward, but I want the top 10 most POWERFUL beings in these catagories- Evil (anything goes, such as morgoth, sauron, nazgul, or an orc captain) Elves Humans (only 'good guys', please) __________________ Turin Turambar, Master of Fate, by Fate Mastered. No, im not turin. Or tuor. Or anyone. I am not!

12-29-2003, 08:47 PM	#2
Lord of Angmar Tyrannus Incorporalis Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: the North Posts: 833	Morgoth and Manwe, followed by probably just about all of the Valar, are the most powerful beings, unless Eru Iluvatar Himself is counted. As individuals, their means for reshaping, ordering, affecting or, in the case of Morgoth, destroying the world are greater than those of all others. [EDIT] My mistake, I did not read your post carefully enough. Terribly sorry Here goes: Evil: 1. Morgoth 2. Sauron 3. Glaurung 4. Carcharoth (with Silmaril) 5. Ungoliant 6. Ancalagon 7. Gothmog Lord of Balrogs 8. Other Dragons/Balrogs 9. Witch King of Angmar/Ringwraiths 10. Ar-Pharazon 11. Saruman 12. Tom Bombadil [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] Elves: 1. Luthien 2. Feanor 3. Fingolfin 4. Earendil 5. Galadriel 6. Finrod Felagund 7. Turgon 8. Elrond Halfelven 9. Gil-galad 10. Sons of Feanor Men: 1. Turin Turambar 2. Beren 3. Aragorn 4. Hurin 5. Tuor 6. Elendil 7. Isildur/Anarion 8. Faramir 9. Boromir 10. Barahir It may be (as is often the case) that I have forgotten someone crucial. Let me know if you think so, or if you would like any explanation for any of my choices. Cheers, Angmar <font size=1 color=339966>[ 10:00 PM December 29, 2003: Message edited by: Lord of Angmar ] __________________ ...where the instrument of intelligence is added to brute power and evil will, mankind is powerless in its own defence.

12-29-2003, 09:43 PM	#3
lore_master Wight Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Valhalla Posts: 116	was Carcharoth evil? __________________ As you go the way of life, you will see a great chasm. Jump. It is not as wide as you think

12-30-2003, 10:25 AM	#5
lore_master Wight Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Valhalla Posts: 116	sorry i forgot. well mine would be evil 1. Melkor the Morgoth 2. Sauron 3. Ungoliant 4. Glaurung 5. Witch King of Angmar 6. Nazgul 7. Ancalagon 8. Dragons and Balrogs 9. Shelob 10. Sauruman elves 1.Feanor 2.Earendil 3.Finrod Felagund 4.Finwe 5.Maedhros 6.Gil-Gald 7.Fingolfin 8.sons of Feanor 9.Elrond 10.Luthien men 1.Turin Turambar 2.Hurin 3.Aragorn Elessar 4.Ar-Pharazon 5.Tuor 6.Beren One-Hand 7.Elendil 8.Isildur 9.Elros 10.Boromir thats what i think __________________ As you go the way of life, you will see a great chasm. Jump. It is not as wide as you think

12-30-2003, 11:44 AM	#7
Tuor Turambar,Cursed by the Valar Wight Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Somewhere, wandering in middle earth... Posts: 137	Well, there may not be a point in that, but i want to find people's opinions on the subject of second, third and so on. The main reason I started this thread is as a poll, to find out who belongs on the list. For example, I was suprised Gothmog rated so low. This is not about finding out the most powerful, but finding people's opinions on the ranking of the beings in ME. __________________ Turin Turambar, Master of Fate, by Fate Mastered. No, im not turin. Or tuor. Or anyone. I am not!

12-30-2003, 10:37 AM	#6
*Sharkû* Hungry Ghoul Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 1,719	I don't really see a point in arguing with definite statements in the books, such as Luthien being the most powerful of all Eldar. So bear those in mind; do a forum search for 'most powerful' if you need to read up on the who is who.

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