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A few Sally-episodes I found worth while quoting: Early Day 1: Glirdan: Yay!! It's time to hunt for the Wolvsies and have some tea!! Speaking of tea...Sally would you be so kind as to move your furry little behind into a different pot? ... Sally: He's making a joking accusation right there. Do you see it? DO YOU SEE IT?!?! 'Furry little behind' my furry little behind. (what's this all about? Coincidence?) Day 1: Sally: Oh, and I love retractable votes, but I'll just drive myself mad if I have a free pass to mindchanging sitting around. With that.... [retracts her vote] (Sally is trying to make herself look innocent off Agan’s lead?) Day 2: Sally(post 345): Inzil: Not a wolf. Plain and simple. Don't ask me how I know, I just do. Too late to ask now. Clearly Sally did know. But was she lying?
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04-12-2010, 05:18 AM | #482 | ||
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Okayy... so in general. As for Izzy-kill, I think it's most likely that she was killed because several people trusted her and nobody really suspected her much. I don't think there's much to gather from there, which probably was the point for the Wolves.
Otherwise... as for Glirdan and Sally, I think sally's comment can mean either. Whatever is Glirdan's role, Sally either wanted to a) if Glirdan is innocent, to make us wonder about her comment, whether it was so obvious that it was Wolf-on-Wolf or something (the same btw. concerning her comment in her list about Inzil "he's innocent! Don't ask why, he just is" or how it was), and of course preferring if by any chance Glirdy was lynched instead of her - it would give her at least one more Night to live and make us waste yesterDay's lynch and then use toDay's lynch on her, or b) if he's her packmate, she really wouldn't care much whoever of them gets lynched, either way it will be a Wolf (that goes also for all the other Wolves voting, of course, let us bear in mind), and in such a case, if he was lynched, yes, she could gamble toMorrow with a Seer reveal or something (although I think it will be somewhat hard for her to get definite support, but it might lure the real Seer out, and in general sow confusion), or simply, if she was lynched (like she was), we might think that Glirdan was innocent because of all that. Related to that, of course, Nienna's decisive vote could be taken as important indicator if Glirdan was innocent, but we wouldn't know until he is dead, so that is not really of much help now, the matter is too hazy to speculate on right now. Otherwise... I think the most interesting thing is how people have reacted to this sally-Glirdan thing, as for sure Wolves would have a different opinion on it (in their head) than rest of the people, as they'd know Glirdy's role, and something interesting might leak through. Let me once again note that it was Inzil who keeps just "coming back to me on his own" (i.e. I intend not to keep looking just at him all the time and his posts jump at me anyway). This: Quote:
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Lommy has a good point about that thing that WWs might have killed somebody from Glirdy bandwagon if he's guilty, however of course that doesn't have to be like that necessarily, but it's one quite good remark to consider apart from other things. Otherwise, there was something really really baaad about WW yesterDay just when I was leaving or maybe a bit later when I was re-reading the thread, not sure, but there was something that made me think at the moment "okay, I definitely have to vote WW toMorrow". Not sure what it was, I am going to look it up. EDIT: x-ed with skip.
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04-12-2010, 05:28 AM | #483 | |
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Okay, but whatever... for now, I am probably going to review some folks... although I should still read a piece of article for tomorrow, I might spend some time with that and then come back to the thread...
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04-12-2010, 05:41 AM | #484 |
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Seeing Nienna's quotes about Sally, considering she was suspecting her from earlier in the Day and the way she went about suspecting, I'd be really surprised if she wasn't innocent...in the scenario that Glirdan is innocent.
So what to do with Glirdan... One thing I worry is that if he is innocent, this is a great opportunity for the wolves to jump in and push for his lynching since I suspect there may be a pretty heavy bandwagon against him toDay. But on the other hand, we can't really know his role for sure until he is lynched...knowing his role would certainly shed light on some things. I'd love to hear Glirdan's defense, but unfortunately I don't think that'll be happening before I leave for the Day.
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The Glirdan And Sally Day Two Show
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#328 Banter; makes a long but quite superfluous case for Lottie's being the Shirriff. Then- Quote:
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What can I say? That's one jaw-dropper of a post there. It seems almost too careless to the work of a wolf– however, note that wintywinty must have looked quite lynchable at that point. __________________________________________________ ___ Votes: Sally 4 Glirdan 2 Shasta 1 Morsul 1 wintywinty 1 Zil 1 #345 Sally lists her thoughts on everyone. Of Glirdan she says: Quote:
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Comments: Well, some people seem to have got the idea that Glirdan was active in getting Sally lynched, but as we can see here he at first merely echoed other player's points on her in a fairly non-committal way, increased his suspicion gradually as her votes accumulated and only went after her heavily once she had 5 votes. Meanwhile, Sally "suspected" him early in the piece– again in a non-committal way– and made no further mention of him until near the end, when she suddenly become "positive" he was guilty, and went on to make her famous "LYNCH HIM!" post. Well. That all looks pretty damning, doesn't it? However, there are some points against a wolf-on-wolf theory: 1. Up to #403 Glirdy was, by his own account, still reading through the Day and may not have been keeping track of the voting. 2. Glirdan was the runner-up in the voting, the only viable lynch-candidate other than Sallywolf herself. This would have become clear to both parties towards the close of the Day, giving Sally a motive for trying to lynch an innocent Glirdan and innocent-Glirdan a reason to want to suspect her. 3. Glirdan, to put it bluntly, does tend to just go with the flow. (It's actually quite weird, by the way, how often he accuses other players of doing exactly this). Thus, an innocent Glirdan might well have been honestly influenced by the increasing suspicion against Sally. Whew. That all took MUCH TOO LONG. Back later. EDIT:X'd with Brinniel and 2 Legates; wording;formatting.
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04-12-2010, 07:21 AM | #486 |
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The Glirdy-wagon sure was an interesting one. So were the wolves trying to save Sally or are the wolves having a nightmarish start to the game? Let's take a look at yesterDay's voting. Here's the thing (Sally-voters are italicized, those we need not think of are underlined and the rest are bolded to make the list more readable). Morsul -> Sally Nerwen -> Sally2 Lommy -> Glirdy (Agan actually voted for Inzil here) Greenie -> Shasta Legate -> Sally3 winty -> Sally4 Shasta -> Morsul Mira -> Winty Lottie -> Glirdy2 Agan -> Inzil Nog -> Sally5 Brinn -> Sally6 Skip -> Glirdy3 Glirdy -> Sally7 Inzil -> Glirdy4 Izzy -> Glirdy5 Nienna -> Sally8 Sally -> Glirdy6 We can look at this list first from two perspectives; assuming that Glirdy a wolf and assuming him innocent. If Glirdy is a wolf the reading of the list is pretty hard as the wolves could possibly hide anywhere. If Glirdy is innocent, then the Glirdy-voters sure merit a closer look. The Glirdy voters then are Lommy, Skip and Inzil. If Glirdy is a wolf then Lommy looks good (it would be foolish to another mate the second one getting votes when one is already gathering the votes), if Glirdy is innocent Lommy looks actually pretty bad (trying to open another lynching route with picking up an easyish lynch-candidate). Skip's vote is harder to pin down but the same basic logic applies, even if only in relative turns. Surely if Glirdy is innocent, his vote with the vagueish to and fro with Sally would look quite evil indeed (as it could be seen as a try to build up a wagon for Glirdy, even if quite desperate one), but if Glirdy is a wolf, then it's harder to say (why to press another mate forwards at that point - well that wouldn't be totally unbelievable but actually quite smart?). With Inzil it's again a bit different. First of all it must be noted that Inzil votes in a situation where one could actually count the votes to come and see the possibility of Glirdan being actually lynched over Sally. So in case of Glirdy being innocent I'd think that vote especially incriminating for Zil. But it would be quite a nice move also in the case Glirdy is a wolf as at that point he could also speculate with the slimness of the chances of getting Glirdy lynched and thus look better later as an independent thinker who gets it right. Some of them probably just plain thought Glirdy looked more suspicious than Sally for I do not believe these three are our three wolves left. That would be a bit too daring indeed. Although, if Glirdy turns up innocent then even that should be considered. I'll come back with those who decided to choose differently (not voting Sally or Glirdy) & Sally-voters in a moment. (~~~) *grin vanishing*
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04-12-2010, 07:29 AM | #488 | |
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What I tried to say is this: it would be foolish for a wolf to vote for fellow B, making him the second overall candidate to get votes, when fellow A has already two votes. So there would be two wolves having votes and none other... (~~~) *grin vanishing*
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Hi I'm here. However I have very little time so I'm going to read as much as I can...
I doubt we can make much of sally's last words (or the whole of her yesterday participation, for that matter). She probably knew she was going to die and did her best to confuse us as much as she could. Morsul looks better to me today, I can follow his logic about sally. However I don't think the fact that she tried to lynch Glirdan tells us anything about his role. There are some people I want to have a look at today, but it will have to wait until evening because I have something to attend to shortly. I'm basically speaking about Shasta, Nerwen, Glirdan and Brinn because I need to clear my thoughts about them. However I'll have to see how many of them I have time for today. Quote:
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So I have to leave in a couple of minutes... I'll go through yesterday later.
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04-12-2010, 08:15 AM | #490 |
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Well then those who walked their own paths (more epic-style to our thread ). Greenie -> Shasta Agan -> Inzil The vote-count at that point was (also when Agan actually voted): Sally2 Glirdy1 It wouldn't be the most effective way to help Sally but as the vote was made relatively early it might have been somewhat good idea for a fellow wolf putting another "easyish" voting candidate into the list (increasing the chances that someone else will get the noose eventually), and if Glirdy is a wolf, then her choice of adding a new candidate would be obvious. Shasta -> Morsul The vote-count at that point was: Sally4 Glirdy1 Shasta1 Sally was clearly taking the heat there so just to defend her Shasta's move isn't the best one to help out a fellow, but seeing that he himself had a vote as well it could be possible Shasta-wolf decided to bring forwards a new candidate - not to talk of the possibility only wolves had gathered votes at that point of the Day! Mira -> Winty The vote-count at that point was: Sally4 Glirdy1 Shasta1 Morsul1 Now this is an interesting choice. One more "easy lynch" candidate thrown into the lot. There were a host of votes to come as it was relatively early so why not put all the baits in there so that someone would pass Sally? And many had suspected winty, so maybe the "benefit of doubt" would have worn away? Or were there too many mates in the fray at that point that she really needed to add a new one? The thing that bothers me with basically everyone here is that they more or less bring forwards the so called "easy lynches". Obviously they all four can't be wolves and thus some of their suspicions must be honest and innocent. But I'd bet a lot for there being a wolf in this group - like in the group of Glirdy-voters. The rest coming soon. (~~~) *grin vanishing*
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04-12-2010, 08:44 AM | #491 |
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Sally-lynchers then... Morsul -> Sally Nerwen -> Sally2 Morsul looks so darn suspicious everytime he plays but it would be quite daring for him to start voting against a mate who clearly was facing some real pressure that Day. And actually, if Glirdan is a wolf then the same applies for toDay. Could it be a done deal? Risky, but possibly paying back in the endgame? Nerwen I think quite good of as adding the lead of a packmate at that situation would hve been both bold and possibly quite counter-productive. Or did they think Sally was a goner already during the Night? Legate -> Sally3 winty -> Sally4 These two votes I think talk rather good of their makers as one looks at the placing of them. They clearly made Sally the real candidate number one. If one of them were a wolf they'd surely have reasons coming for another candidates? So voting Sally at that point would have been unnecessary. Nog -> Sally5 Brinn -> Sally6 More or less the same as with Legate & winty. The difference being that there was then clearly a chance of a second candidate with Glirdy. I suspected Sally more than Glirdy, Brinn didn't mention Glirdy at all. Glirdy -> Sally7 Self-preservation, whatever his role is. Nienna -> Sally8 The decisive vote. Blah... have no time to continue as I have to run to a meeting. See you later... (~~~) *grin vanishing*
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04-12-2010, 09:22 AM | #492 |
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Looking at the voting list, Mira's vote looks quite bad not only because of the nature of the vote that I mentioned yesterDay I didn't like, but the timing too (Sally was really racking up in votes by then). Actually, Shasta looks just as bad for the timing of his vote, but I can't remember his reasons behind the vote, so I should perhaps check that out later. In any case, they both warrant a reason for me to better look at them come toMorrow.
But I must be going now, so here's my vote: ++Glirdan I hate making early votes and I still wish I could've actually heard what he may have to say before making this vote, but I won't be back toDay most likely. His role could go either way, and knowing what it is would clear up some things. Even if he did turn out innocent, his death wouldn't exactly be a devastating blow to the village considering we are ahead in the game lynching a wolf and cobbler in two Days...and not to mention that his death could provide useful clues, whatever his role may be. If we don't lynch him toDay, we'll just be wondering the same things about him come toMorrow. So at this point, unless a more suspicious candidate comes forth, he seems the best choice for toDay.
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04-12-2010, 10:05 AM | #493 |
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Here and reading, with comments to make (especially about my exhausted post from earlier this morning. )
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Okay, after reading through as my much-less-tired self, I still don't like the way Greenie quoted Inzil out-of-context. It seems to me fairly obvious that Inzil thought Glirdan was being contradictory in his post about Nerwen, which is a fair reason for suspicion, so I don't see where the "grasping at straws" fits in. Especially as Inzil looked to be under a bit of suspicion yesterday. Speaking of throwaway votes (Lommy's #477 talking about Mira is what reminded me) I still don't like Morsul's vote yesterday. It feels like he's established "vote early and be suspicious at all times" as his own playstyle, but at the same time right now it feels like he's hiding behind it a bit. Quote:
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04-12-2010, 10:56 AM | #495 |
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Is back for a bit. Will try to have a look at how the Glirdan suspicions arose and why.
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04-12-2010, 11:29 AM | #496 |
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In brief, Shasta whacked me over the head with a dead fish and told me to stop being silly and look at other people. Now, as I did not suspect him at all (still don't), this would be a silly move for a wolf to make, because I could easily have turned on him for trying to allay suspicion of packmates. As it happens, it was extremely helpful, because I was being rather silly. Anyway, though, my point is that waking up the known innocent from blind suspicion is not a good move for a wolf to make, but it is a good move for an innocent.
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Sadly, I don't think this particularly means that he's a wolf. He just has a strange and somewhat silly style. (Ooh alliteration! And that's not meant to be an insult, dear, I'm just sayin'.) I don't particularly suspect him...but I don't trust him or his logic either, and I don't trust him to do what's necessarily best for the village. (Side note: I'd think he was the cobbler if I didn't know Fea was, rather than a wolf.)
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Ok, it seems, and correct me if I'm wrong, that certain suspicious arose from his allegedly wolfish voting on Day 1. No votes on Glirdan on day one though.
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I'm back! First off, it seems I've made a mess again with the Inzil-quote-thing.
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04-12-2010, 01:18 PM | #501 |
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I'm back... but I don't plan to be around for very long, as I have to wake up very early tomorrow. I would actually prefer to leave in about an hour or something, so basically that means I should decide whom to vote here toDay and then go.
Before I do it, general remarks. I have become a bit worried about Aganzir now, just looking at her vote yesterDay. If it's timing was how it was (as stated by Nogrod, when she gave his vote to him), and if Glirdan is a Wolf, then that would be really a logical way to vote for a Wolf, as it was likely other people might vote Inzil (like I could do that, for example) and also it would not be threatening any of the Wolves (Sally and Glirdan, in this scenario). Something similar might go for Greenie's vote for Shasta, in such a case. Once again, this is just with the scenario assuming Glirdan is a Wolf. (Well, I really think knowing his role would clarify many things.) However, I am remarking that with relation to Aganzir also in relation to the fact that she has been just very, well, sneaky up to now (there's probably not a better word). She seems to be going her own way a lot and basically avoiding getting into the "pot", to the center of things where it all boils, while at the same time keeping us aware that she is around and posting and looking reasonable. That said, I do not have any particular reason to suspect her - yet. But I just thought to remark it here as a current thought that's on my mind and maybe, in future Days, it will become worth something. (Or not.) Otherwise, I don't have particularly specific reasons to suspect Glirdan (as I didn't have earlier) other than the things implied toDay, as I have also mentioned earlier toDay, possible co-packing with sally and all that. If it wasn't for this, I thing I actually wouldn't be suspecting him at all - so now I am not really thinking about voting him toDay, but somebody else. I'll return to the voting list once again. Basically from somewhere around the point I and WW have voted, it must have been clear for the Wolves that their sally is running up for the lynch. So now depending on the individual Wolves' nature, they'd likely try to either save her (a dangerous attempt which might expose them), or throw their votes away (and thus throwing her away as well). Greenie, Shasta and Mira (and Aganzir, however I have already mentioned her above and technically her vote came earlier, but most of the rules apply - well, see above) belong to this cathegory and it seems fairly likely that one Wolf at least would be among them. If Glirdan is a Wolf, then even more likely. On the other hand, if Glirdan is a Wolf, then I'd expect some Wolf/ves in the Sally bandwaggon. Okay, actually it seems really many things depend on whether Glirdan is innocent or not. One of the things is also my suspicion for Inzil, as his vote was placed in such a way that if Glirdan is a Wolf, it would have been quite good, almost safe place for a Wolf-on-Wolf vote. Okay, so in other words, that sort of makes one think about voting Glirdy just for the sake of untangling that knot of questions. On the other hand, maybe it will be more interesting to try to repeat the feat of King Solomon (which seemed to pay off yesterDay) and vote somebody else. I will think for a bit - and then vote and go to sleep. So, around and watching and thinking... EDIT: x-ed with Greenie
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04-12-2010, 01:36 PM | #502 |
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I'd prefer voting Glirdan or Nogrod toDay. Glirdan's death, as has been mentioned, would shed light to many things, and his interactions with Sally were very fishy. Nogrod's interactions with Sally looked bad too, and I don't like how he's been slipping under pretty much everyone's radar, being nice and invisible yet contributing. I could also vote Shasta or Inzil, but would prefer one of the earlier two.
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04-12-2010, 01:42 PM | #503 |
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Greenie, it really doesn't apply in the BD world. It means "Too long, didn't read" and it's used basically if you want to people to skip to your conclusion. I just used it because I thought it was funny.
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04-12-2010, 01:47 PM | #504 |
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When looking at the two scenarios though, Glirdan is innocent, and Glirdan is guilty, you must bare in mind that him being innocent is much likelier than not. Out of the remaining 16 villagers there are 3 wolves. Given that the accusations against Glirdan are not built on any solid evidence, they are perhaps even incidental, the probability that he is an innocent villager (or gifted) is a lot higher than him being a wolf (what, like 5 times?) There's no going around that.
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I am rethinking, let me see now the list of people for the last time and then I probably vote and be gone. I have to sleep.
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04-12-2010, 02:00 PM | #506 |
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Bed-time! I've been flip-flopping on whether to vote Nog or Glirdy, and decided to go for
++ Nogrod Now I'm not sure if this is a throwaway, I suppose one could see it as such, but I just feel I should stir the pot a bit. I find Nogrod very suspicious, he's being too agreeable and nudging things from the background, and his interactions with Sally seemed quite wolf-on-wolf to me. I won't be disappointed if Glirdy gets lynched. Unless he's an innocent, of course. That said, good night babes! EDIT: x-ed with leggy-leggy-legz
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04-12-2010, 02:08 PM | #508 |
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Okay, so simply put it looks like it finally came to voting my sort of long-term suspect,
++Inziladun who is the person I suspect the most in general at the moment. Good night, people, and vote well. EDIT: x-ed with Greenie and Shasta
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I've been thinking about this post by Sally. It was posted early on day two when she had already received 2 votes, knew she was in trouble, but still must have figured she could escape with so many people left to vote.
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But the suspects she list (and remember, at this point she would be hoping that one of these suspects is picked up and that this would save her hide) is interesting though I think. I somehow doubt that she would list more than one, possibly two, fellow wolves. She doesn't want to set up a pack-mate at this point, that I think is clear from her bland list, she hopes to set up an innocent in her place. Which is why I think that there's only one, at most two, wolves in this list: Morsul Legate Glirdan Winty Shasta Who then. Well... Shasta, possibly. Don't know...
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04-12-2010, 02:23 PM | #510 |
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Votes so far (correct me if I'm wrong):
Morsul -> Glirdan Brinn -> Glirdan Greenie -> Nogrod Legate -> Inzil Hm. Will need to vote soon too. Hm. Needs to think about this.
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Hi sorry I'm here only now, it took me about two hours longer to get home than I expected... I doubt I'll have time for everything I wanted to do but ah here we go, back to yesterday.
I find it very unlikely Mira and Zil are wolves together. I doubt wolves would vote each other so early the way Zil voted Mira (mostly based on my suspicions), and now they're apparently suspecting each other. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if one was a wolf though. In theory, the fact that winty got confused about sally's gender suggests he's innocent. But then, the nickname sally is rather feminine... Quote:
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I haven't had and will most likely not have time to go through Glirdan and his actions properly, but I don't think his arguments look wolfish. However he hasn't made me feel very strongly that he's innocent, either, and I agree with people who say his death would offer us insights. Hmm I wonder if a Shastawolf had told Lottie to take off her wolf-coloured glasses... It's possible if either (or both) Glirdan or Greenie is a wolf, I suppose (just to divert her attention somewhere else, even at the risk she started suspecting another wolf). I don't know. Okay Shasta's later post (#340) looks innocentish. Grrr we've reached day 3 which is always a turning point for me: either I get a grip of the game or start having second thoughts about everyone. This time it's the latter. A wolf team of winty and Mira doesn't seem plausible, either. She voted for him yesterday, saying she thinks there might be wolfish coaching going on (or then he's just a newbie). It just doesn't sound likely that she would've done that if both were wolves. Okay after Glirdy's post #403 I'm certainly not going to vote for him. I think he looks quite innocent there, plus he brings forward Mira and winty, both of whom I have been wondering about. If he's a wolf, I find it unlikely they are, or the other way round. And Inzil seems to totally disagree with me about that post. Quote:
And yup if you are fellows, I'm certain you would've instructed him the previous night. However I don't want to underestimate you, either. Why not do it twice if the second time might make you look more innocent? CONCLUSION (based mostly on things posted after I disappeared yesterday) Innocent -Lottie -Lommy. Haven't changed my mind about her. -Legate; if he's a wolf, it would benefit him more, if not to encourage, at least to not discourage Lottie's suspicion of me. Plus his posting is reasonable. -Nienna; see Legate. -Greenie; I think she looks innocentish and I agree with her a lot. Guilty -Zil/Mira -winty/Mira No definite opinion about anyone else. I'm most likely going to vote for Inzil because I'm more interested in his role than Glirdy's. And will do it in, dunno, half an hour I hope.
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Only here for a minute I voted Early because I keep colliding badly with the times of the game I'm usually free all night phase and have maybe an hour or so during the day normally at the beginning.
"It" means going with my gut. Also like to point out I still have me retractable. If I didn't I might not have voted at all This way If I see something I can change... Hasn't happened yet. I'm 95% sure of this vote. I really Really Can figure out any other way Sally's vote and cry to Nienna makes sense. Lastly I'm rushing this post... To the person who said they'd eat their hat if Nienna and I were Pack mates Don't worry your Hat shall remain in tact. See you all tomorrow(Maybe)
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Inzil is coming into the discussion I see. Interesting, but I have one problem with the idea. Why would a wolfish Inzil stick out his neck in what you in retrospect would call a desperate attempt to save what he knows to be a pack-mate? It seems too clumsy almost.
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Finally back. And greetings from the admin thread. It seems we have a D3-syndrome with a host of people telling their part-taking will be minimal or null... Back with you in a moment. (~~~) *grin vanishing*
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Hmm I wonder why the wolves didn't kill Lottie last night. Did they want to play it safe in case the ranger protected her, did they think she could help them to lynch innocents, or did they consider Izzy a more imminent threat? I have no time to think about this now and I know Izzy's death has been discussed to an extent but I just wanted to bring it up.
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04-12-2010, 03:00 PM | #520 |
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Yeah but we never know, do we? Of course, it could be anything. It could be a double, triple, quadruple- bluff. But imo, a simpler explanation is generally more likely. But I've had my doubts about Inzil too. If I only could remember what they were...
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