Dark Heros of Men - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

steve · 12-24-2002, 12:06 AM

I was curious, in the Third age, War of the Ring, were there any NOTABLE Eastelings, Harradrim, or Virags from Khand?

Manwe Sulimo · 12-24-2002, 12:11 AM

Well, Gothmog may have been one, but we don't know diddly-squat about him. Other than that, nobody worth real note. Unless, of course, you could settle for people before the WotR.

steve · 12-24-2002, 12:45 AM

Thanks Manwe, but I need someone from war of the Ring, since u play WcIII i guess i can tell u, half the Qs i ask are so i can get the map im making perfect

Galorme · 12-24-2002, 05:34 AM

Quite simply no. This would have made them seem more human instead of monsters, thus we would have empathised with them, thus we wouldn't have been so passé about them being slaughtered.

Manwe Sulimo · 12-24-2002, 08:51 AM

Hmmm....for War3....You could probably just make the generic "Haradrim King" or something....

tangerine · 12-24-2002, 12:39 PM

Well, Faramir HAD been fighting a 'noted champion of the Haradrim on horseback', but they don't give any names.

Galorme · 12-24-2002, 01:02 PM

You could make assumptions that they would have names based on other Easterling characters from the First Age (Uldor perhaps), as Tolkein was fond of that among the good guys, and names seem to be recycled with Sauron too (Udun, Gothmog etc)

doug*platypus · 01-04-2003, 02:59 AM

There may have been, in fact there probably were, but all the histories of that time have come down to us from the goodies' side, and so we can't possibly know about them. Knowing about the heroes of the enemy would have been unrealistic; Tolkien was a strong user of Point of View. We never know anything that it is impossible to know, or cannot be inferred.

The Mouth of Sauron apparently was from Harad, that's about all we are told. I think that Khamûl, one of the Nazgûl, came from the East. You could check Unfinished Tales. The Corsairs of Umbar were descended from Black Numenoreans, so maybe you could use some evil-sounding Numenorean names. If you get your map finished, maybe the mods will let you a put a link to it somewhere on this site? Good luck.

the witch king · 01-05-2003, 10:06 AM

the black easterling, he was the 2nd nazgul, after the witch king. and who knows, gothmog?

12-24-2002, 12:06 AM	#1
steve Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Edoras... er, Philadelphia Posts: 191	Dark Heros of Men I was curious, in the Third age, War of the Ring, were there any NOTABLE Eastelings, Harradrim, or Virags from Khand? __________________ MAGIC SHOP! Spells of Mass Destruction 20% off! Today Only!

12-24-2002, 12:11 AM	#2
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	Well, Gothmog may have been one, but we don't know diddly-squat about him. Other than that, nobody worth real note. Unless, of course, you could settle for people before the WotR. __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."

12-24-2002, 12:45 AM	#3
steve Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Edoras... er, Philadelphia Posts: 191	Thanks Manwe, but I need someone from war of the Ring, since u play WcIII i guess i can tell u, half the Qs i ask are so i can get the map im making perfect __________________ MAGIC SHOP! Spells of Mass Destruction 20% off! Today Only!

12-24-2002, 05:34 AM	#4
Galorme Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: London Posts: 337	Quite simply no. This would have made them seem more human instead of monsters, thus we would have empathised with them, thus we wouldn't have been so passé about them being slaughtered. __________________ Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë! The day has come! Behold people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!

12-24-2002, 08:51 AM	#5
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	Hmmm....for War3....You could probably just make the generic "Haradrim King" or something.... __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."

12-24-2002, 12:39 PM	#6
tangerine Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 100	Well, Faramir HAD been fighting a 'noted champion of the Haradrim on horseback', but they don't give any names.

12-24-2002, 01:02 PM	#7
Galorme Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: London Posts: 337	You could make assumptions that they would have names based on other Easterling characters from the First Age (Uldor perhaps), as Tolkein was fond of that among the good guys, and names seem to be recycled with Sauron too (Udun, Gothmog etc) __________________ Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë! The day has come! Behold people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!

01-04-2003, 02:59 AM	#8
doug*platypus Delver in the Deep Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 960	There may have been, in fact there probably were, but all the histories of that time have come down to us from the goodies' side, and so we can't possibly know about them. Knowing about the heroes of the enemy would have been unrealistic; Tolkien was a strong user of Point of View. We never know anything that it is impossible to know, or cannot be inferred. The Mouth of Sauron apparently was from Harad, that's about all we are told. I think that Khamûl, one of the Nazgûl, came from the East. You could check Unfinished Tales. The Corsairs of Umbar were descended from Black Numenoreans, so maybe you could use some evil-sounding Numenorean names. If you get your map finished, maybe the mods will let you a put a link to it somewhere on this site? Good luck. __________________ But Gwindor answered: 'The doom lies in yourself, not in your name'.

01-05-2003, 10:06 AM	#9
the witch king Wight Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Minas Morgul, Morgul Vale, Mordor Posts: 201	the black easterling, he was the 2nd nazgul, after the witch king. and who knows, gothmog? __________________ 'Whenever death may surprise us, let it be welcome if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.'~ Che Guevara.

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