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05-24-2008, 09:47 PM | #1 |
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Endless Valinor ?
Let me start by saying that i'am brand new to this site. I chose this Tolkien site because it's the most knowledable and correct amongst all others. My question is what's your opinion whether the land of Valinor was endless I mean like the forests and plains. Just wanted to know peoples personal thoughts. Hello and Thanks
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05-24-2008, 10:00 PM | #2 |
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No, Valinor is not endless from a continental standpoint. It is bound on the west by Ekkaia (the Encircling Sea) and by the Sea of Belegaer to the east. It's northern extremity is buried in the grinding ice of Helcaraxe.
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05-25-2008, 01:48 AM | #3 |
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OK but if one were to enter say the Forest of Oromë or the gardens of Lórien. Could they maybe be endless if they chose them to be ?
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Welcome, r.j.c.! Well, as for the "endlessness" of Valinor, while I see what you mean and it will be nice (and I think quite appropriate), it seems clear that even here Valar are bound by the "boundaries of the realm of Arda", so to say. Or to use the Professor's words:
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05-25-2008, 06:40 AM | #6 |
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It could be, however I would personally believe that it is not so. It was simply "re-located" - we are told that it was hidden, but nothing more than that. Also, it will be "altering the plans of Valinor" - bear in mind that Akallabeth was not originally planned. Had it not happened, Valinor would have remained the same, so altering its geographical boundaries would be also something "out of plan" - and somewhat illogical, I would say.
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05-25-2008, 07:48 AM | #8 |
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Good idea and I too agree that theoretically it could be possible, but I would rather support Legate's idea that Aman as a continent, as a phyisical place, was not changed but only simply removed from the world.
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If post Downfall Valinor is no longer physically part of Arda, then physical things, the Encircling Sea, the grinding ice of Helcaraxe, no longer define it.
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However, once Valinor is removed from the world and faces no threats, the idea of well defined guarded sanctuary should no longer hold. I don't know that this means that post Downfall Valinor becomes endless but, to me, once you remove it from the physical world whatever plan there was with respect to its boundaries goes out the window.
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05-26-2008, 12:24 AM | #10 |
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WOW all excellent and insightful opinions thanks very much.
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