Carcaroth - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Banazîr · 01-29-2002, 04:55 PM

I bought a LOTR 2002 calendar lately, on september, the picture on is Arwen(Liv Tyler).
I don't mind at all having an image of Arwen on my wall, but I have this problem that I don't want Liv Tyler on my wall!
What should I do?
[img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]
Anyway, seriously I was just wondering if any of you had seen somewhere a drawing of Carcaroth, the evil wolf of Angband who ate a Silmaril..?

03-03-2002, 02:41 AM

draw mustaches on her untl she is irrecognizable.... or paste a picture of Arwen on top... [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]tsk it's a shame, they're trying to make Liv Tyler-Arwen into Luthien, which she is NOT!

Thalionyulma · 03-07-2002, 06:40 AM

I think Carcharoth is the wolf on the cover of Unfinished Tales(I don't know who the guy wearing the hood is though - sori, not 2 sure if it is Carcharoth)... well on the one I got - it sure isn't Huan.

Mhoram · 03-07-2002, 07:49 AM

"Then Morgoth recalled the doom of Huan, and he chose one from among the whelps of the race of Draugluin; and he fed him with his own hand upon living flesh, and put his power upon him. Swiftly the wolf grew, until he could creep into no den, but lay huge and hungry before the feet of Morgoth." -Of Beren And Luthien, Silmarilion

I therefore assume that the hooded figure peting Carcaroth on the cover of Unfinished Tales is Morgoth.

Notice also that his hands are somewhat vile as though having been burnt. (Implying, by the Silmarils.)

The figure sits on in a chair that looks to be made of either iron or stone.

Behind them is a serpant, perhaps a dragon, and what looks to be an old rendition of a balrog.

As far as Carcaroth, looks like a regular wolf.

[ March 07, 2002: Message edited by: Mhoram ]

Mhoram · 03-07-2002, 07:56 AM

Telchar · 03-07-2002, 09:07 AM

Nice cover - and I guess you're right Mhoram. But it could also be a drawing of Gorthaur/Sauron and Drauglin on Tol-in-Gauhoth in the scene where Drauglin comes back to Gorthaur and tells him 'Huan is here Master'.

Thingol · 03-07-2002, 04:22 PM

Looks more like the Emperor from The Return of the Jedi to me. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Kuruharan · 03-07-2002, 04:38 PM

It must be Sauron. No Iron Crown with the Silmarils, which "he never took from his head."

Mhoram · 03-07-2002, 09:01 PM

Could be under the hood, and the artist might not have known that fact. *shrugs*

Telchar · 03-08-2002, 07:18 AM

we'll never know - but it was a good point about the crown! [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Mhoram · 03-08-2002, 10:30 AM

yes

Imperica · 03-08-2002, 10:54 AM

In my opinion, the hooded figure seated is Sauron. And I always thought the crowned figure was Morgoth.

Thalionyulma · 03-09-2002, 05:55 AM

I thought Huan would look like a great hunting dog... [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] Now I want to get a picture of both Huan and carcaroth to compare....

obloquy · 03-09-2002, 07:53 PM

What a horrible cover image, though. I'd like to know who that tattooed man is, and what the snake has to do with anything. The new edition of Unfinished Tales has much better cover art.

Alfirin · 06-23-2007, 12:47 PM

Don't think I've ever seen a picture of Carcaroth either but there would be three things to consider

1. Caracroth its described as the "Greatest of Wolves" and in Tolkein terms this probably means he is ENORMOUS. Add on that almost all of the beasts in the First age were much much bigger that in the third (who in turn were much bigger than in the first.) For example Thorondor the Lord of the Eagles in the first age (the one who scarred Ancalgon) is supposed to have a wingspand of thirty fathoms i.e. 180 feet. I therfore think it likey that Carcaroth could easily be the size of a medium horse or even a small elephant (I mean a modern elephant not a Mumakul) I admit however that making him so large would be the question of why her merely bit Beren's hand off instead of swallowing him whole.

2. Since Caracroth proably is based (at least loosely) on Fenrir the wolf from Norse mythology an illistration from that would pobably give one a clue as to what Tolkein envisioned.

3. There may actually be Illustrations of Carcaroth (in a roundabout way) in "The Return of the King." Just as the battering ram used against Minas Tirith is named "Grond" after Melkor's great black mace. I have alaways though that it head described as being shaped "in the likeness of a ravening wolf" is meant to be an image of Carcaroth. Some support for this may be in the fact that a ravening wolf usually means one with it's jaws wide open. Carcaroth's alternate name (after he devours the Silmaril) is Anfauglir which is usally translated as "The Jaws of Thirst." However it is interesting to note that the two Sindar root worlds of the name could also be transalted as "The Jaws which Gape"

Hyarion · 06-25-2007, 10:57 PM

Now that was an old bump, over 5 years

Here's a couple images of Carcharoth, I'll try and find some more:
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Categ..._of_Carcharoth

01-29-2002, 04:55 PM	#1
Banazîr Pile O'Bones Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 19	Carcaroth I bought a LOTR 2002 calendar lately, on september, the picture on is Arwen(Liv Tyler). I don't mind at all having an image of Arwen on my wall, but I have this problem that I don't want Liv Tyler on my wall! What should I do? [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] Anyway, seriously I was just wondering if any of you had seen somewhere a drawing of Carcaroth, the evil wolf of Angband who ate a Silmaril..? __________________ "Baruk khâzad! Khazâd ai ménu!" "Axes of the dwarves! The Dwarves are upon you!"

03-07-2002, 09:07 AM	#6
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Nice cover - and I guess you're right Mhoram. But it could also be a drawing of Gorthaur/Sauron and Drauglin on Tol-in-Gauhoth in the scene where Drauglin comes back to Gorthaur and tells him 'Huan is here Master'. __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

03-07-2002, 04:22 PM	#7
Thingol Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 259	Looks more like the Emperor from The Return of the Jedi to me. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ Yet the lies that Melkor, the mighty and accursed, Morgoth Bauglir, the Power of Terror and of Hate, sowed in the hearts of Elves and Men are a seed that does not die and cannot be destroyed; and ever and anon it sprouts anew, and will bear dark fruit even unto the latest days.

03-07-2002, 04:38 PM	#8
Kuruharan Regal Dwarven Shade Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A Remote Dwarven Hold Posts: 3,591	It must be Sauron. No Iron Crown with the Silmarils, which "he never took from his head." __________________ ...finding a path that cannot be found, walking a road that cannot be seen, climbing a ladder that was never placed, or reading a paragraph that has no...

03-08-2002, 07:18 AM	#10
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	we'll never know - but it was a good point about the crown! [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

03-03-2002, 02:41 AM	#2
Celebsewien Guest Posts: n/a	draw mustaches on her untl she is irrecognizable.... or paste a picture of Arwen on top... [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]tsk it's a shame, they're trying to make Liv Tyler-Arwen into Luthien, which she is NOT!

03-07-2002, 06:40 AM	#3
Thalionyulma Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: across the sea Posts: 295	I think Carcharoth is the wolf on the cover of Unfinished Tales(I don't know who the guy wearing the hood is though - sori, not 2 sure if it is Carcharoth)... well on the one I got - it sure isn't Huan.

03-07-2002, 07:49 AM	#4
Mhoram Dead and Loving It Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: The land of fast cars and loud guitars. Posts: 361	"Then Morgoth recalled the doom of Huan, and he chose one from among the whelps of the race of Draugluin; and he fed him with his own hand upon living flesh, and put his power upon him. Swiftly the wolf grew, until he could creep into no den, but lay huge and hungry before the feet of Morgoth." -Of Beren And Luthien, Silmarilion I therefore assume that the hooded figure peting Carcaroth on the cover of Unfinished Tales is Morgoth. Notice also that his hands are somewhat vile as though having been burnt. (Implying, by the Silmarils.) The figure sits on in a chair that looks to be made of either iron or stone. Behind them is a serpant, perhaps a dragon, and what looks to be an old rendition of a balrog. As far as Carcaroth, looks like a regular wolf. [ March 07, 2002: Message edited by: Mhoram ]

03-07-2002, 07:56 AM	#5
Mhoram Dead and Loving It Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: The land of fast cars and loud guitars. Posts: 361

03-07-2002, 09:01 PM	#9
Mhoram Dead and Loving It Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: The land of fast cars and loud guitars. Posts: 361	Could be under the hood, and the artist might not have known that fact. shrugs

03-08-2002, 10:30 AM	#11
Mhoram Dead and Loving It Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: The land of fast cars and loud guitars. Posts: 361	yes

03-08-2002, 10:54 AM	#12
Imperica Animated Skeleton Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 35	In my opinion, the hooded figure seated is Sauron. And I always thought the crowned figure was Morgoth.

03-09-2002, 05:55 AM	#13
Thalionyulma Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: across the sea Posts: 295	I thought Huan would look like a great hunting dog... [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] Now I want to get a picture of both Huan and carcaroth to compare....

03-09-2002, 07:53 PM	#14
obloquy Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: WA Posts: 939	What a horrible cover image, though. I'd like to know who that tattooed man is, and what the snake has to do with anything. The new edition of Unfinished Tales has much better cover art.

06-23-2007, 12:47 PM	#15
Alfirin Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 435	Don't think I've ever seen a picture of Carcaroth either but there would be three things to consider 1. Caracroth its described as the "Greatest of Wolves" and in Tolkein terms this probably means he is ENORMOUS. Add on that almost all of the beasts in the First age were much much bigger that in the third (who in turn were much bigger than in the first.) For example Thorondor the Lord of the Eagles in the first age (the one who scarred Ancalgon) is supposed to have a wingspand of thirty fathoms i.e. 180 feet. I therfore think it likey that Carcaroth could easily be the size of a medium horse or even a small elephant (I mean a modern elephant not a Mumakul) I admit however that making him so large would be the question of why her merely bit Beren's hand off instead of swallowing him whole. 2. Since Caracroth proably is based (at least loosely) on Fenrir the wolf from Norse mythology an illistration from that would pobably give one a clue as to what Tolkein envisioned. 3. There may actually be Illustrations of Carcaroth (in a roundabout way) in "The Return of the King." Just as the battering ram used against Minas Tirith is named "Grond" after Melkor's great black mace. I have alaways though that it head described as being shaped "in the likeness of a ravening wolf" is meant to be an image of Carcaroth. Some support for this may be in the fact that a ravening wolf usually means one with it's jaws wide open. Carcaroth's alternate name (after he devours the Silmaril) is Anfauglir which is usally translated as "The Jaws of Thirst." However it is interesting to note that the two Sindar root worlds of the name could also be transalted as "The Jaws which Gape"

06-25-2007, 10:57 PM	#16
Hyarion Pile O'Bones Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16	Now that was an old bump, over 5 years Here's a couple images of Carcharoth, I'll try and find some more: http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Categ..._of_Carcharoth

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