The Future Of Middle Earth - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Naldoriathil · 02-06-2003, 02:38 PM

I was just wondering what your thoughts were on what happens after The Return of the King appendices finish? For example people like Goldilocks and Faramir (Pippin's Son)I think! Would you like to offer any views to the other members about what you think happened to all the memorable characters in the book at end, but hardly ever mentioned? Just a thought, could be quite an interesting subject to talk about....

Estelyn Telcontar · 02-06-2003, 04:17 PM

This is an opinion topic, not a Books discussion, since we can only speculate. Therefore it has been moved to the Novices and Newcomers forum.

Inderjit Sanghera · 02-08-2003, 02:29 PM

All the mortals, including Frodo, Sam, Bilbo, Arwen and Gimli would have died, whilst the Elves would've passed west or faded.

Rumil · 02-08-2003, 08:04 PM

In the HoME series there's a rejected final chapter to Lord of the Rings where Sam reads the Red Book to his children and they meet Aragorn at the border of the Shire.

In LoTR it mentions that Eomer and Aragorn were victorious in battle n many foreign fields.

Tolkien also started to write a book based a few generations after Aragorn's time in which evil was returning to Gondor, but gave it up because he thought it would be no better than an ordinary thriller. This is in HoME 12(I think)

Inderjit Sanghera · 02-09-2003, 06:30 AM

yes-'The new shadow' a story set in the Fourth age, is in HoME 12.

Tenduriel · 02-09-2003, 02:05 PM

ehm, stupid question: what is HoME? [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Rumil · 02-10-2003, 03:15 PM

Not a silly question!!

HoME is the History of Middle Earth Series written by Christopher Tolkien (and available in all good bookshops!).

It deals with the history of how the Middle Earth stories were written, so contains a lot of interesting unpublished material early versions and rejected ideas. Essential only if you're a real Tolkien addict, the thing to move onto after the Silmarillion and Unfinished Tales.

Tate Aisling · 02-13-2003, 10:28 PM

Wait, didn't Frodo, Sam, Merry, and Pippin eventually go with Gandalf and some of the other elves to the Undying Land? That's what my sister told me...but she hasn't read the books in like ten years. =^.^=;;

Beren87 · 02-14-2003, 12:31 AM

No, Merry and Pippin didn't.

Nice siggy by the way.

Tate Aisling · 02-17-2003, 10:14 PM

Oh, Merry and Pippin didn't go to the Undying Land? Ah, thankies for clearing that up for me. =^.^=

Thanks for the compliment. My friends at my own site help me think of it though. =^.^=

Manwe Sulimo · 02-18-2003, 03:14 AM

Ah, a very good question.

1) All the elves left.
2) Dwarves bred into the human race; hence modern-day "little people."
3) Something happens which makes men stupid and scattered about Earth.
4) Eventually, new civilizations rise.
5) We are born.

All that took about 9000 years. We are now in the Seventh Age.

Oh yeah....hobbits are still around in Britain, but they're all hiding. Waiting for the revolution or something....

Faenaduial · 02-18-2003, 03:56 AM

I know everyone keeps insisting that all the elves left ME. But isn't it possible that since some had never left ME to go to Valinor and some never completed the great journey, they flet tied to ME and never tired of it. I like to think that some of the silvan elves remained as did the hobbits and dwarves. [img]null[/img]

engwaalphiel · 02-18-2003, 04:18 AM

Tate Aisling - It says in the Appendices that Merry and Pippin were laid to rest beside Aragorn at their death . If that helps!
[img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Inderjit Sanghera · 02-19-2003, 07:23 AM

All Elves didn't leave M-E. Some of the Avari and Silvan Elves remained and faded.

02-06-2003, 02:38 PM	#1
Naldoriathil Haunting Spirit Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: London Posts: 71	The Future Of Middle Earth I was just wondering what your thoughts were on what happens after The Return of the King appendices finish? For example people like Goldilocks and Faramir (Pippin's Son)I think! Would you like to offer any views to the other members about what you think happened to all the memorable characters in the book at end, but hardly ever mentioned? Just a thought, could be quite an interesting subject to talk about.... __________________ "He is Aragorn, Son of Arathorn, Heir to the Throne of Gondor!"

02-06-2003, 04:17 PM	#2
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	This is an opinion topic, not a Books discussion, since we can only speculate. Therefore it has been moved to the Novices and Newcomers forum. __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

02-08-2003, 02:29 PM	#3
Inderjit Sanghera Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 716	All the mortals, including Frodo, Sam, Bilbo, Arwen and Gimli would have died, whilst the Elves would've passed west or faded. __________________ “If I’m more of an influence on your son as a rapper then you are as a father then you've got to look at yourself as a parent” ~>Ice Cube. "Life is so beautiful"->Don Vito Corleone

02-08-2003, 08:04 PM	#4
Rumil Sage & Onions Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Britain Posts: 894	In the HoME series there's a rejected final chapter to Lord of the Rings where Sam reads the Red Book to his children and they meet Aragorn at the border of the Shire. In LoTR it mentions that Eomer and Aragorn were victorious in battle n many foreign fields. Tolkien also started to write a book based a few generations after Aragorn's time in which evil was returning to Gondor, but gave it up because he thought it would be no better than an ordinary thriller. This is in HoME 12(I think) __________________ Rumil of Coedhirion

02-09-2003, 06:30 AM	#5
Inderjit Sanghera Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 716	yes-'The new shadow' a story set in the Fourth age, is in HoME 12. __________________ “If I’m more of an influence on your son as a rapper then you are as a father then you've got to look at yourself as a parent” ~>Ice Cube. "Life is so beautiful"->Don Vito Corleone

02-09-2003, 02:05 PM	#6
Tenduriel Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Erreseä (temporary stay: Belgium) Posts: 37	ehm, stupid question: what is HoME? [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] __________________ navaer! 5r#`C6R (Goodbye) O mór henion i dhû - Ely siriar, êl síla - Ai! Aniron Undómiel - Tiro! Êl eria e môr. - I 'lîr en êl luitha 'uren. - Ai! Aniron

02-10-2003, 03:15 PM	#7
Rumil Sage & Onions Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Britain Posts: 894	Not a silly question!! HoME is the History of Middle Earth Series written by Christopher Tolkien (and available in all good bookshops!). It deals with the history of how the Middle Earth stories were written, so contains a lot of interesting unpublished material early versions and rejected ideas. Essential only if you're a real Tolkien addict, the thing to move onto after the Silmarillion and Unfinished Tales. __________________ Rumil of Coedhirion

02-13-2003, 10:28 PM	#8
Tate Aisling Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 11	Wait, didn't Frodo, Sam, Merry, and Pippin eventually go with Gandalf and some of the other elves to the Undying Land? That's what my sister told me...but she hasn't read the books in like ten years. =^.^=;;

02-14-2003, 12:31 AM	#9
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,241	No, Merry and Pippin didn't. Nice siggy by the way.

02-17-2003, 10:14 PM	#10
Tate Aisling Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 11	Oh, Merry and Pippin didn't go to the Undying Land? Ah, thankies for clearing that up for me. =^.^= Thanks for the compliment. My friends at my own site help me think of it though. =^.^=

02-18-2003, 03:14 AM	#11
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	Ah, a very good question. 1) All the elves left. 2) Dwarves bred into the human race; hence modern-day "little people." 3) Something happens which makes men stupid and scattered about Earth. 4) Eventually, new civilizations rise. 5) We are born. All that took about 9000 years. We are now in the Seventh Age. Oh yeah....hobbits are still around in Britain, but they're all hiding. Waiting for the revolution or something.... __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."

02-18-2003, 03:56 AM	#12
Faenaduial Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Mirkwood - 710 miles WtR Posts: 246	I know everyone keeps insisting that all the elves left ME. But isn't it possible that since some had never left ME to go to Valinor and some never completed the great journey, they flet tied to ME and never tired of it. I like to think that some of the silvan elves remained as did the hobbits and dwarves. [img]null[/img] __________________ Risk everything, or gain nothing. -- Geoffrey De Charny, 1358 Don't cry because it's over; smile because it happened.

02-18-2003, 04:18 AM	#13
engwaalphiel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The edge of nowhere Posts: 89	Tate Aisling - It says in the Appendices that Merry and Pippin were laid to rest beside Aragorn at their death . If that helps! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Estel............. Some have it more than others. "Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë!

02-19-2003, 07:23 AM	#14
Inderjit Sanghera Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 716	All Elves didn't leave M-E. Some of the Avari and Silvan Elves remained and faded. __________________ “If I’m more of an influence on your son as a rapper then you are as a father then you've got to look at yourself as a parent” ~>Ice Cube. "Life is so beautiful"->Don Vito Corleone

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