The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum


Visit The *EVEN NEWER* Barrow-Downs Photo Page

Go Back   The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum > Middle-Earth Discussions > The Movies
User Name
Password
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-20-2003, 11:40 AM   #41
Meela
Denethor's True Love
 
Meela's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... *swoon*
Posts: 2,049
Meela has just left Hobbiton.
Sting

i totally understand, eowyn does make you want to cry and laugh with her<BR>but i did cry with arwen in a way... actually i cried at the same time as her, not for her... in those futuristic scenes when shes crying cos aragorn's dead<P>but i dont feel sorry for her
__________________
'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age?
2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.
Meela is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2003, 11:56 AM   #42
Manwe Sulimo
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor
Posts: 553
Manwe Sulimo has just left Hobbiton.
Send a message via AIM to Manwe Sulimo
Sting

<A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=001373" TARGET=_blank>What about Galadriel?</A><P>I'm so vain
__________________
"Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."
Manwe Sulimo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2003, 11:57 AM   #43
Faenaduial
Wight
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Mirkwood - 710 miles WtR
Posts: 246
Faenaduial has just left Hobbiton.
Silmaril

I don't view Eowyn as a strong woman. She has looked to men to take her out of the situation she is unhappy in. She thinks she is in love with Aragorn and then she is in love enough with Faramir to marry him. I think it is a means to an end for her.<P>I believe Arwen is both stronger and more beautiful. She has had the strength to trust to her beliefs and hopes and stay true.<P>Sure Eowyn goes to battle, but does she do so out of strength or because she is giving in to her fears?
__________________
Risk everything, or gain nothing. -- Geoffrey De Charny, 1358
Don't cry because it's over; smile because it happened.
Faenaduial is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2003, 04:12 PM   #44
Scott
Wight
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Ohio/Grey Havens
Posts: 183
Scott has just left Hobbiton.
Send a message via AIM to Scott
Tolkien

I personally think that hands down Arwen is the more beautiful. After all, she's the reincarnation of Luthien Tinuviel. Sure, Eowyn is lovely too, but Aragorn choses Arwen over her for a reason.
__________________
Those who the Gods would destroy, They first make mad.
~Those Crazy Greeks
Scott is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2003, 01:49 PM   #45
LordValburg
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Shield

Eowyn, definitely.<BR>How could you not admire a woman who stands up to defend her uncle's body against the Witch King of Angmar on a fell beast, which she decapitates! Also she is the queen of Ilithien(sp?) which is the pearl of Gondor. When does arwen fight? Never, she's daddy's little princess who hides in a mansion. She doesn't put her life infront of the greastest foe of the Third Age. Her character is very strong and determined
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2003, 04:46 PM   #46
greyhavener
Wight
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: austin
Posts: 169
greyhavener has just left Hobbiton.
Silmaril

This reminds me of the discussion in the books between Gimli and Aragorn about who was more beautiful Galadriel or Arwen. I think Aragorn said something like "You have chosen the morning and I the night."<P>Both are beautiful and played their parts well.
__________________
Do justly, love mercy, walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
greyhavener is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2003, 05:18 PM   #47
Silmarien
Wight
 
Silmarien's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Lost but Found
Posts: 199
Silmarien has just left Hobbiton.
Shield

EOWYN!!!<P>Sorry I'm probably very biased I mean she is my favourite character. But in her defence against some attacks. Her world was shrinking her uncle (kinda her father since her own one is dead) is being tricked into dotage by his advisor who also has a worrying fascination for her. In Aragorn she sees someone who she greatly admires I mean who doesn't and yes probably ALSO someone to rescue her from her shrinking world. But she does love Faramir her heart is turned to him and he melts her heart. Remember how Aragorn descibes her as a lily whose sap has been turned to frost? <P>That's probably a bit off the topic but I just felt she needed some defence.<P>And greyhavener it's Gimli and Eomer who have the argument but a very good point.
__________________
Though here at journeys end I lie in dakness buried deep, beyond all towers strong and high beyond all mountains steep, above all shadows rides the Sun and Stars forever dwell:I will not say the Day is done nor bid the Stars farewell!
Silmarien is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2003, 09:36 PM   #48
Himaran
Ash of Orodruin
 
Himaran's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Thangorodrim
Posts: 777
Himaran has just left Hobbiton.
Send a message via AIM to Himaran
Sting

EOWYN!!!!!! Not just in form but in spirit; Arwen can't even stand up[ to her daddy, and shes much, much older! <P>Himaran
Himaran is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2003, 09:40 PM   #49
Scott
Wight
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Ohio/Grey Havens
Posts: 183
Scott has just left Hobbiton.
Send a message via AIM to Scott
Tolkien

I'm sorry, but no mere horse-maiden can stand up to the reimbodiment of Luthien. Arwen the Evenstar wins by a mile-wide margin.
__________________
Those who the Gods would destroy, They first make mad.
~Those Crazy Greeks
Scott is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2003, 09:51 PM   #50
Elotareth
Animated Skeleton
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Rivendell
Posts: 34
Elotareth has just left Hobbiton.
Sting

I think Eowyn is a strong woman, but she has a lot of naivete and often acts very impulsively. She has a beautiful free spirit. Arwen on the other hand is so old that she has much more wisdom. In that sense, I believe she is justified in being involved in less action. She is content to watch from a distance and does her part by inspiring Aragorn to continue on his quest. In her, he finds the courage that he previously lacked. <BR>Physically, they are both very beautiful, but I (as a female) appreciate the Elvish style of beauty.
__________________
"And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."
Matthew 28:20
"Renewed shall be blade that was broken, the crownless again shall be king"
Elotareth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2003, 11:01 AM   #51
Lily Bracegirdle
Wight
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Bree
Posts: 210
Lily Bracegirdle has just left Hobbiton.
Shield

Arwen is more physically perfect, but Eowyn is more appealing, and therefore more attractive in my book.<P>Plus, I could never respect Arwen after reading Appendix A. She made this great romantic sacrifice and then spoiled it at the end by whining.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> ...and then all left him save Arwen, and she stood alone by his bed. And for all her wisdom and lineage she could not forbear to plead with him to stay yet awhile. She was not yet weary of her days, and thus she tasted the bitterness of the mortality that she had taken upon her. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>-Lily
__________________
"But nay: the praise of the praiseworthy is above all rewards." - Faramir
Lily Bracegirdle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2003, 12:02 PM   #52
mark12_30
Stormdancer of Doom
 
mark12_30's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars
Posts: 4,349
mark12_30 has been trapped in the Barrow!
Send a message via AIM to mark12_30 Send a message via Yahoo to mark12_30
Sting

I really don't think she was whining. I think Aragorn's decision to intentionally lay down his life "early" took her by surprise. As a Numenorean, he had the right to do so; but why should he? He was leaving her while he "still had some good years left". I don't think she grasped his reasons why he was leaving at that time (I'm not sure I do, either). As I understand it: he was leaving so his son could ascend the throne because he was ready, and Aragorn simply felt that it was his time to die well before he entered dotage. <P>But-- still, I can almost hear Arwen thinking, why? Why now? Why not spend more time with me? After what I sacrificed for you, can't you stay for me a little longer?<P>As to who is more beautiful: Eowyn was, Fair, fair and cold, like a morning of pale spring still touched by winter's chill. Arwen was the Evenstar, that moved Frodo to say, Even the night shall be blessed, and all it's fear removed. <P>As stated above, it depends on whether you prefer morning or evening. Some appreciate both.<P>In terms of "lying around dreaming about Aragorn"--no, that's called Osanwe, and it's a powerful tool, not romantic daydreaming. It is the same "watching" that Galadriel and Elrond use; the same that Gandalf uses, that enabled him to speak to Frodo's mind atop Amon Hen. Tolkien describes it carefully. Arwen is no less a force in the war (because she fights with her mind) than Galadriel is (who also fights with her mind.)<P>You can see Aragorn occasionally using Osanwe also; but Tolkien clearly states that Arwen and Galadriel watch from afar.<p>[ April 02, 2003: Message edited by: mark12_30 ]
__________________
...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.
mark12_30 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2003, 04:02 PM   #53
OddEvenstar
Pile O'Bones
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 15
OddEvenstar has just left Hobbiton.
Send a message via AIM to OddEvenstar
Shield

This is a total toss-up for me. Both Eowyn and Arwen are magnificent women, but for now I'm slightly leaning toward Eowyn, the Shield Maiden of Rohan. What can I say? She can fight for herself, she defends the glory of Rohan, and she is still graceful and fair. I can still see where one could side with Arwen, though, as she is, well, she's an Elf-maiden, and in direct descent from Luthien herself. To me, she emanates the power to heal, of her many gifts. Plus, it was Aragorn who finally fell for <i>her</i> . If we're talking aesthetic beauty, I'll vote for Arwen. But for beauty in strength, honor, and determination, Eowyn is your woman.
__________________
*The hands of a king are the hands of a healer, and so shall the rightful king be known.*
OddEvenstar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2003, 11:58 AM   #54
The Evenstar
Wight
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Rivendell
Posts: 103
The Evenstar has just left Hobbiton.
Silmaril

They're both beautiful, in their own ways since they are differnet races. Arwen has that gentle, feminine beauty and Eowyn has thar wild, tomboyish look. But on the whole, they're both pretty.
__________________
"The love of the Elves for their land and their works is deeper than the deeps of the sea." - Galadriel
The Evenstar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2003, 01:08 PM   #55
GaladrieloftheOlden
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Massachusetts - digging up a bottomless hole, searching for something that's not there...
Posts: 1,514
GaladrieloftheOlden has just left Hobbiton.
Send a message via AIM to GaladrieloftheOlden Send a message via MSN to GaladrieloftheOlden Send a message via Yahoo to GaladrieloftheOlden
Pipe

I think that Miranda Otoo is pretty. But I'd much rather look like Liv Tyler myself.
__________________
"Glue... very powerful stuff."
GaladrieloftheOlden is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2003, 09:23 PM   #56
Elotareth
Animated Skeleton
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Rivendell
Posts: 34
Elotareth has just left Hobbiton.
Sting

A have a friend who looks so much like Liv Tyler, but acts a whole lot more like Eowyn. Its remarkable the similarities between her and both of the characters! Even though I like Arwen a bit better, (I'm even doubting that statement as I type it), I think they are both amazing women.<BR>Oh, and where do you read about Osanwe?
__________________
"And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."
Matthew 28:20
"Renewed shall be blade that was broken, the crownless again shall be king"
Elotareth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2003, 02:41 PM   #57
Galadriel9
Haunting Spirit
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: UK
Posts: 62
Galadriel9 has just left Hobbiton.
Sting

Hi everyone, I have to say, I agree with your post from ages ago, Goldberry, I liked Arwen best in the book, even though she doesn't appear much, coz obviously an elf and she's meant to look like Tinuviel isn't she? I mean you can't really beat that, can you? But, in the TTT movie, I definately thought Eowyn was the best, the fact that she DID more made her more beautiful, she did what she felt was right and she was way stronger in the movie. Arwen, all due respect to her and stuff, just didn't DO anything in TTT except sit around looking tearful, that was a bit of a disappointment after the stunning performance in FotR,so...Eowyn all the way, I think. But they are both really pretty, I'd give my right arm to look like EITHER of them!
__________________
Why do they call the small candy bars the "fun sizes"? Wouldn't be more fun to eat a big one?
Galadriel9 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2003, 05:54 PM   #58
merenwen
Animated Skeleton
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: in my happy place!
Posts: 47
merenwen has just left Hobbiton.
Sting

personally i think arwen is more beautiful but i think eowyn is gonna kick butt in rotk
__________________
" you are a total... total... a word has yet to be invented to describe how totally whatever it is you are, but you are one, and a total, total one at that!"
merenwen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2003, 06:17 PM   #59
Luthien_ Tinuviel
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
 
Luthien_ Tinuviel's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: A very lovely tree-hut in the Chunnel.
Posts: 804
Luthien_ Tinuviel has just left Hobbiton.
Send a message via AIM to Luthien_ Tinuviel Send a message via MSN to Luthien_ Tinuviel
Sting

Both of the actresses are beautiful. Once somebody told me that I look like Liv Tyler... that made my day. And my best friend thinks I look like her younger sister. I think in the books Arwen is supposed to be more beautiful, her being an elf and looking like Luthien and all, but I prefer Eowyn's character. I mean, she killed the Witch King! That is cool!
__________________
I am a nineteen-year-old nomad photographer who owns a lemonade stand.

You know what? I love Mip.
Luthien_ Tinuviel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2003, 02:32 AM   #60
GlingleglingleglingleFairy
Animated Skeleton
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 35
GlingleglingleglingleFairy has just left Hobbiton.
Sting

I go for Eowyn all the way, Arwen's so annoying, she's so incredibly perfect but in an arrogant, superior way. Honestly, you can't compare killing the lord of the Nazgul to sitting at home. (knitting?) I know Arwen dies for Aragorn, but that doesn't make her beautiful, just loyal and in love.
__________________
"Many that live deserve death, and some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement, even the very wisest cannot forsee all ends."

Some people prefer cupcakes. I for one care less for them.
GlingleglingleglingleFairy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2003, 06:43 AM   #61
Mordor_Queen
Haunting Spirit
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Mordor
Posts: 53
Mordor_Queen has just left Hobbiton.
The Eye

probaly miranda otto because have you seen liv tyler at the premieres? she wears so much make up!
__________________
"In place of a Dark Lord you shall have a Queen! Not Dark but beatiful! All shall love me and despair!"-Galadriel
Mordor_Queen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2003, 07:08 PM   #62
GaladrieloftheOlden
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Massachusetts - digging up a bottomless hole, searching for something that's not there...
Posts: 1,514
GaladrieloftheOlden has just left Hobbiton.
Send a message via AIM to GaladrieloftheOlden Send a message via MSN to GaladrieloftheOlden Send a message via Yahoo to GaladrieloftheOlden
Pipe

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> A have a friend who looks so much like Liv Tyler, but acts a whole lot more like Eowyn. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> That's funny- a few people have said I look slightly like Liv, but looking into a mirror I can't find a trace of her *sigh*, but if I were to choose which one I act more like, I'd certainly say Eowyn.
__________________
"Glue... very powerful stuff."
GaladrieloftheOlden is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2003, 08:36 PM   #63
Nehani
Haunting Spirit
 
Nehani's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Mirkwood (or something like it)
Posts: 80
Nehani has just left Hobbiton.
Send a message via AIM to Nehani
Tolkien

I must say the Arwen has my vote. Liv Tyler played the role very well, and Miranda Otto did this thing when Aragron blocked her sword when she was "having fun with it" as my friend says. The effect on us was that Miranda went "bug-eyed".
__________________
"Been A Long Road To Follow, Been There And Gone Tomorrow Without Saying Goodbye To Yesterday..."

"The Way Is Closed. It Was Made By Those Who are Dead. The Way is Closed."
Nehani is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2003, 09:51 AM   #64
Novlamothien
Haunting Spirit
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: A white, wintry wonderland-in the South!!
Posts: 75
Novlamothien has just left Hobbiton.
Sting

Eowyn, for the same reasons everyone else has. I do like Arwen, just not in the movies.<P>Namarie
__________________
"He said if I had the cheek to make verses about Earendil in the house of Elrond that was my affair."
~Bilbo~
Novlamothien is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2003, 10:43 AM   #65
The Only Real Estel
Raffish Rapscallion
 
The Only Real Estel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-(
Posts: 2,835
The Only Real Estel has just left Hobbiton.
Pipe

Neither. I presonally didn't like either all THAT well. If I had to pick I'd say Eowyn I think. Although sometimes she looks better than other times.
The Only Real Estel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2003, 01:26 PM   #66
Arwen Eruantale
Shade of Carn Dûm
 
Arwen Eruantale's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: My Field of Paper Flowers
Posts: 282
Arwen Eruantale has just left Hobbiton.
Send a message via Yahoo to Arwen Eruantale
Sting

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>... Arwen is the more beautiful. After all, she's the reincarnation of Luthien Tinuviel. Sure, Eowyn is lovely too, but Aragorn choses Arwen over her for a reason.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Yes. I certainly agree. <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>"You have chosen the morning and I the night."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I love that line. Aragorn has always been my biased favourite. And I usually like a good quote about the night. My family makes fun of me because I am a major night owl. <P>Does anyone remember that the real reason Eowyn loved Aragorn was because of the honor and the glory that he had? Personally, although I do like her, that sort of ruined something that should have been purer in her character, for me. Arwen gave herself completely to and for Aragorn no matter what happened. That is why, I think, I like her better.<p>[ July 27, 2003: Message edited by: Arwen Eruantale ]
__________________
And he became somewhat grim to look upon, unless he chanced to smile...

Will you pay attention?
Arwen Eruantale is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:00 AM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.