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07-27-2003, 08:18 PM | #1 |
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How did Faramir know?
I have been wondering about this for so long, ever since I finished reading RotK. How did Faramir know that Aragorn is the King after he was healed by him? They haven't seen each other before that happened, and I can't think of a possible reason why he easily recognized Aragorn as the king and called him so. Any explanations?
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07-27-2003, 08:23 PM | #2 |
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Maybe it was because he did heal him and maybe Faramir knew that the heir of Isildur had healing powers. Maybe it was also because of his very kingly personality.
I do think that Faramir and Aragorn had met though, before the whole War of the Ring thing (though I could be terribly mistaken)
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07-27-2003, 08:34 PM | #3 |
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Oh, yes. Faramir has seen Aragorn, but he was very young then, and Aragorn was known as Thorongil.
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07-28-2003, 09:22 AM | #4 |
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When Faramir was healed he probably had quite a good idea of the horrors he had just been through. He would have guessed that only the King could have brought him back from what he had experienced.
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07-28-2003, 10:45 AM | #6 |
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Also, Faramir probably had tidings of Aragorn, from hints dropped by Frodo and Sam in Ithilien and because of the news of Boromir's death after his trip to Imladris, etc.
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I think the healing combined with an innate sense of just "knowing" was what tipped him off.
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07-28-2003, 03:11 PM | #8 |
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It's almost impossible to find a plot hole in Tolkien, but this sure seems like one. The explanations given above aren't very compelling.
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07-28-2003, 08:05 PM | #11 |
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"The Hands of a healer are the hands of a king, thus spoke Ioref-wisewoman of the city" Faramir would of known that only the king could of recalled him from the black breath
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07-29-2003, 12:00 AM | #12 |
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I agree with Morgoth the Great. That quote i remember from the book. The hands of the Healer thing should have been quite a large hint that Aragorn was King. Being son of Denethor, he would definately know about this.
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07-29-2003, 12:09 AM | #13 |
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In addition to the above reasons [excepting Faramir and thorondil meeting [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] ] I would only add that Aragorn would obviously appear as Dunedain nobility, and if I recall wearing the Star of Elendil as a clasp.
So how many Dundeain nobles in Gondor did faramir not know?
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07-29-2003, 02:00 AM | #14 |
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We must take into account that aragorn healed not only with his body, but with his mind. He gives us this impression when he talks to the people he had cured; "i called long for you." (please excuse rough quotes) " i searched for you and pulled you from the darkness".
When he was 'calling' to faramir, i always imagined him saying something along the lines of; "Faramir, come back to the light. I am Elessar, your king, and i command it." (perhaps not exactly like that but it's hard to explain nes pas?) This is not a plot hole, but allows use of the readers imagination. If you look at it purely on what was said and done, there is enough to spur your imagination, yet (as someone said above, but i heartily disagree) not enough to just use the facts. Even without using my imagination i am convinced. Osse
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08-02-2003, 01:32 AM | #15 |
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Wow, Osse, I haven't thought of it that way. I am not sure if it happened that way but there is a possibility.
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08-02-2003, 06:28 PM | #16 |
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Boromir claimed to 'see Frodo's mind', so perhaps Faramir could see Aragorn's.
On a more serious note, as was aforementioned, Ioreth's quippings were probably well known. Add that to his knowledge given by Frodo, his ability to see people's minds and intentions (handed down by his dear old pyromaniac dad), and the fact that Aragorn had somehow managed to pull him from the jaws of death, I'd say that there was a good chance that Faramir could put 27 and 34 together and come up with 61. (I refrain from 2+2 because it was slightly more complicated than that.) Or it was just the sort of thing that you 'know'. Fea
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