Copncerning the Ent Moot..... - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Gashberz · 02-02-2004, 10:01 PM

Hey all, my friend told me something about the ent moot was actually supposed to be called ent meet, but it was screwed up in some publishing things of the books, and Proffeser Tolien decided not to change it cause he liked ent moot better. Is this true?

Gashberz · 02-02-2004, 10:02 PM

whoops sorry its Tolkien!! (damn my infernal fat fingers!!!)

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Finwe · 02-02-2004, 10:04 PM

Umm... could you somehow back that up with a quote or something? I'd find it hard to believe that the company would make that much of a mistake, while editing the books. If they had, Tolkien would have written about it probably somewhere in his Letters.

Althern · 02-03-2004, 02:04 AM

Moot has a number of meanings related to the discussion of ideas. First, as a noun, it has an archaic English (i.e. used in England) definition as a rural meeting. Then more currently, as an adjective, a sense to describe a point that is open to argument, e.g. this point is moot, and another to indicate that a point has no practical significance. Finally, moot can be used as a verb in both senses to bring a question into discussion or consign it to being of no further worth discussing. Then of course, there is the moot court, used in law schools as a fictitious institution in which to argue hypothetical or moot cases.

Therefore, moot is the obvious choice to describe a meeting of Ents, who more than anything, love to spend large amounts of time considering an issue from all directions, and I am sure that Tolkien used the word intentionally.

Kransha · 02-03-2004, 07:25 AM

Moot is the word he meant to use. It actually means something very similar to the idea of an "Ent Meet" as you called it. This particular use of the word moot stopped being used decades ago, but existed for the time of Tolkein. Since the story of LotR is archaic, it makes sense to use this word.

One of the definitions of moot is...

Quote:

Moot - An archaic term used to describe a debate or duscussion of events, to come to a decision in a set amount of time; similar to a committee, meeting, council

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02-02-2004, 10:01 PM	#1
Gashberz Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: San Diego, U.S.A Posts: 57	Copncerning the Ent Moot..... Hey all, my friend told me something about the ent moot was actually supposed to be called ent meet, but it was screwed up in some publishing things of the books, and Proffeser Tolien decided not to change it cause he liked ent moot better. Is this true? __________________ "We are the fighting Uruk-hai! We slew the great warrior. We took the prisoners. We are the servants of Saruman the Wise, the White Hand: the Hand that gives us man´s flesh to eat!" -Uglúk

02-02-2004, 10:02 PM	#2
Gashberz Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: San Diego, U.S.A Posts: 57	whoops sorry its Tolkien!! (damn my infernal fat fingers!!!) (Moderator's note - You can edit your own post; that's better than adding a new one. Just click on the edit button above the post, change the word(s) in the box (you can correct the title at the same time), then click on "Edit Post". When you've done that, you can delete this one - "edit" button again, check "Delete Post" box at top left, then "Edit Post" at the bottom.) <font size=1 color=339966>[ 9:17 AM February 03, 2004: Message edited by: Estelyn Telcontar ] __________________ "We are the fighting Uruk-hai! We slew the great warrior. We took the prisoners. We are the servants of Saruman the Wise, the White Hand: the Hand that gives us man´s flesh to eat!" -Uglúk

02-02-2004, 10:04 PM	#3
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Umm... could you somehow back that up with a quote or something? I'd find it hard to believe that the company would make that much of a mistake, while editing the books. If they had, Tolkien would have written about it probably somewhere in his Letters. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

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02-03-2004, 02:04 AM	#4
Althern Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: A twin city divided by a great river... must be Osgiliath Posts: 50	Moot has a number of meanings related to the discussion of ideas. First, as a noun, it has an archaic English (i.e. used in England) definition as a rural meeting. Then more currently, as an adjective, a sense to describe a point that is open to argument, e.g. this point is moot, and another to indicate that a point has no practical significance. Finally, moot can be used as a verb in both senses to bring a question into discussion or consign it to being of no further worth discussing. Then of course, there is the moot court, used in law schools as a fictitious institution in which to argue hypothetical or moot cases. Therefore, moot is the obvious choice to describe a meeting of Ents, who more than anything, love to spend large amounts of time considering an issue from all directions, and I am sure that Tolkien used the word intentionally.