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12-01-2003, 10:25 PM | #1 |
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The children of Elrond and their choice?
In the Return of the King appendices (which, by the way, are an EXCELLENT introduction to the massive histories of Middle-Earth without/before reading The Silmarillion), in Appendix A, The Númenorian Kings, the book states that the Valar gave Elrond and Elros the choice to be mortal or immortal. Of course, we know who chose what. But then it goes on to state that the Children of Elrond were given a choice also to remain and become mortal and die in Middle-Earth, or to go with him from the circles of the world. Is there no third option? Was it either stay and die, or go and live?
I guess this also brings to mind the question of the future; what finally happens after Aragorn’s death? The books very clearly indicate that Men were coming into power the most on the earth. Does this mean that all the Elves left Middle-Earth, eventually? What about dwarves and hobbits? They aren’t “Men” per se, do they diminish too? What happens after the events of the War of the Ring?
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12-02-2003, 01:15 AM | #2 | |
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As for your second question, I was directed to this site some time back. The New Shadow It contains scanned pages of a proposed sequel to the LOTR, called "The New Shadow," set in Gondor 105 years after the War of the Ring. Interesting, short and I can see why he did not have the heart to continue it, as it concerns the ever-present tendency of Men to become quickly sated with Good. As for Hobbits, I thought they were still around today, just very well hidden! I saw one in a W.C. Fields movie this evening as a matter of fact! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] Cheers, Lyta
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12-02-2003, 01:49 AM | #3 |
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Hobbits are men and eventually blended in. Dwarves died out due to obvious reasons - restricted living quarters, lack of females, etc.
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12-02-2003, 02:30 PM | #4 |
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Dwarves never were the most populous race in ME, so they probably still survived even after the men became dominant. In fact, since there was no love between elves and dwarves, they were not allowed to flourish. When men took over, they would probably have more ways to progress their race.
As for the Eldar. They slowly diminished until all that would go had already gone into the West. Their were still elves in ME, maybe not many of the Noldor race, but at least some 'dark' elves. They would have known nothing of the ships going West. And we know that Arwen stays. The hobbits stay in the Shire, and eventually become unnoticed... again.
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12-02-2003, 02:33 PM | #5 |
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I think that all the Elves save for a few of the deeply entrenched Silvan Elves eventually left Middle-earth. Even then, I think that all the non-Man races eventually left or died out. Men have this habit of encroaching upon others' lands, and I think that is what eventually happened in Middle-earth. The Elves either died out, sailed West, or "became a rustic folk of dell and meadow..." as Galadriel said.
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In the Prologue to the Lord of the Rings, it is implied that Hobbits are still around, but very well hidden (as Lyta has said) [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]
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And about Elladan and Elrohir, we know that they stayed with Celeborn in Middle-Earth after Elrond's departure to the Undying Lands. About Celeborn it is said that he sailed to the Undying Lands and that: Quote:
What makes me think that they finally sailed to the Undying Lands is this sentence that Tolkien wrote in one of his Letters: Quote:
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