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Hans Markus Rod · 05-27-2003, 03:01 PM

The numenoreans were great mariners, and they ventured to the far south, several hundred miles further south than the Havens of Umbar, but what i wonder is this; Is it possible that the Numenoreans rounded the cape of Ormal, where once the great lamp of the south was located and explored the eastern coasts of Middle-earth. Has Tolkien stated it somewhere? I find it very interesting, and the question has bothered my brain a while now.

Finwe · 05-27-2003, 03:38 PM

When the Blessed Isles were separated from the rest of Middle-earth, The Silmarillion describes that mariners who tried to sail to Aman only rounded the Earth, and came back again.
It is also very likely that some Numenorean mariners sailed around the Cape of Ormal, and created some Black Numenorean settlements in the East and South.

dwarfwarrior · 05-27-2003, 05:28 PM

that makes sense because the easterlings would have payed tribute so the numenoreans would have made settlements.

Finwe · 05-28-2003, 06:24 PM

I think somewhere in the Unfinished Tales or The Lost Road it says that some of the ships that Elendil was commanding after the fall of Numenor were blown completely around Middle-earth (or at least that's what I think it said), so at least one of his ships may have landed there.

Findegil · 05-31-2003, 04:56 AM

In the Akalabêth it is stated that they sail round the south of Middle-Earth:

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Thus it was that because of the Ban of the Valar the voyages od the Dúnedain in those days went ever eastward and not westward, from darkness of the North to the heats of the South, and beyond the South to the Nether Darkness; and they came even into the inner seas, and sailed about Middle-earth and glipsed from thier high prows the Gates of Morning in the East. ...

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Findegil

05-27-2003, 03:01 PM	#1
Hans Markus Rod Pile O'Bones Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Asker Posts: 23	east coast of Middle earth The numenoreans were great mariners, and they ventured to the far south, several hundred miles further south than the Havens of Umbar, but what i wonder is this; Is it possible that the Numenoreans rounded the cape of Ormal, where once the great lamp of the south was located and explored the eastern coasts of Middle-earth. Has Tolkien stated it somewhere? I find it very interesting, and the question has bothered my brain a while now. __________________ 'In this bloody dawn I will wash my sword, to call the spirit of vengeance, to deny my wisdom for anger, to break the scream of the silent foe and to be the Son of Doom.'

05-27-2003, 03:38 PM	#2
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	When the Blessed Isles were separated from the rest of Middle-earth, The Silmarillion describes that mariners who tried to sail to Aman only rounded the Earth, and came back again. It is also very likely that some Numenorean mariners sailed around the Cape of Ormal, and created some Black Numenorean settlements in the East and South. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

05-28-2003, 06:24 PM	#4
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	I think somewhere in the Unfinished Tales or The Lost Road it says that some of the ships that Elendil was commanding after the fall of Numenor were blown completely around Middle-earth (or at least that's what I think it said), so at least one of his ships may have landed there. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

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05-27-2003, 05:28 PM	#3
dwarfwarrior Pile O'Bones Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 11	that makes sense because the easterlings would have payed tribute so the numenoreans would have made settlements.