Galadriel and the Necromancer - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Gorthaur the Cruel · 07-29-2010, 10:25 PM

I'm not sure if I have the timeline correct, but I'm positive Celeborn and Galadriel only took up rule in Lorinand after the Balrog's awakening in Moria 1981 TA. But 931 years before this, Sauron has already started building Dol Guldor. Sauron flees from Gandalf in 2063 TA but returns with amplified strength to Dol Guldor in 2460 TA, ending the Watchful Peace. It isn't after some 481 years that the White Council finally attacks, though in vain.

Now, Sauron had many years to destroy Lorinand before Celeborn and Galadriel could take rule and protect it. And I know both of them periodically checked Lorinand to strengthen whatever defenses they had, but it still cannot substitute for Celeborn's lordship and Galadriel's protection with Nenya. So with these chances, Sauron's spiritual powers could cross the Anduin and spy out Amroth's pretty little kingdom and unravel its secrets. Not to mention there wasn't any Caras Galadhon at the time, protecting the eastermost part (tongue and the Naith) of Lorien, for Cerin Amroth was situated in the heart of the forest. Sauron's power could've easily touched Lorinand if he wanted. But yet he didn't.

Is it possible that Galadriel has been using some parts of Nenya during her peridoc visits to Lorinand to "fence" the realm, though it was still under the rulership of Amroth? I can't imagine Lorinand staying safe for that long (sans Galadriel) with Sauron right next door without some magical agent aiding Lorinand.

And in addition, Galadriel only became actively involved when Celebrian was tortured by the orcs. The next year, she became aggresive and aided Eorl's host across Anduin. Keep in mind that Sauron has already returned at this time (after the Watchful Peace) with increased strength. There were dark glooms flowing out of Dol Guldor, and I'm sure Sauron sensed Eol's host approaching. Yet the white mists from Galadriel was able to drive back Sauron's darkness? Why is this? Does this mean that in his Necromancer state, Sauron is weaker? Being a maia, he could've easily pushed back Galadriel's enchanted mists and done away with Eorl and his host, but he was overpowered.

And he'd ahve to have known it was Galadriel in there, for the rumors were rampant of the feared Sorceress of the Golden Wood.

Did Sauron need to be physically in Lorien to combat Galadriel's magicks?

07-29-2010, 10:25 PM	#1
Gorthaur the Cruel Wight Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Mordor Posts: 150	Galadriel and the Necromancer I'm not sure if I have the timeline correct, but I'm positive Celeborn and Galadriel only took up rule in Lorinand after the Balrog's awakening in Moria 1981 TA. But 931 years before this, Sauron has already started building Dol Guldor. Sauron flees from Gandalf in 2063 TA but returns with amplified strength to Dol Guldor in 2460 TA, ending the Watchful Peace. It isn't after some 481 years that the White Council finally attacks, though in vain. Now, Sauron had many years to destroy Lorinand before Celeborn and Galadriel could take rule and protect it. And I know both of them periodically checked Lorinand to strengthen whatever defenses they had, but it still cannot substitute for Celeborn's lordship and Galadriel's protection with Nenya. So with these chances, Sauron's spiritual powers could cross the Anduin and spy out Amroth's pretty little kingdom and unravel its secrets. Not to mention there wasn't any Caras Galadhon at the time, protecting the eastermost part (tongue and the Naith) of Lorien, for Cerin Amroth was situated in the heart of the forest. Sauron's power could've easily touched Lorinand if he wanted. But yet he didn't. Is it possible that Galadriel has been using some parts of Nenya during her peridoc visits to Lorinand to "fence" the realm, though it was still under the rulership of Amroth? I can't imagine Lorinand staying safe for that long (sans Galadriel) with Sauron right next door without some magical agent aiding Lorinand. And in addition, Galadriel only became actively involved when Celebrian was tortured by the orcs. The next year, she became aggresive and aided Eorl's host across Anduin. Keep in mind that Sauron has already returned at this time (after the Watchful Peace) with increased strength. There were dark glooms flowing out of Dol Guldor, and I'm sure Sauron sensed Eol's host approaching. Yet the white mists from Galadriel was able to drive back Sauron's darkness? Why is this? Does this mean that in his Necromancer state, Sauron is weaker? Being a maia, he could've easily pushed back Galadriel's enchanted mists and done away with Eorl and his host, but he was overpowered. And he'd ahve to have known it was Galadriel in there, for the rumors were rampant of the feared Sorceress of the Golden Wood. Did Sauron need to be physically in Lorien to combat Galadriel's magicks? __________________ I am Annatar, the Lord of Gifts.