The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum


Visit The *EVEN NEWER* Barrow-Downs Photo Page

Go Back   The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum > Middle-Earth Discussions > The Books
User Name
Password
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Today's Posts


 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Prev Previous Post   Next Post Next
Old 05-04-2003, 04:30 PM   #1
Feanor of the Peredhil
La Belle Dame sans Merci
 
Feanor of the Peredhil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: perpetual uncertainty
Posts: 5,517
Feanor of the Peredhil is a guest of Elrond in Rivendell.Feanor of the Peredhil is a guest of Elrond in Rivendell.Feanor of the Peredhil is a guest of Elrond in Rivendell.
Send a message via MSN to Feanor of the Peredhil
Silmaril Odd Conclusions in Reference to Age and Fallibility

As I was reading The Two Towers today, I came across an interesting line:

"Treebeard is Fangorn, the guardian of the forest; he is the oldest of the Ents, the oldest living thing that still walks beneath the Sun upon this Middle Earth." ~Gandalf the White to Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli.

Now, when I read this, I remembered another line in The Fellowship:

"Eldest, that's what I am. Mark my words, my friends: Tom was here before the river and the trees;" ~Tom Bombadil.

And also:

"Iarwain Ben-adar we called him, oldest and fatherless." ~Elrond Halfelven.

These statements conflict quite nicely, confusing me as to who is older: Bombadil or Fangorn. Now Bombadil himself tells us that he is oldest, and Elrond Loremaster agrees, however Gandalf, as the White, claims that Fangorn is the oldest living thing that walks ME.

This statement can be taken a few different ways, that I can think of:

1) Fangorn is older than Bombadil.

2) Bombadil is not actually a living thing.

3) Bombadil doesn't walk: he dances, or some other nonsense technicality.

or:

4) Gandalf is simply wrong.

Since I'm stuck on this, and I could very well be missing an interesting tidbit of information, I'd like some thoughts on this. Or possibly links, but I don't think you'll find any of those, since I looked for quite some time for a thread discussing this particularity.

Fea
__________________
peace
Feanor of the Peredhil is offline   Reply With Quote
 


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:44 PM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.