Saruman and betrayal - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

**lindil** · 10-01-2006, 08:15 AM

I've always wondered how Saruman pulled off amassing his army with [seemingly]no one but the Ents noticing it was mostly ORCS.

So, if the 'West' meaning Galadriel/Lorien, Rivendell/Elrond/rangers and Denethor/Gondor had found out earlier. What could have been done?

Perhaps as well, Denethor did know [via the palantir] and this is one of the many things he distrusted Gandalf over.

But as re: Saruman:
*pre-emptive strikes ?
* another secret mission by G.?
*'live and let live' till attacks start?
*negotiate?

The history of M-E is rife w/ treason, Maeglin, Morgoth, THe sons of Ulfang, Wormtongue, Saruman...to name the main ones that come to mind. Excepting Wormtonuge [outed unsuccessfully by Eomer] are there any other instances of treason being spotted early?

10-01-2006, 08:15 AM	#1
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	Saruman and betrayal I've always wondered how Saruman pulled off amassing his army with [seemingly]no one but the Ents noticing it was mostly ORCS. So, if the 'West' meaning Galadriel/Lorien, Rivendell/Elrond/rangers and Denethor/Gondor had found out earlier. What could have been done? Perhaps as well, Denethor did know [via the palantir] and this is one of the many things he distrusted Gandalf over. But as re: Saruman: pre-emptive strikes ? another secret mission by G.? 'live and let live' till attacks start? negotiate? The history of M-E is rife w/ treason, Maeglin, Morgoth, THe sons of Ulfang, Wormtongue, Saruman...to name the main ones that come to mind. Excepting Wormtonuge [outed unsuccessfully by Eomer] are there any other instances of treason being spotted early? __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light. Last edited by lindil; 10-01-2006 at 04:57 PM.