Narya and its effect on Gandalf? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Ancalagon'sFire · 06-14-2002, 04:27 AM

Cirdan the Shipwright gave Narya to Gandalf upon his arrival to Middle-Earth.

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'Take now this Ring,' he said; 'for thy labours and thy cares will be heavy, but in all it will support thee and defend thee from weariness. For this is the Ring of Fire, and herewith, maybe, thou shalt rekindle hearts to the valour of old in a world that grows chill. But as for me, my heart is with the Sea, and I well dwell by the grey shores, guarding the Havens until the last ship sails. Then I shall await thee.'
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The Silmarillion - The Rings of Power

Though Gandalf himself states in Moria;

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`You cannot pass,' he said. The orcs stood still, and a dead silence fell. `I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the flame of Anor. You cannot pass. The dark fire will not avail you, flame of Udun. Go back to the Shadow! You cannot pass.'
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The Fellowship of the Ring - The Bridge of Khazad Dum

In a description of Mithrandir it states;

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Warm and eager was his spirit (and it was enhanced by the ring Narya), for he was the Enemy of Sauron, opposing the fire that devours and wastes with the fire that kindles, and succours in wanhope and distress; but his joy, and his swift wrath, were veiled in garments grey as ash, so that only those that knew him well glimpsed the flame that was within.
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Unfinished Tales - The Istari

Yet throughout the books references are also made to Gandalds skill with Fire;

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and the old man was Gandalf the Wizard, whose fame in the Shire was due mainly to his skill with fires, smokes, and lights.

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The Fellowship of the Ring - A Long Expected Party

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But not Gandalf. Bilbo's yell had done that much good. It had wakened him up wide in a splintered second, and when goblins came to grab hi, there was a terrific flash like lightning in the cave, a smell like gunpowder, and several of them fell dead.
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Just at that moment all the lights in the cavern went out, and the great fire went off poof! into a tower of blue glowing smoke, right up to the roof, that scattered piercing white sparks all among the goblins
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The Hobbit - Over Hill and Under Hill

'Why his he bringing all this up,' you might ask? Well, what I wonder is; What exactly is Gandalfs ability with fire as a wizard? Is it enhanced by The Ring of Fire, or does that only instil an ability to gave men and Elves courage and strength? What exactly is The Flame of Anor and how does he weild it?

I would point out that although I am certain Servant of the Secret Fire possibly relates to the Flame Imperishable, it still needs stronger evidence. What isn't explained or is as apparent is the Flame of Anor, which is most definetely not the referring to the F.I.

There, that should keep you going for a while...........or maybe not?

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06-14-2002, 04:27 AM	#1
Ancalagon'sFire Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 41	Narya and its effect on Gandalf? Cirdan the Shipwright gave Narya to Gandalf upon his arrival to Middle-Earth. quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Take now this Ring,' he said; 'for thy labours and thy cares will be heavy, but in all it will support thee and defend thee from weariness. For this is the Ring of Fire, and herewith, maybe, thou shalt rekindle hearts to the valour of old in a world that grows chill. But as for me, my heart is with the Sea, and I well dwell by the grey shores, guarding the Havens until the last ship sails. Then I shall await thee.' -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Silmarillion - The Rings of Power Though Gandalf himself states in Moria; quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- `You cannot pass,' he said. The orcs stood still, and a dead silence fell. `I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the flame of Anor. You cannot pass. The dark fire will not avail you, flame of Udun. Go back to the Shadow! You cannot pass.' ` -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Fellowship of the Ring - The Bridge of Khazad Dum In a description of Mithrandir it states; quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Warm and eager was his spirit (and it was enhanced by the ring Narya), for he was the Enemy of Sauron, opposing the fire that devours and wastes with the fire that kindles, and succours in wanhope and distress; but his joy, and his swift wrath, were veiled in garments grey as ash, so that only those that knew him well glimpsed the flame that was within. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Unfinished Tales - The Istari Yet throughout the books references are also made to Gandalds skill with Fire; quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- and the old man was Gandalf the Wizard, whose fame in the Shire was due mainly to his skill with fires, smokes, and lights. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Fellowship of the Ring - A Long Expected Party quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- But not Gandalf. Bilbo's yell had done that much good. It had wakened him up wide in a splintered second, and when goblins came to grab hi, there was a terrific flash like lightning in the cave, a smell like gunpowder, and several of them fell dead. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just at that moment all the lights in the cavern went out, and the great fire went off poof! into a tower of blue glowing smoke, right up to the roof, that scattered piercing white sparks all among the goblins -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hobbit - Over Hill and Under Hill 'Why his he bringing all this up,' you might ask? Well, what I wonder is; What exactly is Gandalfs ability with fire as a wizard? Is it enhanced by The Ring of Fire, or does that only instil an ability to gave men and Elves courage and strength? What exactly is The Flame of Anor and how does he weild it? I would point out that although I am certain Servant of the Secret Fire possibly relates to the Flame Imperishable, it still needs stronger evidence. What isn't explained or is as apparent is the Flame of Anor, which is most definetely not the referring to the F.I. There, that should keep you going for a while...........or maybe not? __________________ I have posted this same question elsewhere in case you have seen it posted before! __________________ Threads you should make a point of reading!