Denethor, Faramir and Aragorn - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

**lindil** · 02-05-2001, 05:16 AM

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I was reading RotK and I realized that Faramir shows no suprise at Aragorn's arrival.
Had Denethor [who knew from Thorongil and via the palantir] already tried to sway him against letting an Heir of Isildur on the throne shuld Faramir outlive Denethor?
Either Denethor knew this or guessed that Faramir would yield the sceptre, as his words at the pyre show.
his bitterness at gandalf having been a teacher and faramir a 'pupil' . Had G. let Faramir in on aragorn?
And did Denethor ,specifically send faramir out to the passage of the River to get him kiled so that no one should take over the stewardship who would acknowledge the heir of Isuldur.Is this why D.is so full of regret at the seemingly fatal sickness of Faramir?

I have not read the relevant HoME 6-9 to know if there are other allusions tothese matters , so any one who has
please chime in.

and one more q.
And why on earth did Aragorn not raise the standard of the WhiteTree immediately upom seizing the ships!
what would denethor's reaction to that have been,seeing the White Tree sailing up the Anduin in the palantir instead of the corsairs?

Lindil is often found on posting on the Silmarillion Project at the Barrowowns<u> Silmarillion canon , theories and discussion Forum </u> 'The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night, and awaken early before dawn- exchanging lore and wisdom such as they possessed , so that they should not fall back into the mean and low estate of those , who never knew or more sadly still, had indeed rebelled against the Light.' </p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000076>lindil</A> at: 2/5/01 11:36:57 am

02-05-2001, 05:16 AM	#1
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	Denethor, Faramir and Aragorn <font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Seeker of the Straight Path Posts: 373</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> I was reading RotK and I realized that Faramir shows no suprise at Aragorn's arrival. Had Denethor [who knew from Thorongil and via the palantir] already tried to sway him against letting an Heir of Isildur on the throne shuld Faramir outlive Denethor? Either Denethor knew this or guessed that Faramir would yield the sceptre, as his words at the pyre show. his bitterness at gandalf having been a teacher and faramir a 'pupil' . Had G. let Faramir in on aragorn? And did Denethor ,specifically send faramir out to the passage of the River to get him kiled so that no one should take over the stewardship who would acknowledge the heir of Isuldur.Is this why D.is so full of regret at the seemingly fatal sickness of Faramir? I have not read the relevant HoME 6-9 to know if there are other allusions tothese matters , so any one who has please chime in. and one more q. And why on earth did Aragorn not raise the standard of the WhiteTree immediately upom seizing the ships! what would denethor's reaction to that have been,seeing the White Tree sailing up the Anduin in the palantir instead of the corsairs? Lindil is often found on posting on the Silmarillion Project at the Barrowowns<u> Silmarillion canon , theories and discussion Forum </u> 'The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night, and awaken early before dawn- exchanging lore and wisdom such as they possessed , so that they should not fall back into the mean and low estate of those , who never knew or more sadly still, had indeed rebelled against the Light.' </p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000076>lindil</A> at: 2/5/01 11:36:57 am __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.