Gandalf and Sauron - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

bombur · 09-06-2002, 04:00 PM

Some comments on relative strenghts...

Sauron with the one ring, versus backstabbing hobbit with Orthanc-fire bronze cannon... Sauron dies. (Lets remember that Fingolfin was only an elf and in a duel he managed to maim Morgoth, a Vala before death.)

Aragorn wielding the palantir, Sauron not... Sauron loses the control of the Palantir.

For rather methaphysical reasons, Istari are SUPPOSED to engage Sauron without succumbing to the same Maiar power trip Sauron is taking in the mortal lands of middle earth. They have come as advisors and co-ordiantors. If all five of the Istari were to cast aside their limitations they basically could have stormed Mordor in form of five combatmachines equal in form to balrogs or as monstrosities like what Sauron was when engaging Elendil etc. If they had succeeded, Valar would have been automatically considering whether they should send 25 new istari to deal with theese new problems in the balance of the natural order. If they had fallen under countless hordes of trolls, nothing accomplished.

LOTR does not address POWER as a roleplaying game does. It is somewhat more mature in the approach, I think. The power of the mights of middle earth is shown in tactics, plots, armies they are able to recruit, allegiancies they are able to convert/gather, wills they are able to manipulate, distances they are able to see through, enemy plans they are able to reveal...

Had Galadriel worn the ring and succumbed to the temptation of raw power it offered, where would Mithrandir gotten the army to storm Lothlorien? Would he have joined with orcs? This all assuming of cource that by her new power of will and their old friendship and association, Galadriel had not been able to convince Gandalf to serve her.

Janne Harju

09-06-2002, 04:00 PM	#32
bombur Wight Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: finland Posts: 126	Some comments on relative strenghts... Sauron with the one ring, versus backstabbing hobbit with Orthanc-fire bronze cannon... Sauron dies. (Lets remember that Fingolfin was only an elf and in a duel he managed to maim Morgoth, a Vala before death.) Aragorn wielding the palantir, Sauron not... Sauron loses the control of the Palantir. For rather methaphysical reasons, Istari are SUPPOSED to engage Sauron without succumbing to the same Maiar power trip Sauron is taking in the mortal lands of middle earth. They have come as advisors and co-ordiantors. If all five of the Istari were to cast aside their limitations they basically could have stormed Mordor in form of five combatmachines equal in form to balrogs or as monstrosities like what Sauron was when engaging Elendil etc. If they had succeeded, Valar would have been automatically considering whether they should send 25 new istari to deal with theese new problems in the balance of the natural order. If they had fallen under countless hordes of trolls, nothing accomplished. LOTR does not address POWER as a roleplaying game does. It is somewhat more mature in the approach, I think. The power of the mights of middle earth is shown in tactics, plots, armies they are able to recruit, allegiancies they are able to convert/gather, wills they are able to manipulate, distances they are able to see through, enemy plans they are able to reveal... Had Galadriel worn the ring and succumbed to the temptation of raw power it offered, where would Mithrandir gotten the army to storm Lothlorien? Would he have joined with orcs? This all assuming of cource that by her new power of will and their old friendship and association, Galadriel had not been able to convince Gandalf to serve her. Janne Harju