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Galorme · 10-22-2002, 04:34 AM

If it has passed from the high and the beautiful to darkness and ruin, that was of old the fate of Arda Marred; and if any change shall come and the Marring be amended, Manwe and Varda may know; but they have not revealed it, and it is not declared in the dooms of Mandos.

There are really two Marrings of Arda. One was the physical corruption of the earth, the turning of Yavanna's works to evil, the bending of the earth, the destruction of the symmetry, and the corrupting of the elves (or whatever Melkor corrupted to make the orcs). The other was done before the start of time, during the Ainurlindalë, where Melkor put his own ideas into the music. Which do you think was the most damaging?

Also that statement seems to suggest something deeper. Like the natural tendency for things to decay was caused by Morgoth. Maybe Melkor introduced the Law of Entropy into the Music? It seems that the idea of lasting beauty, or things getting better with time never occurred to JRRT. To be honest I think I pity him that.

10-22-2002, 04:34 AM	#1
Galorme Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: London Posts: 337	Here ends the Silmarillion. If it has passed from the high and the beautiful to darkness and ruin, that was of old the fate of Arda Marred; and if any change shall come and the Marring be amended, Manwe and Varda may know; but they have not revealed it, and it is not declared in the dooms of Mandos. There are really two Marrings of Arda. One was the physical corruption of the earth, the turning of Yavanna's works to evil, the bending of the earth, the destruction of the symmetry, and the corrupting of the elves (or whatever Melkor corrupted to make the orcs). The other was done before the start of time, during the Ainurlindalë, where Melkor put his own ideas into the music. Which do you think was the most damaging? Also that statement seems to suggest something deeper. Like the natural tendency for things to decay was caused by Morgoth. Maybe Melkor introduced the Law of Entropy into the Music? It seems that the idea of lasting beauty, or things getting better with time never occurred to JRRT. To be honest I think I pity him that. __________________ Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë! The day has come! Behold people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!