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Formendacil · 09-21-2005, 10:29 PM

Well, after about eight months of service on this noble board, I have finally found a topic that I think I can start a thread on without repeating any previous one. And as the forum is rather quiet, and in need of a good, books-based discussion, I present to you the following:

In Unorthodox Heroes?, Post #13, I posed the question of which Curse had the greater power over the cursed: the Curse of Morgoth (over Hurin and his kin) or the curse of the Valar, over the Noldor as a people.

Obviously, the Curse of the Valar was a great deal more far-reaching, seeing as it covered an entire race- and those so foolish or unlucky as to get caught in it with them, most notably the Sindar under Thingol.

On the other hand, the Doom of the Valar does not have as disasterous individual actions as that of Morgoth's Curse. In the case of the latter, Morgoth is able to dominate the lives of Turin and his kin to such an extent that NOTHING they do is successful for more than a very short while, and it is all manipulated to evil. The Doom of the Noldor, on the other hand, seems to have less immediate effects. For instance, the Noldor are successful in their first several battles with Morgoth, and have the Watchful Peace, several hundred years in which to build remarkable, and memorable, kingdoms. And there is, of course, the tale of Beren and Luthien, the recovering of the Silmaril- an ultimately disastrous event for the union of the Eldar, but one that was totally unforeseen by the Doom of the Noldor (and although neither Luthien nor Beren was of the Noldor, by seeking the Silmaril they fell under the Curse- or Thingol did anyway).

So, I put it to you: which Doom is the more powerful, and why?

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09-21-2005, 10:29 PM	#1
Formendacil Dead Serious Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Perched on Thangorodrim's towers. Posts: 3,326	Curses! Well, after about eight months of service on this noble board, I have finally found a topic that I think I can start a thread on without repeating any previous one. And as the forum is rather quiet, and in need of a good, books-based discussion, I present to you the following: In Unorthodox Heroes?, Post #13, I posed the question of which Curse had the greater power over the cursed: the Curse of Morgoth (over Hurin and his kin) or the curse of the Valar, over the Noldor as a people. Obviously, the Curse of the Valar was a great deal more far-reaching, seeing as it covered an entire race- and those so foolish or unlucky as to get caught in it with them, most notably the Sindar under Thingol. On the other hand, the Doom of the Valar does not have as disasterous individual actions as that of Morgoth's Curse. In the case of the latter, Morgoth is able to dominate the lives of Turin and his kin to such an extent that NOTHING they do is successful for more than a very short while, and it is all manipulated to evil. The Doom of the Noldor, on the other hand, seems to have less immediate effects. For instance, the Noldor are successful in their first several battles with Morgoth, and have the Watchful Peace, several hundred years in which to build remarkable, and memorable, kingdoms. And there is, of course, the tale of Beren and Luthien, the recovering of the Silmaril- an ultimately disastrous event for the union of the Eldar, but one that was totally unforeseen by the Doom of the Noldor (and although neither Luthien nor Beren was of the Noldor, by seeking the Silmaril they fell under the Curse- or Thingol did anyway). So, I put it to you: which Doom is the more powerful, and why? __________________ I prefer history, true or feigned.