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alquadae · 06-13-2003, 04:27 PM

Thank you Sophia.
coats of mail
Swords
spears
bows
axes
harps

Estanesse · 06-13-2003, 05:49 PM

Is the odd item out an axe, because it is never been used as a weapon ‘ as far as I know’ by an elf?

alquadae · 06-13-2003, 06:03 PM

Good guess but not quite
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[ June 13, 2003: Message edited by: alquadae ]

Corwyn Celesil · 06-14-2003, 12:14 AM

Harps because they are not weapons

OR

Coats of armor because they have never been carried by hand into battle (rather, worn)

alquadae · 06-14-2003, 06:26 AM

Don't dig so deep

Lyra Greenleaf · 06-14-2003, 09:45 AM

Elves never use axes?

alquadae · 06-14-2003, 11:27 AM

That may be true [spent a couple of hours looking for an example] but not what I am looking for. please try again [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Corwyn Celesil · 06-14-2003, 12:53 PM

Bows are the only ones where the actual weapon is not thrown or used by hand . . . projectiles . . .
(Axes, by the way, were used in at least one instance by Elves: in Gondolin the house of Meglin "fought with axes two-headded like mattocks.")

Finwe · 06-14-2003, 01:09 PM

Coats of mail because all the others have been used as weapons, or sorts of weapons by the Elves. Finrod used the harp as a weapon to enchant the Beorians (although probably not intentionally).

alquadae · 06-14-2003, 02:20 PM

Ok ,a hint, What I am looking for is what they are not how they are used

Finwe · 06-14-2003, 02:23 PM

Coats of mail because they are worn, not carried.

Corwyn Celesil · 06-14-2003, 04:33 PM

A bow is the only one made of wood, or not made of metal

alquadae · 06-14-2003, 05:27 PM

Some bows are made from dragon horn
coats of mail
swords
spears
bows
axes
harps
hint....
belt of pearls and crystal
gems
a belt crusted with scarlet stones
precious goblets

Lindolirian · 06-14-2003, 09:40 PM

Bows were the only ones not mentioned in Smaug's hoard.

alquadae · 06-15-2003, 03:46 AM

Thank you
Now i know what a dentist feels like
Your up [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Lindolirian · 06-16-2003, 10:25 PM

Well, you made it kinda easy there with that hint...

pot
pan
drinking vessel
beer mug

The first two are according to the movies. I'm not sure if that certain part is in the books or not.

alquadae · 06-17-2003, 04:24 AM

Sam did not carry a beer mug?

Lindolirian · 06-17-2003, 10:40 AM

Nope.

alquadae · 06-24-2003, 03:22 AM

Sat through PJ's "eye candy "twice, only thing I could come up with is that there were no pots in the Prancing Pony scene.
Time for a hint ?

**The Saucepan Man** · 06-24-2003, 11:24 AM

Well, I feel duty bound to try to answer a question about pots and pans. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

On the basis that Sam used either a pot or a pan as a weapon in the film (in the fight scene at Balin's tomb), I will hazard a guess that they were all used as weapons, except ... hmm ... the beer mug (didn't Turin throw a drnking vessel at Saeros?).

Lindolirian · 07-01-2003, 08:54 PM

That's it! I included the drinking vessel since that was Turin's weapon, and I assume that there were no beer mugs in Doriath, so that would be the difference. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

**The Saucepan Man** · 07-02-2003, 06:15 PM

Thanks, Lindol. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Ale
Bacon
Bones
Books
Brass Buttons
Gold Coins
Swords

peonydeepdelver · 07-02-2003, 06:58 PM

Uh, bacon is yummy and eatable, and the others are not (or at least they shouldn't be...). Well, ale is technically drinkable, not edible...

Gwaihir the Windlord · 07-03-2003, 12:22 AM

The 'brass buttons' seem to hint at Hobbits, so I'll say bones -- Hobbits do not seem to have much interest in them. Either that or swords for the same reason (I said bones first because swords were of course used by some hobbits).

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 07-03-2003, 06:33 AM

I will guess bones, because I believe, though I haven't checked, that they were one thing that Bilbo didn't wish he access to at any point on his travels.

Sophia

**The Saucepan Man** · 07-03-2003, 06:39 AM

No, no and no. [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

Gwaihir the Windlord · 07-04-2003, 01:19 AM

Perhaps brass buttons then, because Bilbo did not win them through his adventure (he got gold ones instead, you'll remember) although I can't remember 'bones' being in the list.

[ July 04, 2003: Message edited by: Gwaihir the Windlord ]

alquadae · 07-04-2003, 05:19 AM

No books in Roast Mutton

Gil-Galad · 07-04-2003, 02:22 PM

all those itmes were found in the Trolls cave except bacon or books

**The Saucepan Man** · 07-04-2003, 05:39 PM

Alquadae and Gil-Galad, the combination of your answers produces the correct answer. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

All those items are mentioned in Roast Mutton except books. But more specifically, they were all present in the Trolls' cave except books (which is what I was looking for). Bacon was one of the items of food that the company took from the cave to bolster their flagging supplies.

Either one of you may go next. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

alquadae · 07-05-2003, 04:57 AM

I yield

Gil-Galad · 07-05-2003, 09:28 AM

okay here i go

Silmarils
Eagle talons
Taunts
spear

Gwaihir the Windlord · 07-06-2003, 03:22 AM

Taunts; the only thing that could not inflict actual physcial damage. Although I wouldn't personally classify it as an 'item'.

Gil-Galad · 07-06-2003, 10:25 AM

but they would have wrote it somewhere

Horse-Maiden of the Shire · 07-06-2003, 10:32 AM

Taunts and eagle talons make me think of the Silmarillion, but also the Hobbit. Argh. I'll say Silmarils, because they weren't involved in the torture of Maedhros.(I think and hope. Otherwise I've made a complete fool of myself.)

[ July 06, 2003: Message edited by: Horse-Maiden of the Shire ]

Gil-Galad · 07-07-2003, 11:03 AM

nope sorry

Lindolirian · 07-07-2003, 12:34 PM

Morgoth was never hurt by a spear. He endured all the other kinds of "harmful items".

alquadae · 07-08-2003, 04:12 AM

I,ll give this a whirl
Silmarils are not sharp?

Gil-Galad · 07-08-2003, 09:06 AM

Lindolirian is correct! please do continue

Gwaihir the Windlord · 07-09-2003, 01:51 AM

Very shrewd, lind.

06-13-2003, 04:27 PM	#241
alquadae Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mithlond Posts: 154	Thank you Sophia. coats of mail Swords spears bows axes harps __________________ Keeper of St. Elmos Fire

06-13-2003, 05:49 PM	#242
Estanesse Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: somewhere far away Posts: 561	Is the odd item out an axe, because it is never been used as a weapon ‘ as far as I know’ by an elf? __________________ Since there is no time like the present, I thought it was time to present the present.

06-13-2003, 06:03 PM	#243
alquadae Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mithlond Posts: 154	Good guess but not quite [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [ June 13, 2003: Message edited by: alquadae ] __________________ Keeper of St. Elmos Fire

06-14-2003, 12:14 AM	#244
Corwyn Celesil Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The House of the Fountain, Gondolin Posts: 57	Harps because they are not weapons OR Coats of armor because they have never been carried by hand into battle (rather, worn) __________________ Then came there from the south of the city the people of the Fountain, and Ecthelion was their lord, and silver and diamonds were their delight; and swords very long and bright and pale did they wield . . .

06-14-2003, 06:26 AM	#245
alquadae Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mithlond Posts: 154	Don't dig so deep __________________ Keeper of St. Elmos Fire

06-14-2003, 09:45 AM	#246
Lyra Greenleaf The Diaphanous Dryad Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: R toL: 531, past the wild path Posts: 1,152	Elves never use axes? __________________ “Sylphs of the forest,” I whispered. “Spirits of oak, beech and ash. Dryads of Rowan and hazel, hear us. You who have guided and guarded our every footstep, you who have sheltered our growth, we honour you." the Forbidden Link

06-14-2003, 11:27 AM	#247
alquadae Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mithlond Posts: 154	That may be true [spent a couple of hours looking for an example] but not what I am looking for. please try again [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Keeper of St. Elmos Fire

06-14-2003, 12:53 PM	#248
Corwyn Celesil Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The House of the Fountain, Gondolin Posts: 57	Bows are the only ones where the actual weapon is not thrown or used by hand . . . projectiles . . . (Axes, by the way, were used in at least one instance by Elves: in Gondolin the house of Meglin "fought with axes two-headded like mattocks.") __________________ Then came there from the south of the city the people of the Fountain, and Ecthelion was their lord, and silver and diamonds were their delight; and swords very long and bright and pale did they wield . . .

06-14-2003, 01:09 PM	#249
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Coats of mail because all the others have been used as weapons, or sorts of weapons by the Elves. Finrod used the harp as a weapon to enchant the Beorians (although probably not intentionally). __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

06-14-2003, 02:20 PM	#250
alquadae Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mithlond Posts: 154	Ok ,a hint, What I am looking for is what they are not how they are used __________________ Keeper of St. Elmos Fire

06-14-2003, 02:23 PM	#251
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Coats of mail because they are worn, not carried. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

06-14-2003, 04:33 PM	#252
Corwyn Celesil Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The House of the Fountain, Gondolin Posts: 57	A bow is the only one made of wood, or not made of metal __________________ Then came there from the south of the city the people of the Fountain, and Ecthelion was their lord, and silver and diamonds were their delight; and swords very long and bright and pale did they wield . . .

06-14-2003, 05:27 PM	#253
alquadae Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mithlond Posts: 154	Some bows are made from dragon horn coats of mail swords spears bows axes harps hint.... belt of pearls and crystal gems a belt crusted with scarlet stones precious goblets __________________ Keeper of St. Elmos Fire

06-14-2003, 09:40 PM	#254
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Bows were the only ones not mentioned in Smaug's hoard. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

06-15-2003, 03:46 AM	#255
alquadae Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mithlond Posts: 154	Thank you Now i know what a dentist feels like Your up [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Keeper of St. Elmos Fire

06-16-2003, 10:25 PM	#256
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Well, you made it kinda easy there with that hint... pot pan drinking vessel beer mug The first two are according to the movies. I'm not sure if that certain part is in the books or not. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

06-17-2003, 04:24 AM	#257
alquadae Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mithlond Posts: 154	Sam did not carry a beer mug? __________________ Keeper of St. Elmos Fire

06-17-2003, 10:40 AM	#258
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Nope. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

06-24-2003, 03:22 AM	#259
alquadae Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mithlond Posts: 154	Sat through PJ's "eye candy "twice, only thing I could come up with is that there were no pots in the Prancing Pony scene. Time for a hint ? __________________ Keeper of St. Elmos Fire

06-24-2003, 11:24 AM	#260
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Well, I feel duty bound to try to answer a question about pots and pans. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] On the basis that Sam used either a pot or a pan as a weapon in the film (in the fight scene at Balin's tomb), I will hazard a guess that they were all used as weapons, except ... hmm ... the beer mug (didn't Turin throw a drnking vessel at Saeros?). __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

07-01-2003, 08:54 PM	#261
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	That's it! I included the drinking vessel since that was Turin's weapon, and I assume that there were no beer mugs in Doriath, so that would be the difference. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

07-02-2003, 06:15 PM	#262
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Thanks, Lindol. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Ale Bacon Bones Books Brass Buttons Gold Coins Swords __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

07-02-2003, 06:58 PM	#263
peonydeepdelver Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alas, I hail from Massachusetts Posts: 256	Uh, bacon is yummy and eatable, and the others are not (or at least they shouldn't be...). Well, ale is technically drinkable, not edible... __________________ "Nazgul, Nazgul! You speak of what is deep beyond the reach of your muddy dreams, Ugluk! Nazgul! Ah! All that they make out! One day you'll wish that you had not said that. Ape! You ought to know that they're the apple of the Great Eye." ~Grishnakh

07-03-2003, 12:22 AM	#264
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	The 'brass buttons' seem to hint at Hobbits, so I'll say bones -- Hobbits do not seem to have much interest in them. Either that or swords for the same reason (I said bones first because swords were of course used by some hobbits).

07-03-2003, 06:33 AM	#265
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,780	I will guess bones, because I believe, though I haven't checked, that they were one thing that Bilbo didn't wish he access to at any point on his travels. Sophia __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

07-03-2003, 06:39 AM	#266
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	No, no and no. [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

07-04-2003, 01:19 AM	#267
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	Perhaps brass buttons then, because Bilbo did not win them through his adventure (he got gold ones instead, you'll remember) although I can't remember 'bones' being in the list. [ July 04, 2003: Message edited by: Gwaihir the Windlord ]

07-04-2003, 05:19 AM	#268
alquadae Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mithlond Posts: 154	No books in Roast Mutton __________________ Keeper of St. Elmos Fire

07-04-2003, 02:22 PM	#269
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	all those itmes were found in the Trolls cave except bacon or books __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

07-04-2003, 05:39 PM	#270
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Alquadae and Gil-Galad, the combination of your answers produces the correct answer. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] All those items are mentioned in Roast Mutton except books. But more specifically, they were all present in the Trolls' cave except books (which is what I was looking for). Bacon was one of the items of food that the company took from the cave to bolster their flagging supplies. Either one of you may go next. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

07-05-2003, 04:57 AM	#271
alquadae Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mithlond Posts: 154	I yield __________________ Keeper of St. Elmos Fire

07-05-2003, 09:28 AM	#272
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	okay here i go Silmarils Eagle talons Taunts spear __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

07-06-2003, 03:22 AM	#273
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	Taunts; the only thing that could not inflict actual physcial damage. Although I wouldn't personally classify it as an 'item'.

07-06-2003, 10:25 AM	#274
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	but they would have wrote it somewhere __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

07-06-2003, 10:32 AM	#275
Horse-Maiden of the Shire Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Chillaxin' with Glorfindel-441 miles on the RtR Posts: 1,197	Taunts and eagle talons make me think of the Silmarillion, but also the Hobbit. Argh. I'll say Silmarils, because they weren't involved in the torture of Maedhros.(I think and hope. Otherwise I've made a complete fool of myself.) [ July 06, 2003: Message edited by: Horse-Maiden of the Shire ] __________________ "There's a big...machine in the sky...some kind of electric snake...coming straight at us." "Shoot it," said my attorney. "Not yet...I want to study its habits."