Elves at Helm's Deep - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Gil Galad · 01-18-2004, 01:08 PM

I didn't know where to put my question so I figuerd I'd put it here.

I was wondering if any elves survived at the Battle of Helm's Deep besides Legolas, because in the movie Legolas was the only elf that rode out with the rohirrom(SP) in the last charge.

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-18-2004, 04:29 PM

If you are speaking about the movies, I don't think so.

But: In the books, no Elves (apart Legolas, of course) took part in the defense of Helm's Klamm, which means that the issue of Elves in this battle is of no importance at all.

Greetings,
EfR

Gil Galad · 01-18-2004, 04:57 PM

Helm's Klamm?

Oh... ok it's been awhile since I've read the books thanks clearing that up for me.

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-18-2004, 05:06 PM

Oooh... Helm's Klamm is of course Helm's Deep ... I become influenced by the (German) movies [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
Greetings,
EfR

The Perky Ent · 01-18-2004, 06:27 PM

By the look of that shot in TTT where the Uruk-Hai storm through Helm's Deep after the breach of the wall and the causeway is taken. When Thoden, Aragorn, Legolas, Gimli, and the surviving Rohirrim are in the keep, there wern't any elves, so we can assume they were crushed to a pulp (except for Legolas and his never-missing arrows!)

Gil Galad · 01-18-2004, 07:58 PM

Well if you look hard enough there are elves fighting where the rohirrom where at the beginning of the battle (the hornburg is what it is called i think)

Elassar 516 · 01-18-2004, 09:30 PM

As Elrond mentioned since in the books no elves besides Legolas were at the battle of Helms Deep it doesn't really matter, but all the same I doubt all the elves would have been killed.

ElenCala Isil · 01-18-2004, 10:24 PM

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all the same I doubt all the elves would have been killed.

Well, like I've said before, PJ has been known to kill off random elves at inopportune times, maybe this was just his attempt at slaughtering a good deal of them..

Anywho, I think that it might have just been a slip-up in the movie, that no elves seemed to have come out alive, so perhaps we can just assume that none made it out. But see, if all was canon with the world, none would have been killed, for in the book, there are no elves at Helm's Deep.

Knight of Gondor · 01-18-2004, 10:36 PM

*Pant pant* It took a long time to search, but I finally found the topic that discussed this in great detail. I know, sometimes it stinks to have a great discussion going and find it's already taken place. :P

The battle for Helm's Deep is over: all the Elves were killed?

Gil Galad · 01-18-2004, 11:56 PM

Thanks kinight it really cleared that up for me [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

01-18-2004, 01:08 PM	#1
Gil Galad Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: hmm... good question.... Posts: 58	Elves at Helm's Deep I didn't know where to put my question so I figuerd I'd put it here. I was wondering if any elves survived at the Battle of Helm's Deep besides Legolas, because in the movie Legolas was the only elf that rode out with the rohirrom(SP) in the last charge. __________________ A red sun rises... blood has been spilt this night.- Legolas TTT Certainty of death, small chance of success... what are we waiting for?- Gimli ROTK

01-18-2004, 04:57 PM	#3
Gil Galad Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: hmm... good question.... Posts: 58	Helm's Klamm? Oh... ok it's been awhile since I've read the books thanks clearing that up for me. __________________ A red sun rises... blood has been spilt this night.- Legolas TTT Certainty of death, small chance of success... what are we waiting for?- Gimli ROTK

01-18-2004, 06:27 PM	#5
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	By the look of that shot in TTT where the Uruk-Hai storm through Helm's Deep after the breach of the wall and the causeway is taken. When Thoden, Aragorn, Legolas, Gimli, and the surviving Rohirrim are in the keep, there wern't any elves, so we can assume they were crushed to a pulp (except for Legolas and his never-missing arrows!) __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

01-18-2004, 07:58 PM	#6
Gil Galad Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: hmm... good question.... Posts: 58	Well if you look hard enough there are elves fighting where the rohirrom where at the beginning of the battle (the hornburg is what it is called i think) __________________ A red sun rises... blood has been spilt this night.- Legolas TTT Certainty of death, small chance of success... what are we waiting for?- Gimli ROTK

01-18-2004, 10:36 PM	#9
Knight of Gondor Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 744	Pant pant It took a long time to search, but I finally found the topic that discussed this in great detail. I know, sometimes it stinks to have a great discussion going and find it's already taken place. :P The battle for Helm's Deep is over: all the Elves were killed? __________________ Eagerly awaiting the REAL Return of the King - Jesus Christ! Revelation 19:11-16

01-18-2004, 04:29 PM	#2
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	If you are speaking about the movies, I don't think so. But: In the books, no Elves (apart Legolas, of course) took part in the defense of Helm's Klamm, which means that the issue of Elves in this battle is of no importance at all. Greetings, EfR

01-18-2004, 05:06 PM	#4
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	Oooh... Helm's Klamm is of course Helm's Deep ... I become influenced by the (German) movies [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Greetings, EfR

01-18-2004, 09:30 PM	#7
Elassar 516 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sailing into the West...I wish Posts: 58	As Elrond mentioned since in the books no elves besides Legolas were at the battle of Helms Deep it doesn't really matter, but all the same I doubt all the elves would have been killed.

01-18-2004, 11:56 PM	#10
Gil Galad Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: hmm... good question.... Posts: 58	Thanks kinight it really cleared that up for me [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ A red sun rises... blood has been spilt this night.- Legolas TTT Certainty of death, small chance of success... what are we waiting for?- Gimli ROTK