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Galadriel55 · 07-29-2011, 05:48 PM

Alive - not in any literal sense
Sentient - no
Object - not really, ish. I wouldn't call it so. But maybe you could.
Physically exists - yes
Natural - ... ... ... ...nooo, but one needs to be cautious here as well. It is, in a way. But then again, it isn't, looking at its origins according to the legendarium.

Damn it! I will stick to the usual person/place/thing next time and not come up woth something crazy!

Narnangol · 08-11-2011, 01:53 PM

Is it (can it be) used/handled for a purpose?

Galadriel55 · 08-11-2011, 02:33 PM

Alive - not in any literal sense
Sentient - no
Object - not really, ish. I wouldn't call it so. But maybe you could.
Physically exists - yes
Natural - ... ... ... ...nooo, but one needs to be cautious here as well. It is, in a way. But then again, it isn't, looking at its origins according to the legendarium.
Is it (can it be) used/handled for a purpose? - No, it can't be, and it isn't.

Narnangol · 08-11-2011, 02:37 PM

A clue, perhaps?

You seem to have pulled out something very curious for us to guess.

Galadriel55 · 08-11-2011, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narnangol

A clue, perhaps?

You seem to have pulled out something very curious for us to guess.

Clues, clues...

Ok. Well, I think that the most confusing part is how can in be physical and not, and natural and not, at the same time. In a way in works the same way as one of my previous "answers" - calaquendi. (am I that redundant? I have to very those answers every once in a while...) Like everything in the legendarium, it was made, but in our world we consider it natural. On the other hand, just like calaquendi is a division that people created amongst themselves, but is still made up of absolutely natural people....

Does that make any sense?

PS: this is indeed a curious thing - something that I don't remember ever being the answer! (though of course I did not read the whole thread - that would be insanity!!!)

Mithalwen · 09-10-2019, 07:38 AM

Galadriel, dearheart, do remember what this was or could we perhaps start again? Same rules but after so long and so many pagesI don’t think we need to worry about repeating items.

Galadriel55 · 09-10-2019, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Galadriel, dearheart, do remember what this was or could we perhaps start again? Same rules but after so long and so many pagesI don’t think we need to worry about repeating items.

I have no idea what I had in mind. Take it away if you wish.

Mithalwen · 09-10-2019, 06:52 PM

Let us know if it comes back to you..

So any questions?

Galadriel55 · 09-10-2019, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Let us know if it comes back to you..

I wish. I'm curious myself. What on earth was I thinking?

Anyway. Alive?

Mithalwen · 09-11-2019, 02:08 AM

A added mystery.

Alive? No

Urwen · 09-11-2019, 04:00 AM

Place?

Mithalwen · 09-11-2019, 07:31 AM

Alive? No
Place? No

Huinesoron · 09-11-2019, 07:54 AM

Does it have a name in one of Tolkien's created languages?

hS

Mithalwen · 09-11-2019, 08:01 AM

interesting question.

Alive? No
Place? No
Has a name in a language created by Tolkien? No

Urwen · 09-11-2019, 09:08 AM

Object?

Mithalwen · 09-11-2019, 09:41 AM

Indeed

Alive? No
Place? No
Has a name in a language created by Tolkien? No
Object? Yes

Urwen · 09-11-2019, 01:09 PM

First age?

Mithalwen · 09-11-2019, 02:03 PM

Alive? No
Place? No
Has a name in a language created by Tolkien? No
Object? Yes
First Age? No

Galadriel55 · 09-11-2019, 05:30 PM

Man-made?

Mithalwen · 09-11-2019, 06:05 PM

Alive? No
Place? No
Has a name in a language created by Tolkien? No
Object? Yes
First Age? No
Man-made? Yes although a somewhat ambiguous question in Tokien’s Legendarium!

Urwen · 09-12-2019, 12:02 AM

Third age?

Mithalwen · 09-12-2019, 03:56 AM

Alive? No
Place? No
Has a name in a language created by Tolkien? No
Object? Yes
First Age? No
Man-made? Yes
Third age? Yes

On a roll...

Urwen · 09-12-2019, 03:59 AM

A sword?

Mithalwen · 09-12-2019, 04:34 AM

Alive? No
Place? No
Has a name in a language created by Tolkien? No
Object? Yes
First Age? No
Man-made? Yes
Third age? Yes
A sword? No.

Huinesoron · 09-12-2019, 04:58 AM

Could it be picked up by Aragorn? (Assuming he was somehow placed directly in front of it.)

hS

Mithalwen · 09-12-2019, 05:04 AM

Alive? No
Place? No
Has a name in a language created by Tolkien? No
Object? Yes
First Age? No
Man-made? Yes
Third age? Yes
A sword? No.
Could it be picked up by Aragorn? Yes

Urwen · 09-12-2019, 05:47 AM

Is it a Hobbit thing?

Mithalwen · 09-12-2019, 06:06 AM

Alive? No
Place? No
Has a name in a language created by Tolkien? No
Object? Yes
First Age? No
Man-made? Yes
Third age? Yes
A sword? No.
Could it be picked up by Aragorn? Yes
Is it a hobbit thing? Again an ambiguous question but no.

Urwen · 09-12-2019, 06:14 AM

Made by Feanor?

Mithalwen · 09-12-2019, 11:42 AM

Alive? No
Place? No
Has a name in a language created by Tolkien? No
Object? Yes
First Age? No
Man-made? Yes
Third age? Yes
A sword? No.
Could it be picked up by Aragorn? Yes
Is it a hobbit thing? Again an ambiguous question but no.
Made by Feanor? No, well neither known to be or likely to be.

Urwen · 09-12-2019, 11:51 AM

Made of wood?

Mithalwen · 09-12-2019, 01:30 PM

Alive? No
Place? No
Has a name in a language created by Tolkien? No
Object? Yes
First Age? No
Man-made? Yes
Third age? Yes
A sword? No.
Could it be picked up by Aragorn? Yes
Is it a hobbit thing? Again an ambiguous question but no.
Made by Feanor? No, well neither known to be or likely to be.
Made of wood? No

Urwen · 09-12-2019, 02:33 PM

A jewel?

Mithalwen · 09-12-2019, 03:58 PM

Alive? No
Place? No
Has a name in a language created by Tolkien? No
Object? Yes
First Age? No
Man-made? Yes
Third age? Yes
A sword? No.
Could it be picked up by Aragorn? Yes
Is it a hobbit thing? Again an ambiguous question but no.
Made by Feanor? No, well neither known to be or likely to be.
Made of wood? No
A Jewel? No

Urwen · 09-12-2019, 11:55 PM

A standard?

Huinesoron · 09-13-2019, 02:20 AM

So what do we know? It's a crafted object, not extant in the First Age but around in the Third. It's small enough and light enough to pick up. It's almost certainly not a weapon - not a sword, not one of the Hobbits' knives, and not a bow or arrow (which would be wooden). It's not made by Feanor, which rules out... the Palantiri, I guess. It's not a jewel, so isn't the Arkenstone (the Elessar was already out by virtue of its name; it's kind of a shame this question didn't say 'jewellery', to get the Rings as well).

It doesn't have an Elvish name, which rules out a lot. While it could be the One Ring, most other things without Elvish names are 'regular use' items. So... hmm.

If it's not wooden, it could be metal, stone, or some form of organic material - cloth, food, paper, something like that. Metal would probably point to a Ring; it could be something like Pippin's brooch, but that would surely be a 'Hobbit thing'. It could also be armour. Stone... you know, I actually can't think of a liftable stone object that isn't already ruled out. Organics could be anything from the Book of Mazarbul to Denethor's dinner. (It could also be Aragorn's standard, but we're going to know that explicitly pretty soon.

)

I like to think in terms of splitting the field in half, rather than trying to rule out specific answers. There's only a few metal answers still viable, only a few stone ones (if any), and not a whole lot of animal-based material ones. Add them together, and they probably equal the plant-based answers, and therefore:

-Is it made of a material that came from plants?

hS

Mithalwen · 09-13-2019, 03:26 AM

Alive? No
Place? No
Has a name in a language created by Tolkien? No
Object? Yes
First Age? No
Man-made? Yes
Third age? Yes
A sword? No.
Could it be picked up by Aragorn? Yes
Is it a hobbit thing? Again an ambiguous question but no.
Made by Feanor? No, well neither known to be or likely to be.
Made of wood? No
A Jewel? No
A standard? No
Huinesoron, to my mind the correct approach especially Were I to be strict about the 20 questions.
Made from material of plant origin? No

Huinesoron · 09-13-2019, 03:46 AM

Right, it's not plant-based. So it's not food, it's not general clothing. It's probably not a document, since I don't think any are explicitly said to be on vellum or something, so I don't think we'd have got a flat 'no' on plant-based.

(We're up to 15 question so far, so if we want to get in under 20, we've got our work cut out for us.)

I'm torn over whether to continue pushing the materials line, or try and narrow down something like use or location. Not knowing how famous this object is makes it tricky - if we're after 'Eowyn's helmet which she used to disguise herself as Dernhelm', asking whether it's something you wear would probably narrow it down faster than checking materials. But if it's something big-name, then finding out whether it's metal (and therefore probably a Ring) or leather (and therefore... I don't even know) would be more useful.

Wait - it's not one of the Rings, because it's only 'not likely to be' made by Feanor, whereas they are known not to be. So it's something without a known maker. Hmm.

Okay, I may regret this question, because I'm not sure it will tell me as much as I'd like, but:

-Is it something that Eowyn could wear? (Again assuming she was placed directly in front of it.)

(Why Eowyn? Why not Eowyn?)

hS

Mithalwen · 09-13-2019, 04:41 AM

Alive? No
Place? No
Has a name in a language created by Tolkien? No
Object? Yes
First Age? No
Man-made? Yes
Third age? Yes
A sword? No.
Could it be picked up by Aragorn? Yes
Is it a hobbit thing? Again an ambiguous question but no.
Made by Feanor? No, well neither known to be or likely to be.
Made of wood? No
A Jewel? No
A standard? No
Made from material of plant origin? No
Could Eowyn wear it? Yes

Urwen · 09-13-2019, 07:38 AM

A helmet?

07-29-2011, 05:48 PM	#7001
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,402	Alive - not in any literal sense Sentient - no Object - not really, ish. I wouldn't call it so. But maybe you could. Physically exists - yes Natural - ... ... ... ...nooo, but one needs to be cautious here as well. It is, in a way. But then again, it isn't, looking at its origins according to the legendarium. Damn it! I will stick to the usual person/place/thing next time and not come up woth something crazy! __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

08-11-2011, 01:53 PM	#7002
Narnangol Animated Skeleton Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Hall of Fire Posts: 42	Is it (can it be) used/handled for a purpose? __________________ A box without hinges, key, or lid, yet golden treasure inside is hid.

08-11-2011, 02:33 PM	#7003
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,402	Alive - not in any literal sense Sentient - no Object - not really, ish. I wouldn't call it so. But maybe you could. Physically exists - yes Natural - ... ... ... ...nooo, but one needs to be cautious here as well. It is, in a way. But then again, it isn't, looking at its origins according to the legendarium. Is it (can it be) used/handled for a purpose? - No, it can't be, and it isn't. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

08-11-2011, 02:37 PM	#7004
Narnangol Animated Skeleton Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Hall of Fire Posts: 42	A clue, perhaps? You seem to have pulled out something very curious for us to guess. __________________ A box without hinges, key, or lid, yet golden treasure inside is hid.

09-10-2019, 07:38 AM	#7006
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	Galadriel, dearheart, do remember what this was or could we perhaps start again? Same rules but after so long and so many pagesI don’t think we need to worry about repeating items. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

09-10-2019, 06:52 PM	#7008
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	Let us know if it comes back to you.. So any questions? __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

09-11-2019, 02:08 AM	#7010
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	A added mystery. Alive? No __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

09-11-2019, 04:00 AM	#7011
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	Place? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

09-11-2019, 07:31 AM	#7012
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	Alive? No Place? No __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

09-11-2019, 07:54 AM	#7013
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,910	Does it have a name in one of Tolkien's created languages? hS

09-11-2019, 08:01 AM	#7014
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	interesting question. Alive? No Place? No Has a name in a language created by Tolkien? No __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

09-11-2019, 09:08 AM	#7015
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	Object? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

09-11-2019, 09:41 AM	#7016
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	Indeed Alive? No Place? No Has a name in a language created by Tolkien? No Object? Yes __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

09-11-2019, 01:09 PM	#7017
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	First age? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

09-11-2019, 02:03 PM	#7018
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	Alive? No Place? No Has a name in a language created by Tolkien? No Object? Yes First Age? No __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

09-11-2019, 05:30 PM	#7019
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,402	Man-made? __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

09-11-2019, 06:05 PM	#7020
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	Alive? No Place? No Has a name in a language created by Tolkien? No Object? Yes First Age? No Man-made? Yes although a somewhat ambiguous question in Tokien’s Legendarium! __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

09-12-2019, 12:02 AM	#7021
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	Third age? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

09-12-2019, 03:56 AM	#7022
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	Alive? No Place? No Has a name in a language created by Tolkien? No Object? Yes First Age? No Man-made? Yes Third age? Yes On a roll... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

09-12-2019, 03:59 AM	#7023
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	A sword? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

09-12-2019, 04:34 AM	#7024
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	Alive? No Place? No Has a name in a language created by Tolkien? No Object? Yes First Age? No Man-made? Yes Third age? Yes A sword? No. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

09-12-2019, 04:58 AM	#7025
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,910	Could it be picked up by Aragorn? (Assuming he was somehow placed directly in front of it.) hS

09-12-2019, 05:04 AM	#7026
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	Alive? No Place? No Has a name in a language created by Tolkien? No Object? Yes First Age? No Man-made? Yes Third age? Yes A sword? No. Could it be picked up by Aragorn? Yes __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

09-12-2019, 05:47 AM	#7027
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	Is it a Hobbit thing? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

09-12-2019, 06:06 AM	#7028
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	Alive? No Place? No Has a name in a language created by Tolkien? No Object? Yes First Age? No Man-made? Yes Third age? Yes A sword? No. Could it be picked up by Aragorn? Yes Is it a hobbit thing? Again an ambiguous question but no. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

09-12-2019, 06:14 AM	#7029
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	Made by Feanor? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

09-12-2019, 11:42 AM	#7030
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	Alive? No Place? No Has a name in a language created by Tolkien? No Object? Yes First Age? No Man-made? Yes Third age? Yes A sword? No. Could it be picked up by Aragorn? Yes Is it a hobbit thing? Again an ambiguous question but no. Made by Feanor? No, well neither known to be or likely to be. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

09-12-2019, 11:51 AM	#7031
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	Made of wood? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

09-12-2019, 01:30 PM	#7032
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	Alive? No Place? No Has a name in a language created by Tolkien? No Object? Yes First Age? No Man-made? Yes Third age? Yes A sword? No. Could it be picked up by Aragorn? Yes Is it a hobbit thing? Again an ambiguous question but no. Made by Feanor? No, well neither known to be or likely to be. Made of wood? No __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

09-12-2019, 02:33 PM	#7033
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	A jewel? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

09-12-2019, 03:58 PM	#7034
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	Alive? No Place? No Has a name in a language created by Tolkien? No Object? Yes First Age? No Man-made? Yes Third age? Yes A sword? No. Could it be picked up by Aragorn? Yes Is it a hobbit thing? Again an ambiguous question but no. Made by Feanor? No, well neither known to be or likely to be. Made of wood? No A Jewel? No __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

09-12-2019, 11:55 PM	#7035
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	A standard? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

09-13-2019, 02:20 AM	#7036
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,910	So what do we know? It's a crafted object, not extant in the First Age but around in the Third. It's small enough and light enough to pick up. It's almost certainly not a weapon - not a sword, not one of the Hobbits' knives, and not a bow or arrow (which would be wooden). It's not made by Feanor, which rules out... the Palantiri, I guess. It's not a jewel, so isn't the Arkenstone (the Elessar was already out by virtue of its name; it's kind of a shame this question didn't say 'jewellery', to get the Rings as well). It doesn't have an Elvish name, which rules out a lot. While it could be the One Ring, most other things without Elvish names are 'regular use' items. So... hmm. If it's not wooden, it could be metal, stone, or some form of organic material - cloth, food, paper, something like that. Metal would probably point to a Ring; it could be something like Pippin's brooch, but that would surely be a 'Hobbit thing'. It could also be armour. Stone... you know, I actually can't think of a liftable stone object that isn't already ruled out. Organics could be anything from the Book of Mazarbul to Denethor's dinner. (It could also be Aragorn's standard, but we're going to know that explicitly pretty soon. ) I like to think in terms of splitting the field in half, rather than trying to rule out specific answers. There's only a few metal answers still viable, only a few stone ones (if any), and not a whole lot of animal-based material ones. Add them together, and they probably equal the plant-based answers, and therefore: -Is it made of a material that came from plants? hS

09-13-2019, 03:26 AM	#7037
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	Alive? No Place? No Has a name in a language created by Tolkien? No Object? Yes First Age? No Man-made? Yes Third age? Yes A sword? No. Could it be picked up by Aragorn? Yes Is it a hobbit thing? Again an ambiguous question but no. Made by Feanor? No, well neither known to be or likely to be. Made of wood? No A Jewel? No A standard? No Huinesoron, to my mind the correct approach especially Were I to be strict about the 20 questions. Made from material of plant origin? No __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

09-13-2019, 03:46 AM	#7038
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,910	Right, it's not plant-based. So it's not food, it's not general clothing. It's probably not a document, since I don't think any are explicitly said to be on vellum or something, so I don't think we'd have got a flat 'no' on plant-based. (We're up to 15 question so far, so if we want to get in under 20, we've got our work cut out for us.) I'm torn over whether to continue pushing the materials line, or try and narrow down something like use or location. Not knowing how famous this object is makes it tricky - if we're after 'Eowyn's helmet which she used to disguise herself as Dernhelm', asking whether it's something you wear would probably narrow it down faster than checking materials. But if it's something big-name, then finding out whether it's metal (and therefore probably a Ring) or leather (and therefore... I don't even know) would be more useful. Wait - it's not one of the Rings, because it's only 'not likely to be' made by Feanor, whereas they are known not to be. So it's something without a known maker. Hmm. Okay, I may regret this question, because I'm not sure it will tell me as much as I'd like, but: -Is it something that Eowyn could wear? (Again assuming she was placed directly in front of it.) (Why Eowyn? Why not Eowyn?) hS