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Galadriel55 · 01-02-2011, 07:13 PM

Person - no
Place - no
Is it alive - no
Object - no
Law/ban - no
Natural - good question. No.
Doom/curse - no, but it's getting a little warmer.

Law/ban is also on the right track. The approach is right.

Ironfoot · 01-02-2011, 08:47 PM

Is it the Girdle of Melian?

Tuor in Gondolin · 01-02-2011, 10:13 PM

Was it enacted by one of the valar?

Galadriel55 · 01-03-2011, 06:18 AM

Person - no
Place - no
Is it alive - no
Object - no
Law/ban - no
Natural - good question. No.
Doom/curse - no
Girdle of Melian - no, but its the closest answer so far.

Enacted by a Vala - possibly. I doubt that they were the first ones to ever "use" this.

Blind Guardian · 01-03-2011, 07:26 PM

Oath?

Galadriel55 · 01-03-2011, 07:36 PM

Person - no
Place - no
Is it alive - no
Object - no
Law/ban - no
Natural - good question. No.
Doom/curse - no
Girdle of Melian - no, but its the closest answer so far.
Enacted by a Vala - possibly. I doubt that they were the first ones to ever "use" this.
Oath - no, but getting closer

Ironfoot · 01-03-2011, 08:19 PM

So it isnt anything really, but just a concept, an idea of it being there. Something akin to an object and a law/ban, but not in the literal sense. Reminds me of *drumrolls* The Doors of Night!

Blind Guardian · 01-03-2011, 08:21 PM

Oath of...Feänor?

Galadriel55 · 01-03-2011, 08:47 PM

Person - no
Place - no
Is it alive - no
Object - no
Law/ban - no
Natural - good question. No.
Doom/curse - no
Girdle of Melian - no, but its the closest answer so far.
Enacted by a Vala - possibly. I doubt that they were the first ones to ever "use" this.
Oath - no, but getting closer
Doors of Night - no, but also in the right direction.
Oath of Feanor - I said it's not an oath.

Time for another hint, perhaps. There are different kinds of concepts. There are abstract-concepts, like love and belief, that you can't really illustrate or imagine in a physical form; you just understand them (or don't). There are also those that, well, are more physical, like Girdle of Melian and Doors of Night. Although you can't really see/feel/etc them, they have a definite place, or a substence (not in these examples, though), or something else sort-of-physical in them. The thing I'm thinking of is the second kind of concept.
Also, the approach is more correct with the Girdle of Melian and The Doors of Night, but "oath" is closer in the sense of what it consists of...

It is so hard to give clues that aren't going to confuse others but won't give away the answer! Please tell me if you need clarification of this clue, and I'll try my best to give a better explanation.

Tuor in Gondolin · 01-04-2011, 09:14 AM

Created/originated by Iluvatar?

Galadriel55 · 01-04-2011, 04:13 PM

Person - no
Place - no
Is it alive - no
Object - no
Law/ban - no
Natural - good question. No.
Doom/curse - no
Girdle of Melian - no, but its the closest answer so far.
Enacted by a Vala - possibly. I doubt that they were the first ones to ever "use" this.
Oath - no, but getting closer
Doors of Night - no, but also in the right direction.
Oath of Feanor - I said it's not an oath.
Created/originated by Iluvatar - no

Ironfoot · 01-05-2011, 04:02 AM

Is it...the Void?

Galadriel55 · 01-05-2011, 04:12 PM

Void - no, but another good guess.

This thing doesn't have a specific location, but it can be described with words fairly well.

Blind Guardian · 01-05-2011, 07:02 PM

Timeless Halls?

Galadriel55 · 01-05-2011, 07:08 PM

Timeless Halls - no

What other clues can I give? This is so frustrating!!!
OK, here's another one. This thing is composed of a bunch of other things that we all (or nearly all) use everyday, probably without realizing that we are casually throwing about "small concepts".
For the sake of easier guessing, I'll tell this one right away: this is NOT a place/location concept. That should narrow the search down a bit

.
And remember my previous clue - it can be described with words

Blind Guardian · 01-05-2011, 07:32 PM

The boundary that keeps the Men out of Valinor?

Galadriel55 · 01-05-2011, 07:39 PM

The boundary that keeps the Men out of Valinor - no.
I meant that "place" is not involved anyhow (except that we can rule out where the thing originated

)

Blind Guardian · 01-06-2011, 11:13 AM

WHAT ELSE IS THERE?!?!

Oh I give up, what is it?

Blind Guardian · 01-06-2011, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Timeless Halls - no

What other clues can I give? This is so frustrating!!!
OK, here's another one. This thing is composed of a bunch of other things that we all (or nearly all) use everyday, probably without realizing that we are casually throwing about "small concepts".
For the sake of easier guessing, I'll tell this one right away: this is NOT a place/location concept. That should narrow the search down a bit

.
And remember my previous clue - it can be described with words

*just saw this*

Oh so it's like a border of something, like Texas and New Mexico...?

That said is this 'border' in/near/general region of Middle-Earth?

Galadriel55 · 01-06-2011, 04:28 PM

It is not a border. A border involves place, being the separation of two places. This does not have anything in common with a place except for the place of origin.

Blind Guardian · 01-06-2011, 04:48 PM

I hate you.

I just don't know. What is it?

It is made of a whole bunch of small things that we use everyday and it is not in the place that it is in is not the same/unknown...what describes this...? The Walls of the World? Mandos? Ulmo's home?!? The ocean? WHAT?!

Galadriel55 · 01-06-2011, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

I hate you.

Why thank 'ee!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

It is made of a whole bunch of small things that we use everyday and it is not in the place that it is in is not the same/unknown

That doesn't make any sense even to me! No wonder you can't guess it! Have I been that bad at giving clues?

Just to clarify:
It is not a location/place.
It is a consept.
It is made up of "small concepts" that we use every day.
It can be described with words (this clue is particularly significant!!!)

I'll wait for another few days to see if anyone has more guesses, and then I'll tell what it is.

Blind Guardian · 01-06-2011, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Why thank 'ee!

That doesn't make any sense even to me! No wonder you can't guess it! Have I been that bad at giving clues?

Just to clarify:
It is not a location/place.
It is a consept.
It is made up of "small concepts" that we use every day.
It can be described with words (this clue is particularly significant!!!)

I'll wait for another few days to see if anyone has more guesses, and then I'll tell what it is.

Well thank you, that helped...

Actually it did!

Is it an illusion? Like...Lammoth?

Ironfoot · 01-07-2011, 01:19 AM

Foresight?

Galadriel55 · 01-07-2011, 06:18 AM

Both are very good guesses, but no to both (neither foresight not lammoth-echo). I see you got the idea about no-location-significance. Now think - what could one use basically anywhere? (I wouldn't say it is used everywhere, but it could be). Also, there's a very good reason why I said that it could be decribed with words, rather that, let's say, pictures.

Pitchwife · 01-07-2011, 12:35 PM

Since you keep insisting that it can be described with words, is it perhaps made with words, like e.g. a poem?

Galadriel55 · 01-07-2011, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Since you keep insisting that it can be described with words, is it perhaps made with words?

THREE CHEERS FOR PITCHWIFE!!!!!!!!!!
Yes it is!!! In fact, the poem guess is quite close - things like this one usually start out as poems, though not always.
And now you know exactly what category to guess from.

Good job, Pitch!!!

Pitchwife · 01-11-2011, 03:29 PM

A prophecy?

Galadriel55 · 01-11-2011, 04:16 PM

Prophecy - no, you were closer with the poem.

Pitchwife · 01-11-2011, 04:53 PM

A riddle?

Galadriel55 · 01-11-2011, 05:13 PM

riddle - no, poem is still the closest. And as I said, there is a possibility that it is in fact a poem, but I have no evidence of such or otherwise.

Blind Guardian · 01-11-2011, 10:47 PM

Here's one-what does the Gridle of Milan, poems, and being close have anything to do with one another? No, really...

*sighs* Is it truly like a poem? Is there words in it?
Was it said in LotR?

Galadriel55 · 01-12-2011, 06:18 AM

Yes, it is truly like a poem, and perhaps it is a poem, but no one knows for sure.
Yes it is made with words.
It wasn't specifically said by anyone in LOTR, however, the likes of it were.
The Girdle of Melian was closest before Pitch guessed that it's made with words.

Now it's replaced by poem.

Pitchwife · 01-12-2011, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

[...] the Gridle of Milan[...]

Ah, there's nothing like a real Italian pizza hot from the Griddle of Milan!

Hm, the purpose of Melian's Girdle (as well as the Doors of Night, which you said was also a good guess) was to keep enemies (or The Enemy) out, so maybe a password?

Galadriel55 · 01-12-2011, 10:49 AM

No, not a password.
Girdle of Melian and Doors of Night were in the right direction because of the "thinking process", not the actual answer.

Pitchwife · 01-12-2011, 11:54 AM

A magic spell?

Galadriel55 · 01-12-2011, 04:25 PM

Magic spell - no, poem is still the closest. Pitch was THAT close to guessing it when he said poem, and now you are going farther away again. Think: what could be a poem, but is ore than that?

Pitchwife · 01-12-2011, 04:56 PM

A song?

Galadriel55 · 01-12-2011, 05:46 PM

A song - YOU ARE CORRECT AGAIN, PITCH!!!

Pitchwife · 01-13-2011, 07:55 AM

Ah, now we're getting somewhere. We already know it wasn't sung in LotR, so:
Was it sung by an Elf?

01-02-2011, 07:13 PM	#6001
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,402	Person - no Place - no Is it alive - no Object - no Law/ban - no Natural - good question. No. Doom/curse - no, but it's getting a little warmer. Law/ban is also on the right track. The approach is right. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera Last edited by Galadriel55; 01-02-2011 at 07:53 PM.

01-02-2011, 10:13 PM	#6003
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	Was it enacted by one of the valar? __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

01-03-2011, 06:18 AM	#6004
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,402	Person - no Place - no Is it alive - no Object - no Law/ban - no Natural - good question. No. Doom/curse - no Girdle of Melian - no, but its the closest answer so far. Enacted by a Vala - possibly. I doubt that they were the first ones to ever "use" this. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera Last edited by Galadriel55; 01-03-2011 at 04:28 PM.

01-03-2011, 07:36 PM	#6006
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,402	Person - no Place - no Is it alive - no Object - no Law/ban - no Natural - good question. No. Doom/curse - no Girdle of Melian - no, but its the closest answer so far. Enacted by a Vala - possibly. I doubt that they were the first ones to ever "use" this. Oath - no, but getting closer __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

01-03-2011, 08:47 PM	#6009
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,402	Person - no Place - no Is it alive - no Object - no Law/ban - no Natural - good question. No. Doom/curse - no Girdle of Melian - no, but its the closest answer so far. Enacted by a Vala - possibly. I doubt that they were the first ones to ever "use" this. Oath - no, but getting closer Doors of Night - no, but also in the right direction. Oath of Feanor - I said it's not an oath. Time for another hint, perhaps. There are different kinds of concepts. There are abstract-concepts, like love and belief, that you can't really illustrate or imagine in a physical form; you just understand them (or don't). There are also those that, well, are more physical, like Girdle of Melian and Doors of Night. Although you can't really see/feel/etc them, they have a definite place, or a substence (not in these examples, though), or something else sort-of-physical in them. The thing I'm thinking of is the second kind of concept. Also, the approach is more correct with the Girdle of Melian and The Doors of Night, but "oath" is closer in the sense of what it consists of... It is so hard to give clues that aren't going to confuse others but won't give away the answer! Please tell me if you need clarification of this clue, and I'll try my best to give a better explanation. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

01-02-2011, 08:47 PM	#6002
Ironfoot Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 21	Is it the Girdle of Melian?

01-03-2011, 08:19 PM	#6007
Ironfoot Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 21	So it isnt anything really, but just a concept, an idea of it being there. Something akin to an object and a law/ban, but not in the literal sense. Reminds me of drumrolls The Doors of Night!

01-04-2011, 09:14 AM	#6010
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	Created/originated by Iluvatar? __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

01-04-2011, 04:13 PM	#6011
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,402	Person - no Place - no Is it alive - no Object - no Law/ban - no Natural - good question. No. Doom/curse - no Girdle of Melian - no, but its the closest answer so far. Enacted by a Vala - possibly. I doubt that they were the first ones to ever "use" this. Oath - no, but getting closer Doors of Night - no, but also in the right direction. Oath of Feanor - I said it's not an oath. Created/originated by Iluvatar - no __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

01-05-2011, 04:02 AM	#6012
Ironfoot Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 21	Is it...the Void?

01-05-2011, 04:12 PM	#6013
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,402	Void - no, but another good guess. This thing doesn't have a specific location, but it can be described with words fairly well. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

01-05-2011, 07:08 PM	#6015
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,402	Timeless Halls - no What other clues can I give? This is so frustrating!!! OK, here's another one. This thing is composed of a bunch of other things that we all (or nearly all) use everyday, probably without realizing that we are casually throwing about "small concepts". For the sake of easier guessing, I'll tell this one right away: this is NOT a place/location concept. That should narrow the search down a bit . And remember my previous clue - it can be described with words __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera Last edited by Galadriel55; 01-05-2011 at 07:16 PM.

01-05-2011, 07:39 PM	#6017
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,402	The boundary that keeps the Men out of Valinor - no. I meant that "place" is not involved anyhow (except that we can rule out where the thing originated ) __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

01-06-2011, 04:28 PM	#6020
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,402	It is not a border. A border involves place, being the separation of two places. This does not have anything in common with a place except for the place of origin. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

01-07-2011, 01:19 AM	#6024
Ironfoot Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 21	Foresight?

01-07-2011, 06:18 AM	#6025
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,402	Both are very good guesses, but no to both (neither foresight not lammoth-echo). I see you got the idea about no-location-significance. Now think - what could one use basically anywhere? (I wouldn't say it is used everywhere, but it could be). Also, there's a very good reason why I said that it could be decribed with words, rather that, let's say, pictures. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera Last edited by Galadriel55; 01-07-2011 at 06:22 AM.

01-07-2011, 12:35 PM	#6026
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	Since you keep insisting that it can be described with words, is it perhaps made with words, like e.g. a poem? __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

01-11-2011, 03:29 PM	#6028
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	A prophecy? __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

01-11-2011, 04:16 PM	#6029
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,402	Prophecy - no, you were closer with the poem. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

01-11-2011, 04:53 PM	#6030
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	A riddle? __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

01-11-2011, 05:13 PM	#6031
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,402	riddle - no, poem is still the closest. And as I said, there is a possibility that it is in fact a poem, but I have no evidence of such or otherwise. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

01-12-2011, 06:18 AM	#6033
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,402	Yes, it is truly like a poem, and perhaps it is a poem, but no one knows for sure. Yes it is made with words. It wasn't specifically said by anyone in LOTR, however, the likes of it were. The Girdle of Melian was closest before Pitch guessed that it's made with words. Now it's replaced by poem. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

01-12-2011, 10:49 AM	#6035
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,402	No, not a password. Girdle of Melian and Doors of Night were in the right direction because of the "thinking process", not the actual answer. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

01-12-2011, 11:54 AM	#6036
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	A magic spell? __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

01-12-2011, 04:25 PM	#6037
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,402	Magic spell - no, poem is still the closest. Pitch was THAT close to guessing it when he said poem, and now you are going farther away again. Think: what could be a poem, but is ore than that? __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

01-12-2011, 04:56 PM	#6038
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	A song? __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

01-12-2011, 05:46 PM	#6039
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,402	A song - YOU ARE CORRECT AGAIN, PITCH!!! __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

01-13-2011, 07:55 AM	#6040
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	Ah, now we're getting somewhere. We already know it wasn't sung in LotR, so: Was it sung by an Elf? __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI