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09-12-2003, 12:54 AM | #1 |
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elves and death
I'm not quite sure what happens after an elf actually dies, for example in battle? Is it like a passing into something different? Do they have normal burials? What happens? I'm confused, if anyone can explain it to me, I'd be greatly appreciated. Thanks, AL
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09-12-2003, 01:26 AM | #2 |
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All I know is that they donot pass out of the circles of the world. They donot leave time. They are to remain, even in death. But about burials I have no idea. Read the Letters of JRR Tolkien and you will find some answers there.
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09-12-2003, 08:41 AM | #3 |
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So Elves can die but only when someone tries to kill them? But otherwise they are immortal? PLease explain somebody!!! [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]
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09-12-2003, 09:01 AM | #4 |
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Elves can die if they are slain , or they can die from grieve. They can also choose to become mortal, like men.
If an elve dies, it isn't really the same as when a man does. His physical shell becomes empty and his spirit is reincarnated in the halls of Mandos. After an indeterminated period of time, they can, in some cases, return, but it is not certain what causes this period to end, little is known about that. I hope this helpes a little... [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]
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09-12-2003, 12:51 PM | #5 | ||
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I am sorry but only the half elves could choose to be mortal or not. The only Elf who actually died was Lutien. And only with a direct act of Iluvitar(God). Most would either be reincarnated or their sprits would remain. They couldn't just die as men do. Men pass out of time, while the Elves don't.
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09-12-2003, 01:12 PM | #6 |
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Thanks for correcting me!!
I gave a very poor and incorrect explanation ... [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]
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09-12-2003, 02:50 PM | #7 |
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Hmmm...interesting. What of the elves that pass before them? Do they meet again or is it like a solitary wandering?
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The choice was not automatic upon them having Elvish blood. The ancestors of the line of Dol Amroth were not given the choice. Neither were the offspring of those who chose mortality (the children of Elros and of Aragorn and Arwen, for example).
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09-13-2003, 11:53 AM | #9 | ||
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Well to clarafy, if a Half - elf chooses mortality then his children will be mortal and so on. If a half- elf choses the fate of the elves then his children have the choice. I think that is how it works.
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