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08-29-2003, 01:34 AM

The books tell us, that Aragorn is Isildurs heir and that he is Arathorn's son. But I have to confess I don't know anything about Aragorn's father, when he died or why he wasn't king of Gondor, cause as Aragorn's father he must have been a heir to Isildur, too. Who knows more?

Gwaihir the Windlord · 08-29-2003, 02:09 AM

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The answer to your question is found in the Appendices, but I'll explain it in brief here. After the death of Ondoher of Gondor and his sons, Arvedui -- the last king of the Numenorean North-Kingdom Arnor (the ruined kingdom; have a look at your LotR map), made a claim on the throne of Gondor; thus the two kingdoms of Arnor and Gondor would be united, and under the man who could claim the most clear link to the throne (Arvedui, being a king of the North-Kingdom, was descended from Isildur Elendil's son; the kings of Gondor traced their line from Anarion his second son).

The claim was rejected, and the throne givin to the victorious royally-linked Gondorian general, Earnil, instead. The next year Arnor was overrun by Angmar and vanquished. Arvedui perished afterwards trying to escape by sea, in a massive storm. A huge Gondorian force, under Earnur Earnil's son, then joined up with the Elves of Lindon (the Second Last Alliance [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]?) to destroy the armies of Angmar, but they could not rebuild Arnor and the North was left desolate.

However Arvedui's son had survived, and thus the line of Elendil was preserved in the North unbroken -- by the Chieftans of the Rangers, the wandering Dunedain of the North who survived the ruin of Arnor. They were allied with Rivendell and secretly guarded Eriador.

When Earnur was killed in Gondor without an heir, the rule of the Stewards began. The existence of the northern Chieftans was unknown for long, and if it eventually was was ignored in the face of greater problems. Thus Arathorn was a Northern Chieftan and not a king.

Aragorn II, his son, was the one that rose up and took the crown of Gondor. Mordor defeated, the kingdoms of Arnor (rebuilt soon after), to whom Aragorn was the rightful heir through Arvedui, and Gondor of Elendil, were united under his High-Kingship.

The proposal of Arvedui thus happened eventually, but not for a long while.

Arothir · 08-29-2003, 03:51 PM

i believe Arathorn was slain in battle around 2930 with the Orcs

Horse-Maiden of the Shire · 08-29-2003, 11:05 PM

Yes, Arathorn was slain in battle when an arrow pierced his eye.

Arothir · 08-30-2003, 03:46 PM

Was Arathorn directly descended from Isildur? I can't remember if there was ever a Kinstrife in Eriador or childless rulers.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 08-31-2003, 12:23 PM

Well, again this can be found in appendix A to The Lord of the Rings, but yes. Aragorn was Isildur's direct descendant in the male line, the succession having remained unbroken among the Northern Dúnedain. No childless rulers are mentioned, although there was some strife between Arthedain, Rhudaur and Cardolan following the division of the kingdom, largely over the possession of Amon Sûl.

Most of the history of Gondor and Arnor can be found in Appendix A to The Lord of the Rings, sections ii, iii and iv. For future reference, basic questions like this ought to be posed in Novices and Newcomers.

lore_master · 09-07-2003, 02:48 PM

since Aragorn was only 2 when Arathorn died, who then became cheiftain, or regent lord of the Dunedain?

also when did Aragorn and Gelrion(sp?) his mother leave for rivendell?

Meela · 09-07-2003, 02:58 PM

Gilraen.

Was Aragorn taken straight to Rivendell after his father died? When he was 2? I would answer directly but I am unsure whether I am right.

Cinderella · 09-07-2003, 06:50 PM

You are correct Meela, according to the appendices Aragorn and Gilraen went to Rivendell when Aragorn was 2, the same year his father Arathorn is slain.

Snowdog · 09-07-2003, 11:24 PM

.. There is no record of who commanded the Dúnedain Rangers in the absence of a Chieftain, which was the title given only to the eldest line of Isildur. I would presume that command would fall to the senior captain at the time.

ArathorofBarahir · 10-08-2003, 10:12 AM

Didn't Aragorn's Father die after Gilrain took Aragorn to Rivendell.

Finwe · 10-08-2003, 08:12 PM

I'm assuming that after the family reached Rivendell, Arathorn went out upon errantry with Elladan and Elrohir, and that was when he got shot with the Orc arrow. Elrond (due to a certain amount of guilt to be sure) probably offered Gilraen (and Aragorn) a secure, safe place to stay, knowing that the forces of evil would come after Aragorn soon.

08-29-2003, 01:34 AM	#1
Brishtog the Dispoiler Guest Posts: n/a	Aragorn's father The books tell us, that Aragorn is Isildurs heir and that he is Arathorn's son. But I have to confess I don't know anything about Aragorn's father, when he died or why he wasn't king of Gondor, cause as Aragorn's father he must have been a heir to Isildur, too. Who knows more?

08-29-2003, 03:51 PM	#3
Arothir Wight Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: the Realm of Nargothrond beyond Narog Posts: 163	i believe Arathorn was slain in battle around 2930 with the Orcs __________________ Then Felagund upon the head of Arothir set it: "Nephew mine, till I return this crown is thine."

08-29-2003, 11:05 PM	#4
Horse-Maiden of the Shire Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Chillaxin' with Glorfindel-441 miles on the RtR Posts: 1,197	Yes, Arathorn was slain in battle when an arrow pierced his eye. __________________ "There's a big...machine in the sky...some kind of electric snake...coming straight at us." "Shoot it," said my attorney. "Not yet...I want to study its habits."

08-30-2003, 03:46 PM	#5
Arothir Wight Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: the Realm of Nargothrond beyond Narog Posts: 163	Was Arathorn directly descended from Isildur? I can't remember if there was ever a Kinstrife in Eriador or childless rulers. __________________ Then Felagund upon the head of Arothir set it: "Nephew mine, till I return this crown is thine."

08-31-2003, 12:23 PM	#6
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Well, again this can be found in appendix A to The Lord of the Rings, but yes. Aragorn was Isildur's direct descendant in the male line, the succession having remained unbroken among the Northern Dúnedain. No childless rulers are mentioned, although there was some strife between Arthedain, Rhudaur and Cardolan following the division of the kingdom, largely over the possession of Amon Sûl. Most of the history of Gondor and Arnor can be found in Appendix A to The Lord of the Rings, sections ii, iii and iv. For future reference, basic questions like this ought to be posed in Novices and Newcomers. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

08-29-2003, 02:09 AM	#2
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	Quite a lot of people, you'll find. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Welcome to the forum, hope you enjoy it here... certainly you will find a source of ready Tolkien lore to fulfil your most fervent desires, if that is what you seek. The answer to your question is found in the Appendices, but I'll explain it in brief here. After the death of Ondoher of Gondor and his sons, Arvedui -- the last king of the Numenorean North-Kingdom Arnor (the ruined kingdom; have a look at your LotR map), made a claim on the throne of Gondor; thus the two kingdoms of Arnor and Gondor would be united, and under the man who could claim the most clear link to the throne (Arvedui, being a king of the North-Kingdom, was descended from Isildur Elendil's son; the kings of Gondor traced their line from Anarion his second son). The claim was rejected, and the throne givin to the victorious royally-linked Gondorian general, Earnil, instead. The next year Arnor was overrun by Angmar and vanquished. Arvedui perished afterwards trying to escape by sea, in a massive storm. A huge Gondorian force, under Earnur Earnil's son, then joined up with the Elves of Lindon (the Second Last Alliance [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]?) to destroy the armies of Angmar, but they could not rebuild Arnor and the North was left desolate. However Arvedui's son had survived, and thus the line of Elendil was preserved in the North unbroken -- by the Chieftans of the Rangers, the wandering Dunedain of the North who survived the ruin of Arnor. They were allied with Rivendell and secretly guarded Eriador. When Earnur was killed in Gondor without an heir, the rule of the Stewards began. The existence of the northern Chieftans was unknown for long, and if it eventually was was ignored in the face of greater problems. Thus Arathorn was a Northern Chieftan and not a king. Aragorn II, his son, was the one that rose up and took the crown of Gondor. Mordor defeated, the kingdoms of Arnor (rebuilt soon after), to whom Aragorn was the rightful heir through Arvedui, and Gondor of Elendil, were united under his High-Kingship. The proposal of Arvedui thus happened eventually, but not for a long while.

09-07-2003, 02:48 PM	#7
lore_master Wight Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Valhalla Posts: 116	since Aragorn was only 2 when Arathorn died, who then became cheiftain, or regent lord of the Dunedain? also when did Aragorn and Gelrion(sp?) his mother leave for rivendell? __________________ As you go the way of life, you will see a great chasm. Jump. It is not as wide as you think

09-07-2003, 02:58 PM	#8
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	Gilraen. Was Aragorn taken straight to Rivendell after his father died? When he was 2? I would answer directly but I am unsure whether I am right. __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

09-07-2003, 06:50 PM	#9
Cinderella Wight Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Arda Unmarred, MA Posts: 173	You are correct Meela, according to the appendices Aragorn and Gilraen went to Rivendell when Aragorn was 2, the same year his father Arathorn is slain. __________________ These violent delights have violent ends... "Live fast, die young, and have a beautiful looking corpse." -J. Dean

09-07-2003, 11:24 PM	#10
Snowdog Emperor of the South Pole Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Western Shore of Lake Evendim Posts: 632	.. There is no record of who commanded the Dúnedain Rangers in the absence of a Chieftain, which was the title given only to the eldest line of Isildur. I would presume that command would fall to the senior captain at the time.

10-08-2003, 10:12 AM	#11
ArathorofBarahir Wight Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Crickhallow Posts: 247	Didn't Aragorn's Father die after Gilrain took Aragorn to Rivendell. __________________ King of the Dead: The dead do not suffer the living to pass. Aragorn: You will suffer me.

10-08-2003, 08:12 PM	#12
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	I'm assuming that after the family reached Rivendell, Arathorn went out upon errantry with Elladan and Elrohir, and that was when he got shot with the Orc arrow. Elrond (due to a certain amount of guilt to be sure) probably offered Gilraen (and Aragorn) a secure, safe place to stay, knowing that the forces of evil would come after Aragorn soon. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.