Werewolf LIII: The Republic

[Thinlómien]

Something sad happened and I've been rather down all day, so I couldn't bring myself to actually start thinking about stuff like "who's the last werewolf" but now I feel a little better and will do my best to do something. So, without further whining...

Well, first off, I'm more than surprised to see that this game is still going on. As you might have noticed, I was rather confident that Gwath was our last wolf. Whoever is our last wolf is doing rather convincing job.

I think we shouldn't make too much out of the lack of a kill. It could mean basically anything and we are just going to distract ourselves if we concentrate on it.

Yeah, that wasn't much, I know. I'll be back soon to say more stuff. Meanwhile, I'll let Greenie post.

[A Little Green]

I just had the worst day in a long while - I don't know how much I'll post toDay. It was lovely, though, that there was a break so I didn't miss much during my time in Paris.

Now to topic, then - I'm surprised that Gwath wasn't guilty, but then, my instincts have been horribly wrong all game. *sigh* I should probably make a list - the ones who are left all seem innocentish to me. Yeah, I probably make a list and then vote a rep. Just by intuition I'd say Lommy and Rune at least are innocent. Yes and Lommy, I'd love to know what that factual evidence is if you only could share it.

Anyone around?

[A Little Green]

I'M QUITE CONVINCED ARE INNOCENT:
Lommy
Nerwen
Rune
They all seem very innocentish. (Ah what a reason!) Yeah, that's just the general feel I get from their posts. They have good points, react genuinely to things and act reasonably.

I'M NOT CONVINCED ARE INNOCENT:
Kath - I have lost my once-good read on her. I no longer am so sure of her innocence, but I still think she's not the last wolf. (I see I'm not making any sense whatsoever. I'm having a bit of fever and very tired and not quite feeling myself anyway. Ah well.) She brought up good points yesterDay, though.
Brinniel - People have brought up good points about her. Let's say I don't know right now. I don't suspect her, but am not convinced she's innocent, either.
Gil-Galad - I can't be convinced either way with the lack of evidence.
Ilya - Still under my Rudolph, I'm afraid. She's the one I'm most uncomfortable with right now, mainly because I feel generally quite good about the others.

I'm going to sleep soon. Sorry to be like this, but I'm really too tired and confused with everything to concentrate more.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Girls, do you want me to pause the game to give you some time? Please let me know...

[A Little Green]

I see there's no one else here - a pity, I'd have liked to have a chat with someone before leaving and hear a bit about who you others are voting for rep. Well, no can do.

++ Rune for rep

Content, eh? Now really, I'm quite convinced of his innocence and trust his judgement (even though it's been almost as bad as mine... ).

I'm off to bed. I'll try to be more active toMorrow, but for now good night.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Fea

Girls, do you want me to pause the game to give you some time? Please let me know...

Thanks Fea for asking that but I think that's unnecessary - we'll be alright...

Originally Posted by Greenie

Yes and Lommy, I'd love to know what that factual evidence is if you only could share it.

I've shared it when it's appeared, but I'll gather it for you to one single post. Maybe going through them will also prove which one of them is wrong.

Ok, I'll do that next. That's a place to start.

[Thinlómien]

Ilya

Originally Posted by me

This

caught my eye. Could this hint that Ilya is innocent since morm knows so little about her and one could assume he would know his fellow wolf's gender and whether she's a first-timer or not? But surely, it could be just bluff as well... (I remember I was once a wolf with xyzzy and while I was lynched early on he got really far because he pretended to be confused about something related to me, asking "who's Lommy", or something like that.)

Nerwen

Originally Posted by me

I wonder if wolf-Nerwen and wolf-morm would have started such a fight with each other. As far as I know, they don't know each other particularily well, so the possibility of a beforehand-planned wolf-on-wolf fight seems less probable... Also, morm almost got her lynched. I don't know if the wolves would have taken such a risk for no obvious benefits...

Rune

Originally Posted by me

Rune seems more innocent of the two, though. There are some wuotes that make me think he's innocent. Like this:

Would a wolf say this about a fellow? Spotlight the fact that his fellow has avoided making any ties to him? I don't think so...

Kath

Originally Posted by Brinn

And Kath looks more innocent because unless she didn't get the Nightly PMs, I don't see how she could miss Legate's death without bluffing (and I don't think she would).

Gil

Originally Posted by Kath

Actually given that there WAS a kill last Night I'm thinking it's unlikely he is a wolf.

Brinn and Greenie - no "evidence".

Comments to follow in next post...

[Thinlómien]

Okay, what I now think of my "evidence"...

Nerwen and Ilya evidences don't tell us anything and thus maybe should be ignored... but I still can't do that 100%.

However minor it is, I think my evidence for Rune actually is the most convincing - apart from the Gil evidence, that is. In the case of Rune I'd like to emphasise that it's more often the small things against someone's wolvishness that are true...

As for the Kath evidence... it is the most baffling... I mean, it looks so obvious that a wolf would know who was lynched but it looks equally obvious that an innocent would check whether they're alive or not before posting!

So I will really have to think about stuff...

[Thinlómien]

++Rune for rep

Because I feel I can trust him the best although I can't.

[Kath]

Out of those who are left my suspicions lie with Rune and Brinn. Brinn was turning round on the Gwath thing yesterDay and as he has now been proven innocent it seems a little odd. Rune ... Rune is a tough nut, I would say it's the way he reacted to this no kill last Night.

Now, the no kill ... I could potentially see it being a bit of a clumsy tactic. Perhaps even an attempt to frame Gil. But it is so risky for a lone wolf to allow the numbers to be against them for an extra Day so I doubt it. It could be the result of someone being busy during the break, not realising quite when we were starting again, I know I was surprised to see posts again this morning.

To answer Lommy, I said 'technically' in that post. I'd seen people mentioning me in the thread when I'd done a quick skim without use of past tense and so just assumed I was alright to post. I had some idea that I was ok to do it, I just hadn't checked.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Kath

ow, the no kill ... I could potentially see it being a bit of a clumsy tactic. Perhaps even an attempt to frame Gil. But it is so risky for a lone wolf to allow the numbers to be against them for an extra Day so I doubt it.

If it indeed was a tactic, I would think it was yours - a way to go around the problem that you are generally suspected the least and thus would be the most logical kill.

[Brinniel]

Why wasn't there a kill last Night? The narration almost indicates that it was done on purpose, but I can't see why the wolf would try such a risky move even if it was for a setup. I'd think that the final wolf would want to play it safe and eliminate the number of players as fast as possible, but maybe I'm wrong. Though with so many players having RL issues going on, the possibility that the wolf simply made a goof and forgot is quite plausible.

Oh goodness, I had to get up at 4am this morning for a flight and after a four hour nap I'm still dead tired. I'll be around later this evening hopefully feeling a little more alive to post some thoughts. Even though I should probably be doing my homework at that time. Oh, how WW is a great way to procrastinate...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Oh
my
Eru.

They fixed the Barrowdowns clock.

Everybody please take note-

and remember that deadline is in ish-3 hours and at the moment Runeski's your only Rep.

[Brinniel]

Yeesh, where is everyone? I feel like we've all just given up on this game or something.

The idea of having only one rep does not sound appealing. Especially since in comparison to some other players, I don't exactly trust Rune. Though two reps isn't much better since both reps would have to agree on one player or else create a double lynch (unless one receives more votes). Three reps would be the best way to keep things unslanted.

So in order to have more reps than less, I'll vote for one of the two who have already voted:

++Greenie for rep

Heroes is on right now, so don't expect me to post again for the next hour.

[Ilya]

This village got awfully quiet after Boro and TP left, but still, no kill? Something Brinn said yesterday struck me, ya'll. We're being lazy. Or, you know, I, at least, am guilty of taking suggested guilt at face value. It was generally assumed both Gwath and Sally were suspicious because some people said they were suspicious a lot, and it's likely the wolf is helping to prompt that suspicion, although the WW obviously isn't the only one speaking out. So: list.

Raised Suspicions Today
Lommy: sorta cleared Rune, waffles about Kath, who is "generally suspected" and the no kill fits her style, suggests ignoring Nerwen and Ilya
Kath: suspicious of Rune for his reaction to the no kill and Brinn for her Legate 180 on Gwath. The no kill could be a trying to frame Gil
Brinn: Doesn't really trust Rune.
Greenie: Rune, Lommy, Nerwen all innocentish. Lost a read on Kath, has no read on Ilya, no evidence to form a read on Gil, and thinks the points brought up about Brinn are valid.

So, another list.
Kath: Suspected sorta by Lommy and by Greenie.
Rune: Suspected by Brinn and Kath. Cleared by Greenie and Lommy
Brinn: Suspected by Kath and Greenie.
Lommy: Cleared by Greenie
Nerwen: Cleared by Greenie
Greenie: No one's really mentioned anything either way. Kath voted for Greenie as a rep just on the basis of activity.
Gil: Could be being set up according to Kath.
Ilya: Put in the question mark column by Greenie, but thinks I'm suspiciousish. Lommy suggests ignoring me.

So, according to the general suspicions of the Nation:
The Heroes
Lommy and Nerwen have both been generally considered innocent. As are John Dunne and Helen Gardener.
On Notice
Brinn, Rune, Kath, and Ilya have all been bandied about as possible suspects.
Dead to Stephen Colbert
Greenie has gone completely without comment by anyone else, and Gil continues to move in ways mysterious to the rest of us.

Will be back in a half-hour or so to vote.

[Brinniel]

Hurrah, someone's actually posted since me...

Considering the time difference, I'm going to guess that Rune and Kath are most likely not going to show up to vote for a rep. Does anyone else find it strange that they both showed up to post, yet did not vote? It just makes me uneasy when players don't vote so late in the game. When there are less players, it becomes even more critical to vote to keep the game balanced. Because the less votes, the less reps.

Anyways, I'm 99.9% sure Gil won't show up either so it looks like Ilya and Nerwen may be the final voters.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

While I'll be around tomorrow, I'll be scarce (response paper due at 3:20 to a novel I'm not done reading, ten page paper due at 6:00 that I haven't yet started). Shout if you need me.

[Ilya]

++Greenie for rep

Because we need more than one rep. I'm out for the night.

[Nerwen]

Sorry for lack of posting. I have been horribly busy... to busy to even send in my ki–

No! Curses! Condemned out of my own furry maw!

[Nerwen]

Only two reps, I see? That's not good.

Is there any point my voting?

[Nerwen]

++Lommy for rep

In case one of the others shows up.

[Thinlómien]

We have just two reps? That means that whoever votes first gets to decide the lynch, unless we want a double lynch. I can't say I envy Greenie and Rune.

I'll try to do something useful today but I have a dozen things to do so I don't know how much I can manage...

Originally Posted by Ilya

Lommy: sorta cleared Rune, waffles about Kath, who is "generally suspected" and the no kill fits her style, suggests ignoring Nerwen and Ilya

Ok, I'm sorry if I was unclear but I did not definitely mean that: I don't think that we should ignore you and Nerwen (we can't afford to ignore anyone except Gil) but that we should ignore my "evidence" for your innocence, and I didn't say Kath is generally suspected - on the contrary, she's generally trusted - nor that the kill fits her style (I don't think making a bluff like that would be very kathish, I'm just saying that she is the only one of us I can see having a reason to bluff by making no kill). Hope that clears up.

[Nerwen]

Anyone here?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Sorry for not posting or voting, but I have been in kind of the same situation as Lommy and Greenie and I attended what could be be described as an unofficial wake last night.

I am glad that you chose me as a representative again and I promise I will take a closer look on different people, I might not be able to post much before late in the evening. . .

When will you be around Greenie?

[Kath]

I'm so sorry I didn't vote. I have no reasonable excuse. I just plain forgot.

Right now I'm on my lunch break from work so I don't have time to do anything but once I get home properly I will get on here and put some effort in.

[Thinlómien]

Okay a totally randomly feeling-based list

Innocent
Rune
Gil
Ilya

Unsure
Greenie
Brinn
Kath
Nerwen

Suspicious
- seemingly, no one was left to this category -

I don't really know what to think, but I think I suspect Brinn the most but... aiee. I haven't been this lost in a ww game for ages.

[Brinniel]

Gil-Galad: Bah, I'm still completely ignoring him as I don't see any reason why he'd be the wolf. So he better not be.

Greenie: Other than her vote for Rune, I agree with a lot that she says. Not sure whether her posts read innocence or guilt though.

Ilya: Of everyone, she's probably the one falling under my radar the most. She agrees with the laziness that's going around, yet she hasn't posted much of her thoughts herself. I'd like to hear more from her.

Lommy: I found it weird that she found people innocent based on "evidence" that really doesn't necessarily mean innocence at all. She took some of it back, but I still don't understand how she came to those conclusions in the first place.

Kath: I honestly have no clue about her. While nothing rings out as particularly suspicious, I recall that Kath has played quite the sneaky wolf in the past and wouldn't be surprised if she's pulling it off again.

Nerwen: Really hasn't said much of anything but one-liners toDay, which worries me. I'd like to hear more.

Rune: I just can't get myself to trust him, yet I don't necessarily find him suspicious. Perhaps it's his posting style, but I can never get a good read on him. And I'm hesitant to suspect him because whenever I do I end up being wrong....though then again I don't think I've ever seen Rune play as a wolf.

Ugh, it's reached a point where just about everyone is a question mark to me. How frustrating.

Originally Posted by Lommy

I don't really know what to think, but I think I suspect Brinn the most

Can you explain why you suspect me the most?

I've got classes all day so there's a good chance I won't be around until evening (6:30pm EST). I might try to post in between classes, but no promises.

[Kath]

Right, I shall tell you what my problem is. I was completely convinced that Gwath was the wolf, I mean really convinced, so ever since the narration that said actually he wasn't I've been really thrown. There are people around who I think are suspicious as I said earlier, but my suspicion is almost half-hearted, as if I can't really believe that there's a wolf left. I will try to get over this because, obviously, there is a wolf left.

So ... yeah. Brinn is my current main suspect because yesterDay before Gwath was lynched she was suddenly turning round on the subject of his potential guilt.

I feel that I ought to be suspicious of Lommy because of her turnaround on me ... except that I completely understand it. With so few people left it's very hard not to find everyone suspicious.

Hmm, I think I might get something to eat, boost my energy a bit and then I'll come back and do a review of those who are around.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Lommy

We have just two reps? That means that whoever votes first gets to decide the lynch, unless we want a double lynch. I can't say I envy Greenie and Rune.

I don't envy myself. Really, I'm in trouble now - like Brinn, I've reached the point where everyone is a questionmark. Also, I don't like the fact that we only have two reps, and that so many didn't vote. I'll check who voted for whom.

voted Rune:
Greenie
Lommy

voted Greenie:
Brinniel
Ilya

voted Lommy:
Nerwen

didn't vote:
Gil-Galad
Rune
Kath

Hmmm. It's no surprise Gil didn't vote, Kath already said that she forgot. Runne, why didn't you vote?

Originally Posted by Rune

When will you be around Greenie?

I'll be more or less around all evening from now on. I'll be coming and going, but for now I'm here. How about you?

Is there anyone else here or shall I be talking to myself again? I'd love some proper discussion and activity before I make up my mind on who to lynch.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Kath

So ... yeah. Brinn is my current main suspect because yesterDay before Gwath was lynched she was suddenly turning round on the subject of his potential guilt.

I made a turnaround on him because after reading through the Day and re-evaluating the situation, I began to have second thoughts. If I could've come in and said something in the earlier second half of the Day before the votes came in, I would've, but I was busy with the holiday. I doubt that my change in opinion would've made any affect on the lynchers' confidence in Gwath's guilt anyway. If I were the wolf, it would've been much easier for me to just continue to go with the flow about Gwath like everyone else. I hate to stick out like a sore thumb and I wouldn't do so unless I was being truly honest about my worries.

[A Little Green]

Hello Brinn my love!

Originally Posted by Brinn

If I were the wolf, it would've been much easier for me to just continue to go with the flow about Gwath like everyone else.

I think your explanation sounds reasonable. Turning around that way doesn't strike me as something a wolf would do. Actually, your Legate 180 on Gwath is one of the reasons that speak for your innocence to me.

Now that you're here - any opinions on who we should lynch toDay? Obviously we won't lynch Runey or me since that could well result in a double lynch or else a half-suicide. Therefore it's either Lommy, Brinn, Ilya, Gil, Nerwen or Kath. I don't want to lynch Lommy or Gil as I'm inclined to think them innocent. I wouldn't want to lynch Nerwen without hard new evidence against her. That leaves Brinn, Ilya or Kath. But hey, I'm inclined to think all of you three innocent as well... Why, oh why am I made rep on a Day like this?

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Rune

Sorry for not posting or voting, but I have been in kind of the same situation as Lommy and Greenie and I attended what could be be described as an unofficial wake last night.

I only just noticed this - sorry to hear that. Anyway seems like it's all clear, all who didn't vote have given explanations for it. My bad.

[A Little Green]

Two hours since I last was here, and no one has posted? We are getting either very lazy or very busy with RL. Gah. I'll go to sleep in a few hours and will have to vote before it. I really really need Runne to post some opinions before I vote, otherwise it will be either my vote alone deciding who dies or a double lynch which I think we can't afford at this stage. And I need some stuff from others too, of course. Where is everyone?

I think I'll go and see who Rune has suspected toDay and see if I agree with him on anything. We really have to reach a compromise, after all.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I am here now Greenie. . .I will make some posts shortly

[A Little Green]

I read through Rune's posts from toDay and yesterDay. It seems he has suspected no one toDay (please correct me if I'm wrong though, I'm still having fever and I'm afraid it affects my attentiveness). From what I gathered from my own thoughts about people as well as his posts yesterDay, the list looks something like this:

Brinn - Along with Gwathy the one Rune voiced suspicion of yesterDay. To me she's a total questionmark.
Gil - Lynching him would be a total waste of lynch, honestly.
Greenie - Obviously not a good idea since I'm the other one of the two reps.
Ilya - To me she's a very big questionmark, but Rune thought her innocentish yesterDay so I don't think he'd like to lynch her.
Kath - Rune seems to trust her, and I don't think her suspicious either.
Lommy - I'm quite convinced of her innocence, actually. Rune mentioned her briefly yesterDay in a sentence like "there is also Lommy and Greenie", but didn't carry on the subject. I don't want to lynch her.
Nerwen - I find her quite innocentish at the moment. I have no clear idea about Rune's opinion on her.
Rune - Another obvious no, since he's a rep - and also since I trust him at the moment.

Hmmm. If Rune's suspicions haven't changed, it would point to Brinn toDay as it's nearest to a compromise we can reach. I'm not entirely sure I'd be content with lynching Brinn toDay, but looking at Rune's suspicions from yesterDay compared to my own it seems the best option right now.

I recall Rune said he'll return late in the evening. I hope that means soon.


EDIT: x-ed with Runne!! Great!

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I think we shouldn't make too much out of the lack of a kill. It could mean basically anything and we are just going to distract ourselves if we concentrate on it.

Ever since I first read this I have been speculating about it and as usual I am torn. There is obvious plenty of ways to interpritate the lack of a kill and thus it could end up confusing us, but I am also reluctant to disregard facts that could lead us to a wolf.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Hurrah, someone's actually posted since me...

Considering the time difference, I'm going to guess that Rune and Kath are most likely not going to show up to vote for a rep. Does anyone else find it strange that they both showed up to post, yet did not vote? It just makes me uneasy when players don't vote so late in the game. When there are less players, it becomes even more critical to vote to keep the game balanced. Because the less votes, the less reps.

Anyways, I'm 99.9% sure Gil won't show up either so it looks like Ilya and Nerwen may be the final voters.

Is that so suspicous. . .would it not make one stand out like a sore thumb?

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I made a turnaround on him because after reading through the Day and re-evaluating the situation, I began to have second thoughts. If I could've come in and said something in the earlier second half of the Day before the votes came in, I would've, but I was busy with the holiday. I doubt that my change in opinion would've made any affect on the lynchers' confidence in Gwath's guilt anyway. If I were the wolf, it would've been much easier for me to just continue to go with the flow about Gwath like everyone else. I hate to stick out like a sore thumb and I wouldn't do so unless I was being truly honest about my worries.

And as we can see sore thumbs are innocent. . .

Anyways, it annoys me that you made that turn around, because it means that two players have done so in very short time and thus I cannot use it as argument to suspect them. (Lommy also turned in her view of Gwath)

EDIT: Cross Posted with Greenie

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Now that you're here - any opinions on who we should lynch toDay? Obviously we won't lynch Runey or me since that could well result in a double lynch or else a half-suicide. Therefore it's either Lommy, Brinn, Ilya, Gil, Nerwen or Kath. I don't want to lynch Lommy or Gil as I'm inclined to think them innocent. I wouldn't want to lynch Nerwen without hard new evidence against her. That leaves Brinn, Ilya or Kath. But hey, I'm inclined to think all of you three innocent as well... Why, oh why am I made rep on a Day like this?

It is difficult, because the goal is to find the last wolf and so basicly one should follow ones own suspicions. . . especially if you suspect the other representative of being a wolf.
So should we go for a compromise. . .or would we rather win or loose on our own.

Of Brinn, Ilya and Kath I would probably vote Brinn, even though I am not sure about Ilya. . .I need a bit of time to consider it.

I have been thinking that often when wolves are spotted, it is because they act differently than normal or if they do something they also did the last time they where wolves. I my self saw that in Nogrod, and I have been thinking about going back and taking another look at Sally's case against Nerwen.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Hmmm. If Rune's suspicions haven't changed, it would point to Brinn toDay as it's nearest to a compromise we can reach.

Sadly, I have to agree as it seems no matter what I do Rune will never cease to suspect. It seems he's always determined to get me lynched. I could try to defend myself, but I no longer see the point. Nor do I have the time since I have class in five minutes.

Anyways, go ahead and lynch me if you want but all you'll find out is that I'm innocent. If you do choose to lynch me, we'll give the wolf more time to hide but at least there'll still be toMorrow. And even if I'm dead meat, I'll try to help give opinions to find the wolf when I return from class.

[Thinlómien]

Hi, I'm back here but I'm sharing the computer with Greenie so I can't flood-post...

Originally Posted by Brinn

She took some of it back, but I still don't understand how she came to those conclusions in the first place.

Well they kind of made sense and besides, at that point narrowing the suspicion list rather carelessly seemed smart to me. Not just anymore.

Originally Posted by Brinn

Can you explain why you suspect me the most?

No, it's just a general feeling thing. *shrugs* I know it's a very bad basis for suspicions and I really hate it that I haven't had time to reread, think or post today (*grumblegrumble* I would have had time to post on the weekend but there was some silly Thanksgiving pause *grumblegrumble*).

Originally Posted by Greenie

I think your explanation sounds reasonable. Turning around that way doesn't strike me as something a wolf would do. Actually, your Legate 180 on Gwath is one of the reasons that speak for your innocence to me.

Why does that indicate innocence? Wouldn't it be craftier for a wolf not to be there demanding the death of an innocent in the last hours? Or at least behaviour like that hardly points at anyone's innocence.

But gah, now I have a bad feeling about lynching Brinn. I have a feeling like there is no wolf at all in this game... Well, as selfish as it sounds, I'm glad I don't have to vote toDay...

I promise you one thing now. If I'm still alive toMorrow, I will really put some more effort on this game. I should have more time then.


edit: xed with Brinn

[Thinlómien]

Okay now I'm having an even more worse feeling about lynching Brinn but she could just be a bluffing wolf.... aieeeeeeeeee.

And also, I noticed I said in my post that I will post more toMorrow - which maybe tells everything sufficient. I'm not even considering the chance that we might get a wolf toDay.