Werewolf LIII: The Republic

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

So you're the Seer, Boro? I thought it was the phantom.

Well good. At least somebody bought my act. I was trying to make myself a more attractive kill than Boro.

[Boromir88]

Glad they kept me alive again, or yes that Nogrod for rep thing could have been trouble. Wolf-Nog has killed me before as the seer when I've virtually proclaimed him innocent, but I didn't know for sure.

I was wondering why yesterday you seemed confused to when I answered about Nogrod's vote. I guess Shasta just made a more attractive kill than both of us.

P.S. I admitted this to Fea, and I might as well admit it to him...

I dreamt of you tp first, because my entire strategy was going to revolve around whether you were an innocent or wolf.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Boro

I dreamt of you tp first, because my entire strategy was going to revolve around whether you were an innocent or wolf.

*chuckles*
You'll have to tell me sometime what the Phantom=Wolf plan was.

By the way, was it near the end of Day 2 that you came to believe that I figured you were the Seer?

[Boromir88]

Anyway, that's my big reveal, and I will ask everyone now (excluding morm and Nogrod - you two sit in the corner, and take your unknown wolf partner too ) how can we get this double-lynch today?

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Anyway, that's my big reveal, and I will ask everyone now (excluding morm and Nogrod - you two sit in the corner, and take your unknown wolf partner too ) how can we get this double-lynch today?

Okay all I can say is if I were able I would kill my fellow wolves myself. I wanted to kill you since night 1 but didn't assert myself well enough. To find the last wolf just look for the guy who's eating his boot.

[Boromir88]

By the way, was it near the end of Day 2 that you came to believe that I figured you were the Seer?

Yes, I thought you probably figured it out because of my relatively quick turn from almost voting to lynch Agan and then voting her as my rep the next day. I loved the attitude of "I'm not going to get lynched because of Boro" yesterday.

Ilya, thank you, and I hope you got to see now some of the seer mechanics and hints...are you the 4th wolf by the way?

[Boromir88]

morm, I enjoyed our sideshow yesterday, I hope you had some fun. You're a tough one to crack, but I really didn't expect you too...I just like putting on a show.

So, are you saying if we all vote for you as rep, you will vote to lynch the unknown 4th wolf and then we could proceed to double-lynch you and Nogrod the following day? Or do you want to do the doublye-lynch today, and lynch you tomorrow so you could have the dignity of being the last wolf? You're driving a hard bargain.

[Ilya]

A plan: Not The Plan, but a plan: It just seems like we need reps who'll step up and coordinate their votes by dividing the votes quickly, in close succession. Then somebody filibusters (phantom, this would be your calling, I believe) until the deadline passes. I can't believe I'm saying this, but fewer reps would probably get the job done easier.

Edit: Ha, Boro, I kinda wish I was, actually. Then the game I've been playing would seem so much more well constructed and sly and calculating than it really is.

[Boromir88]

Ilya, I was going to tell tp we will probably need his filibuster, you're good in mind book. If you're a wolf, well...nevermind I just hope you aren't.

[Ilya]

Isn't there a special Ordo that can turn into a wolf at will, or something? That'd be cool, then I could just be like, "Oh, I was totally a wolf all along." Ah well. Another time.

Congrats on the 4000 posts, by the way.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Boro

Yes, I thought you probably figured it out because of my relatively quick turn from almost voting to lynch Agan and then voting her as my rep the next day. I loved the attitude of "I'm not going to get lynched because of Boro" yesterday.

Heh heh... Figured you might.

Yeah, after Day 1 my list of possible Seers was Kath, Green, Gwath, morm, Brin, and you. I was hoping it was you because that would mean that I was already Seer dreamed innocent.

When you continued your treatment of me on Day 2 and told Agan that you were a bit too hasty with her, I started leaning heavily in your direction.

By the time I made this post here I was pretty well bought in-

Originally Posted by me

Very briefly, I feel rather good about Aganzir. The way she's responding to arguments as well as more light-hearted comments... seems very innocent to me. But most convincing to me is the way she worded and handled our old joke about her being a WW and me helping her win as an Ordo. She's either innocent or gave perfect innocent reactions.

I think I trust her more than Boro even at this point.

I was trying to poach your dream, essentially, and make both Agan and myself a juicier target than you.

And the stuff at the very end of Day 2- well, that was just plain fun.

[the phantom]

I'm currently pondering the double lynch situation. I'll make a post soon.

[the phantom]

As far as the double lynch, here's what I see...

We are working with 11 people (I'm not counting morm and Nog and Gil).

I think we can probably count on all eleven to follow orders because the one remaining Werewolf won't dare step out of line at this point in the game.

We vote Boro three votes.

We vote phantom three votes.

Now, we just need to select someone else to receive three votes, and a fourth person to receive two votes.

If we do that then we don't need to filibuster or anything.

[the phantom]

If we follow the voting plan above, then our voting Reps will hold the following vote power-

3-3-3-2

If either morm or Nog votes for a Rep with 3 votes, the other three-vote Reps cast their votes and the people with 4 and 2 abstain, resulting in a tie.

If both morm and Nog vote for the same Rep, once again two of the Reps with 3 votes force a tie.

If they vote for two different 3-vote Reps, they'll still be tied.

If they vote for a 3-vote Rep and the 2-vote Rep, there will still be multiple 3-vote Reps, and thus a tie vote is once again possible.

So long as we do our Rep voting early in the day, and do our lynch voting early in the Day, those two WWs can't possibly filibuster the entire Day.

[the phantom]

Please tell me if you see a flaw in the plan. I'm tired, so I may have overlooked something.

But if no one spots anything, I will be happy to write up a voting map which will assign everyone a Rep to vote for.

All we need to do is come up with our two other Reps. It won't really matter if we choose a WW, because, as I said earlier, he won't dare step out of line when he's the last one left.

[Nerwen]

I'd be very happy to run for office on a "lynch morm" ticket. Just for the good of the village, you understand.

[the phantom]

Well, Nerwen, can you promise promise promise that you will be around early during Part 2 of toDay?

In other words, will you be around exactly 22 hours from now?

[Gwathagor]

Well, Boro, since morm has more or less admitted his guilt, I'm on board for whatever you want to do. Just give the word.

[the phantom]

Those of you who are around, please look over the voting plan outlined in posts #1253 and #1254.

If it looks to you like it is sound, let me know so that I can begin outlining the plan in greater detail.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Well, Nerwen, can you promise promise promise that you will be around early during Part 2 of toDay?

In other words, will you be around exactly 22 hours from now?

Yes, except I might not be around for the first half-hour. Is that good enough?

[Nerwen]

It's just that I need to hand in an assignment, and I'd arranged a lift in to uni around that time... but I guess I can do it earlier.

[satansaloser2005]

I'm in, obviously. (I made an actual post, but then my friend stopped by and by now what I said wouldn't make a lot of sense. Boiled down to "Boro I love you and I'm really glad I sensed something was upp-ish with Morm before I voted him as a rep" and other sundry)



I'll also be around right at deadline tomorrow (meaning the end of the first part of the Day), so (not to blow my own horn) if y'all want me to be a rep I'd be delighted!

[the phantom]

Don't worry about your schedule, Nerwen. If you can be here that soon after the deadline then everything should be okay, so long as that isn't the only time all day that you can be there (just in case).

Ah, and Sally has volunteered as well. All right. If Boro approves then we have the four Reps we need for the plan.

(I assume no one has spotted a flaw in the plan since no one has said anything.)

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Don't worry about your schedule, Nerwen. If you can be here that soon after the deadline then everything should be okay, so long as that isn't the only time all day that you can be there (just in case).

Ah, and Sally has volunteered as well. All right. If Boro approves then we have the four Reps we need for the plan.

(I assume no one has spotted a flaw in the plan since no one has said anything.)

What, you mean the fact that you thought of it?


In all seriousness, I've noticed, but I figured if I didn't say anything maybe no one else would think of it. *shrug* We'll make it work no matter what.

[the phantom]

Rough draft of Rep vote plan-

Boromir88- vote Nerwen
Brinniel- vote Boro
Greenie- vote Phantom
Gwathagor- vote Nerwen
Ilya- vote Boro
Lommy- vote Phantom
Kath- vote Nerwen
Nerwen- vote Sally
Rune- vote Boro
Sally- vote Phantom
the phantom- vote Sally

Which would give us:

Boro: 3
Phantom: 3
Nerwen: 3
Sally: 2

Then during the lynch stage-
Boro- lynch morm
Phantom- lynch Nog
Nerwen- abstain
Sally- abstain

If Nog or morm cast a Rep vote for Boro or I, Nerwen steps up and takes the place of the one who received the extra vote.

If both Nog and morm cast their Rep votes together for Boro or I, again Nerwen steps up and takes their place.

If Nog and morm split their votes between Boro and I, we are still tied and thus we would follow the original lynch plan.

If Nog votes Boro or I and morm votes Sally, then we'll have Sally take the place of the person that received the extra vote.

I believe that accounts for all posibilities.

If it indeed does, then we might as well all go ahead and vote to outlaw filibusters for today so that the Wolves cannot stop us from voting for our candidates at any time.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Sally

In all seriousness, I've noticed, but I figured if I didn't say anything maybe no one else would think of it. *shrug* We'll make it work no matter what.

What? You mean there is a way in which morm or Nog could mess things up?

If that's what you mean, then please give details so that a better double-lynch plan can be constructed.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by the phantom

What? You mean there is a way in which morm or Nog could mess things up?

If that's what you mean, then please give details so that a better double-lynch plan can be constructed.

No, no, not like that. It's just going to be too easy for the other wolf to hide in amongst us all. And I was wondering about a couple other things as well, but it's more of a "Sally being Sally" thing.

The lynch plan itself is perfectly fine.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Sally

It's just going to be too easy for the other wolf to hide in amongst us all.

No matter what we do the WW is going to hide amongst us.

Nog and morm have been Seer-dreamed. The final WW isn't going to make any effort whatsoever to save them.

So if we cannot discover the final WW via lynching the remaining WWs, there is no reason not to get it over with right away with a double lynch.

The double lynch should be secured early in the voting half of the Day, and we'll have the entire rest of the day to discuss the final WW and come up with theories.

[the phantom]

Nerwen, Gwath- you still haven't said anything.

Does the lynch plan look good?

If so, then that will be enough votes in favor for me to assume that nothing has been overlooked, and that we should hurry on and begin voting for Reps (and voting for no filibusters).

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by the phantom

No matter what we do the WW is going to hide amongst us.

Nog and morm have been Seer-dreamed. The final WW isn't going to make any effort whatsoever to save them.

So if we cannot discover the final WW via lynching the remaining WWs, there is no reason not to get it over with right away with a double lynch.

The double lynch should be secured early in the voting half of the Day, and we'll have the entire rest of the day to discuss the final WW and come up with theories.

Oi, I didn't say it was a bad plan. In fact, I'm quite sure I said it was a very good plan, thanks very much.


Anyway, I'm off to bed. Good night all~!

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Nerwen, Gwath- you still haven't said anything.

Does the lynch plan look good?

If so, then that will be enough votes in favor for me to assume that nothing has been overlooked, and that we should hurry on and begin voting for Reps (and voting for no filibusters).

Sounds fine to me.

[the phantom]

I didn't think you thought the plan was bad, Sally.

I hope your room mate is enjoying this. What did you say you call her- "The Duck" or something like that?

Anyway, I really need to get to bed. Sleepy.

For right now, I'll go ahead and vote-
++No Filibuster

Post #1265 contains the voting plan. Let us begin following it as soon as possible and get this over with so that we can move on to discussing the final Wolf that is still at large.

Good night.

[Nerwen]

++No Filibuster

Anyone see any objections to the voting plan?

EDIT: words left out.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I'd be very happy to run for office on a "lynch morm" ticket. Just for the good of the village, you understand.

*wink wink* Good job Nerwen, nobody will suspect you now.

[Nerwen]

Hey, morm... is that comment about "the guy who's eating his boot" a cryptic clue a la Fea?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I officially detest Mormegil, the one time I convince my self to look elswhere for wolves he turns out to be one and what more is I actually supportet my case with some of his arguments. You got me Morm, I capitulate.

This is the worst game ever. . .
The only positive thing so far is that Nogrod turned out to be wolf (or so it seems), it just shows that sometimes that feeling that someone plays differently is better than an actual case. (where you try to exclude such feelings)

Anyways I have gotten the flu, so if I could do my part in this days action soon it would be great. . .

[Nerwen]

Rune, unless you can see something wrong with tp's plan, vote for "no filibuster" and for Boro as rep.

[Nerwen]

Meanwhile, I shall vote

++Sally for rep.

EDIT: fixed highlight.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Hey, morm... is that comment about "the guy who's eating his boot" a cryptic clue a la Fea?

I'm trying to steer them clear of you Nerwen, so be quiet and play along okay.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

This is the worst game ever. . .
.

Actually I think this is already the best game ever. I feel hugely privileged to have been able to watch things unwind as some of the biggest beasts in the Werewolf jungle slug it out. And the fat lady is only looking for her thorat spray...