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But now that you have come into the open you might tell us whom you did protect the first Night if the wolves (hopefully only a wolf) kills you the next Night... We'd do with one more innocent on our list even if it meant s/he would die the next Night.
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07-13-2008, 02:28 PM | #522 |
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You actually had it right, Nog. I protected Kath, hence the wolves attacking her again Night 2 when I was busy elsewhere.
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07-13-2008, 02:32 PM | #523 |
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Why didn't you reveal yesterday, Shasta? You looked in a lot of trouble then too.
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The idea was to get enough suspicion that the wolves wouldn't kill me, but not enough to be lynched. It worked for a while.
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07-13-2008, 02:34 PM | #525 |
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Okay.
Btw. if you're now true with us you surely understand you won't see the light of the Day anymore after the Night falls. So could you do us a favour and make a last effort, trying your best to come forwards with your mind about all of us. None of us is infallible but we'd at least know you're not trying to fool or deceive us. PS. I really don't get a few of your decisions during the game if you're the ranger but maybe we'll discuss them later in the post-game discussion...
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07-13-2008, 02:36 PM | #526 |
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That's what I try to do as innocent too. It's a tender balance... I know it (just look at this game!!! ).
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07-13-2008, 02:39 PM | #527 |
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And we need some new candidates now...
Happily I had started reading Rikae as I realised she has been left quite unnoticed and I had some suspicions slowly developing in the back of my head. Now it seems all the more urgent to get it done.
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07-13-2008, 02:42 PM | #528 | |
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07-13-2008, 02:47 PM | #529 | |
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Just coming to think of it: our hunter and ranger tearing each other apart Day after Day... And poor Brinn not able to share the fun with anyone...
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07-13-2008, 02:49 PM | #530 | |
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And I suppose my hint on Day 2 was a bit too subtle. Ah well. I can point to it and say "SEE?!"
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07-13-2008, 02:54 PM | #531 |
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Here's the exchange about grinning I found a bit sinister - first SallySpammer said "Look at Agan's grin", and then Agan said "How did you guess I'm grinning right now?
Though only at the absurdity of this day ending. " Not much, but it gave me the creeps. Well, I said earlier that I found Agan more suspicious than Shasta anyway, and now Shasta's reveal makes it clear. ++Aganzir |
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Well, Shasta, I'll believe you for now. Even if you don't die during the night, I'm sure if you are lying the real Ranger would come forth at some point tomorrow. That Shasta & Eomer show was right funny looking back. Are you ready to join forces to brutally slaughter these loathsome wolves?
I haven't been able to make much sense of the Sally kill but perhaps we can gain more if we discuss. I have been thinking that Sally wasn't being too cobblerish. No-one suspected her at any point, really. Then, after her vote yesterday, when it looked as though she might finally be getting some grief from the village today, and thus keeping attention away from the wolves, she's killed by the wolves. I found it strange.
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07-13-2008, 03:02 PM | #533 |
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Why did the wolves kill Sally and not me?
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07-13-2008, 03:10 PM | #534 |
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I seem to have lost a host of tracks now if and as Shasta is innocent...
Some of the points I had on Agan were built on the presumption that she's a wolf together with Shasta. Also my first nagging suspicions on Rikae were brought about by her such staunchly trying to divert the vote away from Mith & Shasta... and trying to say Shasta looks innocentish. I need to check a few things more...
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I think Rikae and Aganzir to be the most innocent here; but knowing what I do about who I used to think was innocent, this is worrying. And I still can't shake the feeling that Dury dreamt of Nogrod! I'm not sure why Sally was killed. Unless it was because she had pointed the wolves out somehow? Edit: X'd with Nogrod. Oh dear, I feel I've set you to running in circles.
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Maybe because if you really are the hunter (and my guess is that you are) then one of them may get killed.
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07-13-2008, 03:12 PM | #538 |
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Why did they kill Kath? And why Dury?
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07-13-2008, 03:13 PM | #539 |
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Not the least! She's the best candidate I have at the moment. But there's two of them left and betweem them there are connections which need "to work"...
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07-13-2008, 03:14 PM | #540 |
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I already explained why they killed Kath, . But I do wonder why they attacked her the first time.
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*switches to IC mode*
Or maybe both Shasta and Eomer are wolves, trying to look like gifteds so we don't vote them for lynching. And that way the gifteds don't need to reveal until later (if they are about to be lynched), and because no-one knows who they are, then they are safe from the wolves too. That way they can continue to save us. *switches off IC mode* Seems I got a bit carrried away there.
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Now onto a Mith and Nogrod connection. (If there is one).
Day 1 I didn't see much interaction between the two, Mith doesn't name Nogrod at all, and Nogrod only mentions her in a couple of posts, in passing. I don't see anything that would point either to Nogrod being Mith's partner, or not. On Day 2 in Post 188: Quote:
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Also at that time I came to a different conclusion than Mith's reasoning which was just plain out odd...Nogrod's quietness? Nogrod a quiet wolf? He's not afraid to blabber away if he's a wolf. Also, I didn't think Nogrod was that quiet at all. So, definitely Mith's Day 3 vote was what got me suspicious and at that point I thought Nogrod looked innocent. In Post 311 Nogrod strikes back by saying Mith is wrong. I won't quote the whole thing, because it's rather long and Nogrod is pretty much just saying the same thing that he always votes late (if he can) and Mith saying he does it when he's a wolf is just wrong. Nogrod strikes back pretty forcefully and a wolf-Nogrod would not be afraid to do so. But, my question is would he start to encourage others to vote for wolf partners? I still remember when I was dooped and as far as I remember he let me lead the case against his partners and he made the crucial lynching votes to look innocent. In Post 328 Nogrod makes known his willingness to vote for Mith. I want to so bad say oh he's a wolf! But I can't let my bias get in the way here, this doesn't say either way because an innocent Nogrod would do the same. Day 4: Nogrod in post 356, 359 and through the rest of the day he keeps remarking that he wants to see Mith lynched, and still thinks Mith is a wolf. There are a couple posts where they have some playful exchange. In 382 Nogrod defends his reasons for not always voting for his top suspects. Normally I would say to vote for who you think is most suspicious, but when you like to be around at the end like Nogrod he is absolutely right. The situation could be very different and who you want to see lynched might not be possible. So, in that instant you have to make a decision to choose who you think is more suspicious. That's just what Nogrod does, I've noticed so far in this village, at the end, Nogrod making known who he wants to go after tomorrow, but also promising to look at those he thinks are innocent. There isn't anything else that strikes out to me on Day 4, just the same Nogrod saying he definitely wants to lynch Mith today. I gone in thinking haha Nogrod you will not fool me again, I know you've gone and done it again. I know you've backstabbed one of your wolf partners. But, I think the conclusion I've reached is completely different, and if you are fooling me again Nogrod I will bring hell down on you next time this happens. Anyway the conclusion I've come to is obviously Nogrod is a smart wolf, and from the talk throughout these days we are in a village very keen on trying to catch wolf on wolf votes. Plus, I'm in this village and through our lovely past he knows I would want to quickly jump on him for a wolf-on-wolf vote, so would wolf- Nogrod really do it again is the question? Perhaps in the right circumstances, but these aren't the right circumstances. Also, taking into consideration Mith knows me well, and thus knows it would be easy to latch on to Nogrod and frame him. Mith's playful banter looks like an attempt to get me to go after Nogrod, where Nogrod has been pretty much straight to business against Mith since Day 3. And here comes another flip-flop from me. After thinking Kit's analysis of a wolf-Mith and wolf-Nogrod made sense, I'm going to say it's wrong. Kit was right when she said if Durelin dreamed of Nogrod early she would not come out strong against Nogrod, she would more or less try to hint at it. I know because when I was a wolf and Durelin dreamed of me on Day 1 that's what she did. She let me have fun and mess around for a few days until I lost Naria and it was down to me and Valier. Then she came out and revealed I was a wolf and she dreamed of me on Night 1. However, I think Kit was wrong in part of her analysis. Back in that past village I talked about above Durelin would not send confusing messages. She let me have fun for a few days but since she knew my identity she would only address me and the way she avoided my fellow wolves detection was when I would post she would say something like "Boro looks less suspicious to me now." She doesn't do that with Nogrod, she lumps Nogrod and myself together: Quote:
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To kill the Seer, obviously. With the Seer gone why not kill the Hunter while he's focused on innocent Shasta? Yeah, they want to kill the Guardian, but there's no way to distinguish the Guardian from anyone else, and they could spend the whole game trying to kill him/her.
It's all so curious. I didn't mention anyone else as being high in my suspicions. It was Mith and Shasta for me yesterday. There would seem no danger of me taking a wolf down with me.
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First the wolf-kills.
They spent the two first Nights killing Kath. The second Night is pretty understandable as they had a secure kill then and they must have been feeling a little bad they failed on the first one. But why her in the first place? On Day1 she posted twice only saying she's in a hurry. Then she voted Eönwë accompanied by this: Quote:
And how he has not been given almost any attention after that (but by Shasta...)! Then they went on Dury. If the above is correct then her posts & voting for Mith might have gotten the wolves to their feet once again. If not... well they both still fit the general description of being good players even if from the quiter end of the scale. And then Sally - who had actually tried to help Mith. I'm not sure has anyone looked at Sally's suspicions? I mean is she someone who leaves as little trails as possible? At least with Kath and partly by Dury (remember we have read her through a looking glass only because she was our seer) that could be counted as the common denominator as well. But I'd consider bringing Eönwë back up in the front of suspicions again...
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07-13-2008, 03:47 PM | #545 |
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++Shasta
Nice try wolf. I guess you get what you want, but now you only have one wolf left and still with the hunter, I feel his/her days are numbered.
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Ha!
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07-13-2008, 03:55 PM | #547 | |
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Now Boro you speak such a lot of sense I'm getting scared...
But going back to your earlier post. Quote:
OOOOOPS! I just saw something raising my eyebrows a bit in the thread... *goes back to see and probably need a cigarette* EDIT: explanation to the last three lines - x'd with Boro & Eomer...
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Have to go to bed very soon. This Boro/Shasta thing -- it doesn't matter who to believe. The village has the numbers on its side. If the liar succeeds in fooling us today he will die tomorrow, with enough innocents left to keep this game rolling for another couple of days at least.
Also, the remaining wolf will have to consider whether to risk killing me or having a known innocent around until the last day. Last night was your chance! Edit: speaking gibberish: last night was not your chance, if Shasta is indeed the wolf. The sleepiness is making me stupid. Oh alright, I can't blame the sleepiness for that...
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Boro-wolf would have nothing to gain from this claim. Shasta-wolf at least gets the benefit of discovering the Ranger for his buddy.
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If that is a challenge... what else it could be... then I'm inclined to trust Boro on this matter; just look at the points made on Shasta this far.
Also and more poignantly: why would Borowolf do that kind of thing? If Shasta is the ranger they already have a secure kill the next Night and no ranger-problem after that! I need to think if there is a more cunning possibility but at the moment I tend to trust Boro. EDIT: X'd with the last four
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Also Eomer, I have not protected myself yet.
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++Boro
I can prove I protected Kath Night 1.
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Rangers can protect themselves nowadays, eh?
So it's very straight-forward? We kill Shasta today and, if Boro has fooled us for some reason, we kill him tomorrow. I can't see how Boro could possibly benefit from such an act. I will vote in a couple of minutes and then I must go.
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There's a reason I mentioned the Ranger so much Day 2. Look at each word following "Ranger -" in my four posts. Now look at the first letter of each word. What does it spell?
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Crivvens!
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Well, you knew you had attacked Kath and failed to kill her; and you set up this puzzle to try and convince people that you were the Ranger in exactly this scenario?
Quite intriguing, dear Shasta.
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