Queen of Queens - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Groin Redbeard · 01-07-2008, 03:46 PM

I dedicate this thread to Betheberry, who gave me the idea of starting this thread.

The rules are simple: nominate your Queen, who you like the most and tell us a little bit about the queen and why you nominat her.

Since I don't know any Queens of Middle Earth I'll put my choice in later.

Have Fun,
Grion Redbeard

Elmo · 01-07-2008, 04:58 PM

Queen Beruthiel, she liked cats, good enough reason for me

McCaber · 01-07-2008, 05:11 PM

My choice is Melian, queen of Doriath. She was one of the wisest beings in Middle-earth, her enchantments protected her whole land, and she was a Maia. There are more reasons than these ones, but those are the basics.

Lalwendë · 01-08-2008, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Elmo

Queen Beruthiel, she liked cats, good enough reason for me

I wish there was more written about Beruthiel

Though I imagine she has inspired a few RPG characters and whatnot.

Is it just me or does she make other people think of the fabulous Countess Gertrude Groan in Gormenghast? It must be the thing about the cats...

Thinlómien · 01-08-2008, 01:28 PM

The title "Queen of Queens" inspires to nominate the city of Minas Tirith, because of a very beautiful quote:

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Originally Posted by The Window on the West

"For myself", said Faramir, "I would like to see the White Tree in flower again in the courts of the kings, and the Silver Crown return, and Minas Tirith in peace: Minas Anor again as of old, full of light, high and fair, beautiful as a queen among other queens: not a mistress of many slaves, nay, not even a kind mistress of willing slaves."

Estelyn Telcontar · 01-08-2008, 01:47 PM

As a Telcontar, I of course vote for Arwen Evenstar as the Queen to top all other Queens. Though she doesn't stand in the limelight, we know from the story in Appendix A that she had power that was used very subtly. She was the secret behind the winning of the War of the Ring, since Aragorn would have lacked impetus without her to inspire him. The fact that she and Aragorn were one in their hope for victory strengthened him so that he did not lose hope.

It took courage to remain behind when the other Elves left, to face death of her own free will - I think she is often grossly underestimated.

As a fabric artist I appreciate the love, hope, and labour with patience and endurance that she invested in the standard she made for Aragorn. No mere needlework that!

And she provided for the continuation of the Telcontar dynasty by giving birth to Eldarion, the heir.

Lommy, that is a wonderful quote and a unique idea!

Elmo · 01-08-2008, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Lalwendë

I wish there was more written about Beruthiel

Though I imagine she has inspired a few RPG characters and whatnot.

Is it just me or does she make other people think of the fabulous Countess Gertrude Groan in Gormenghast? It must be the thing about the cats...

Having never heard of her I can't comment but she does remind me a little of

Mithalwen · 01-08-2008, 02:28 PM

It has to be Idril. She was not only beautiful but wise, brave and proactive. By her forethought some of her people were saved. She was a great judge of character and the only elven lady who managed to wed her mortal beau without upsetting Daddy.

For me she wins hands down.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 01-09-2008, 02:56 PM

Well, in the very first moment I thought about Galadriel, though she was not a Queen by title but definitely would have deserved it. But right after that, I thought about Melian, so I second McCaber, but not in the reasons he names: wise, surely; the way she protects her land, of course - and I should add also the way she handles her husband even though he sometimes acts like if he was totally dumb (same could be said, in lesser extent, about Galadriel); but being a Maia is, in my opinion, not a thing that would be of any value. Gandalf is not superior to Imrahil in my eyes because he is Maia and Imrahil is a simple Man (maybe with a little bit of Elven blood), but because of what he did. Actually, nothing against Imrahil, he's cool.

Speaking of superior powers, another queen nominated could be of course Varda, who is really a Queen of Queens in the very sense of it.

But

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Originally Posted by Estelyn Telcontar

Lommy, that is a wonderful quote and a unique idea!

Seconded. That's just brilliant and I must say very innovative. Lommy, you know what: they should cut it to five or even less

TheGreatElvenWarrior · 01-10-2008, 09:22 AM

You know what, you poeple just reminded me of Melian of Doriath...I admire her!

Lalwendë · 01-10-2008, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo

Having never heard of her I can't comment but she does remind me a little of

A suitable avatar for several of us Downers methinks. I'm quite looking forwards to being an elderly cat lady

Actually, another 'Queen' who I find fascinating is Ungoliant. She may not have had a crown but she was the queen of all spider-shaped beings. Where did she come from? It's not clear, but maybe from outside creation itself. She was corrupted by Morgoth but then left him. She spawned thousands of other spiders...she was kind of like an anti-Melian, something from 'outside' which bred with earthly creatures, and the whole 'devouring light' thing is fascinating.

Groin Redbeard · 01-13-2008, 06:17 PM

I haven't found any Queen that stands out in my mind. Galadriel would certainly be my choice, but she's not technically a queen.

Eönwë · 01-28-2008, 05:40 PM

Maybe Elwing? Or Erendis? I haven't really decided yet.

Elmo · 01-29-2008, 08:06 AM

In my opinion Erendis wasn't a good queen. All she seemed to do was nag Aldarion.

Eönwë · 02-08-2008, 05:02 PM

True. I vote Goldberry (well, she sort of was a queen)

Groin Redbeard · 02-09-2008, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Eönwë

True. I vote Goldberry (well, she sort of was a queen)

Isn't that the wife of Tom Bombadil?

Rune Son of Bjarne · 02-09-2008, 09:33 AM

It was not directly stated that it had to be a queen of Tolkien's univers. . .so I shall choose Emma of Normandy or Margrethe I of Denmark.

Actually i am just stalling for time as I cannot come up with an answer. . . .As you might know I have a pasionate love for Galadriel, but as you said she was not queen and neither was Nimrodel which would be my second choise. (really only because I loved "Song of Nimrodel" as it was preformed by The Tolkien Ensemble)

Ok then it must be Anairë , little is know of her but I really like Fingolfin.

Ibrîniðilpathânezel · 02-09-2008, 12:25 PM

I'd say Varda. After all, she is the queen of the King of Arda, so beautiful there are no words fit to describe her, and then there are the stars... *sigh* Ah, the amateur astronomer gets all weak in the knees.

She also gets some of the loveliest Elvish poetry: A Elbereth Gilthoniel, silivren penna miriel...

Eönwë · 02-10-2008, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Groin Redbeard

Isn't that the wife of Tom Bombadil?

Yes, but isn't Tom Bambadil the Master (which I know isn't king, but is actually a higher postion in his case). And she is his wife...

Rune Son of Bjarne · 02-10-2008, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Eönwë

Yes, but isn't Tom Bambadil the Master (which I know isn't king, but is actually a higher postion in his case). And she is his wife...

the question was who was the queen of queens and an empress or a godess is no more a queen than a servant or a frog.

Nerwen · 02-12-2008, 01:33 AM

Mr Redbeard? Can we have a ruling on this? Does it need to be an actual queen?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lalwendë

I wish there was more written about Beruthiel

Though I imagine she has inspired a few RPG characters and whatnot.

Is it just me or does she make other people think of the fabulous Countess Gertrude Groan in Gormenghast? It must be the thing about the cats...

Oh, I imagine Beruthiel makes everyone who has read Titus Groan and Gormenghast think of Countess Gertrude. But that would be what– fifty people?

Groin Redbeard · 02-12-2008, 09:25 AM

Hmm... after giving this matter much thought (3 seconds) I have decided that we can make a few exceptions.

She at least must be some type of a ruler.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 02-12-2008, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Groin Redbeard

She at least must be some type of a ruler.

That does not seem to help much. Under such circumstances, Goldberry should not count.

Groin Redbeard · 02-12-2008, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

That does not seem to help much. Under such circumstances, Goldberry should not count.

Welcome back Legate!

Very well since bending the rules don't seem to help

, the lady that you nominate must be a queen.

Bêthberry · 02-12-2008, 09:39 AM

Goldberry rules the weather.

01-07-2008, 03:46 PM	#1
Groin Redbeard Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Facing the world's troubles with Christ's hope! Posts: 1,635	Queen of Queens I dedicate this thread to Betheberry, who gave me the idea of starting this thread. The rules are simple: nominate your Queen, who you like the most and tell us a little bit about the queen and why you nominat her. Since I don't know any Queens of Middle Earth I'll put my choice in later. Have Fun, Grion Redbeard __________________ I heard the bells on Christmas Day. Their old, familiar carols play. And wild and sweet the words repeatof peace on earth, good-will to men! ~Henry Wadsworth Longfellow Last edited by Groin Redbeard; 02-11-2008 at 11:25 AM.

01-07-2008, 04:58 PM	#2
Elmo Pittodrie Poltergeist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: trying to find that warm and winding lane again Posts: 633	Queen Beruthiel, she liked cats, good enough reason for me __________________ As Beren looked into her eyes within the shadows of her hair, The trembling starlight of the skies he saw there mirrored shimmering.

01-07-2008, 05:11 PM	#3
McCaber Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Skyrim, again. Posts: 820	My choice is Melian, queen of Doriath. She was one of the wisest beings in Middle-earth, her enchantments protected her whole land, and she was a Maia. There are more reasons than these ones, but those are the basics. __________________ Werewolves vs. Fishmen. The battle of the century.

01-08-2008, 01:47 PM	#6
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	As a Telcontar, I of course vote for Arwen Evenstar as the Queen to top all other Queens. Though she doesn't stand in the limelight, we know from the story in Appendix A that she had power that was used very subtly. She was the secret behind the winning of the War of the Ring, since Aragorn would have lacked impetus without her to inspire him. The fact that she and Aragorn were one in their hope for victory strengthened him so that he did not lose hope. It took courage to remain behind when the other Elves left, to face death of her own free will - I think she is often grossly underestimated. As a fabric artist I appreciate the love, hope, and labour with patience and endurance that she invested in the standard she made for Aragorn. No mere needlework that! And she provided for the continuation of the Telcontar dynasty by giving birth to Eldarion, the heir. Lommy, that is a wonderful quote and a unique idea! __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

01-08-2008, 02:28 PM	#8
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	If she counts..... It has to be Idril. She was not only beautiful but wise, brave and proactive. By her forethought some of her people were saved. She was a great judge of character and the only elven lady who managed to wed her mortal beau without upsetting Daddy. For me she wins hands down. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

01-10-2008, 09:22 AM	#10
TheGreatElvenWarrior Mighty Quill Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Walking off to look for America Posts: 2,230	You know what, you poeple just reminded me of Melian of Doriath...I admire her! __________________ The Party Doesn't Start Until You're Dead.

01-13-2008, 06:17 PM	#12
Groin Redbeard Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Facing the world's troubles with Christ's hope! Posts: 1,635	I haven't found any Queen that stands out in my mind. Galadriel would certainly be my choice, but she's not technically a queen. __________________ I heard the bells on Christmas Day. Their old, familiar carols play. And wild and sweet the words repeatof peace on earth, good-will to men! ~Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

01-28-2008, 05:40 PM	#13
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	Maybe Elwing? Or Erendis? I haven't really decided yet. __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place

01-29-2008, 08:06 AM	#14
Elmo Pittodrie Poltergeist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: trying to find that warm and winding lane again Posts: 633	In my opinion Erendis wasn't a good queen. All she seemed to do was nag Aldarion. __________________ As Beren looked into her eyes within the shadows of her hair, The trembling starlight of the skies he saw there mirrored shimmering.

02-08-2008, 05:02 PM	#15
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	True. I vote Goldberry (well, she sort of was a queen) __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place

02-09-2008, 12:25 PM	#18
Ibrîniðilpathânezel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Back on the Helcaraxe Posts: 733	I'd say Varda. After all, she is the queen of the King of Arda, so beautiful there are no words fit to describe her, and then there are the stars... sigh Ah, the amateur astronomer gets all weak in the knees. She also gets some of the loveliest Elvish poetry: A Elbereth Gilthoniel, silivren penna miriel... __________________ Call me Ibrin (or Ibri) :) Originality is the one thing that unoriginal minds cannot feel the use of. — John Stewart Mill Last edited by Ibrîniðilpathânezel; 02-09-2008 at 12:28 PM. Reason: added thought

02-12-2008, 09:25 AM	#22
Groin Redbeard Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Facing the world's troubles with Christ's hope! Posts: 1,635	Hmm... after giving this matter much thought (3 seconds) I have decided that we can make a few exceptions. She at least must be some type of a ruler. __________________ I heard the bells on Christmas Day. Their old, familiar carols play. And wild and sweet the words repeatof peace on earth, good-will to men! ~Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

02-12-2008, 09:39 AM	#25
Bêthberry Cryptic Aura Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 5,996	Goldberry rules the weather. __________________ I’ll sing his roots off. I’ll sing a wind up and blow leaf and branch away.