Strange beasts - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Thorongil · 01-21-2004, 03:46 AM

What were those beasts pulling the huge battering ram? I've never heard anything about them before. Does anybody know?

NightKnight · 01-21-2004, 10:16 AM

I've always thought of them as some kind of huge trolls. Maybe I'm wrong though...

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-21-2004, 10:31 AM

I just looked up a quote:

Quote:

Grond they named it, in memory of the Hammer of the Underworld of old. Great beasts drew it, orcs surrounded it, and behind walked mountain-trolls to wield it.

So Tolkien seems to make it very clear that there were trolls AND beasts. But I don't think he gave us much more precisions about these particulars beasts.

EfR

01-21-2004, 10:47 AM

do you mean the rhino-like creatures, or the trolls? If it was the rhino-things you ment, it could well be one of Melkors or Saurons malformed creatures.

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-21-2004, 10:51 AM

I think that this tread was mainly about the creatures, not about the trolls.

Did you read a description of a rhino-like beast or are you speaking about the creatures Peter Jackson showed us?

EfR

Noxomanus · 01-21-2004, 11:59 AM

I wondered about this too.
They look like this guy to me.PJ might have based them on brontotheres.

[Please post big images as links only [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]. Sharkû.]

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 2:04 PM January 21, 2004: Message edited by: Sharkû ]

Legolas · 01-21-2004, 01:48 PM

As mentioned before, possibly some products of Melkor from the First Age and before.

Thorongil · 01-23-2004, 01:59 AM

I did mean those in the movie, and it looked very much like som Melkor stuff, big, ugly and evil.

01-21-2004, 03:46 AM	#1
Thorongil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The Elvenpath Posts: 780	Strange beasts What were those beasts pulling the huge battering ram? I've never heard anything about them before. Does anybody know? __________________ To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill. ~Sun Tzu

01-21-2004, 10:16 AM	#2
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	I've always thought of them as some kind of huge trolls. Maybe I'm wrong though... __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

01-21-2004, 11:59 AM	#6
Noxomanus Wight Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 233	I wondered about this too. They look like this guy to me.PJ might have based them on brontotheres. [Please post big images as links only [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]. Sharkû.] <font size=1 color=339966>[ 2:04 PM January 21, 2004: Message edited by: Sharkû ] __________________ Nothing is evil in the beginning,even Sauron wasn't

01-21-2004, 01:48 PM	#7
Legolas A Northern Soul Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Valinor Posts: 1,847	As mentioned before, possibly some products of Melkor from the First Age and before. __________________ ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.

01-23-2004, 01:59 AM	#8
Thorongil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The Elvenpath Posts: 780	I did mean those in the movie, and it looked very much like som Melkor stuff, big, ugly and evil. __________________ To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill. ~Sun Tzu

01-21-2004, 10:47 AM	#4
Nenrauko Guest Posts: n/a	do you mean the rhino-like creatures, or the trolls? If it was the rhino-things you ment, it could well be one of Melkors or Saurons malformed creatures.

01-21-2004, 10:51 AM	#5
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	I think that this tread was mainly about the creatures, not about the trolls. Did you read a description of a rhino-like beast or are you speaking about the creatures Peter Jackson showed us? EfR