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12-15-2002, 04:04 PM

Reading The Lord of the Rings always brings me a lot of emotions, especially when I finish it. I always feel sad and a litlle nostalgic.

But I have a question about the Grey Havens I don't know if it has been discussed before. Is it the place to where Frodo and the elves go, or is it just the place where they depart from Middle Earth? if this is so, where are they going?
I just finished the Silmarillion and I think I have an idea of that place. Would that be an island that was part of Beleriand, maybe a mountain that wasn't covered with water after the flood? or maybe the land beyond Beleriand to where Eärendil sailed? I don't recall the name, Arda, Valinor, Aman? Why do you think they go to that place?
Take care...

Tirinor · 12-15-2002, 07:03 PM

They (the elves) are returning, or going for the first time to Valinor. And for some reason, certain people (the ring bearers for instance) can go with them.

Manwe Sulimo · 12-15-2002, 07:17 PM

They leave from the Grey Havens (Mithlond) to go to Tol Eressëa, which is also mentioned in The Silmarillion, although the White Ship probably went to Valinor, since Gandalf was on it.

Tirinor · 12-15-2002, 11:19 PM

When Aman seperated from the world, did Tol Eressëa go with it? Also, could the inhabitants of Tol Eressëa, visit/move to Valinor? I always assumed that they were pretty much together like they were before the flight of the Noldor, but I haven't read that part in quite some time.

Selmo · 12-16-2002, 03:45 AM

Yes, Tol Eressëa did go with Aman when the world was "bent". It was a part of the Undying Lands, accessable only to those who cpould use the "Straight Road".

It is my (possibly erroneous) understanding that the returning Noldorian exiles seattled on Tol Eressëa of their own choice, not because they were not allowed to go on to Aman. I see no reason why there should not be consatnt comings and goings between the two.

Ebony · 12-16-2002, 02:38 PM

I'm not aware that the ban on the exiles was ever revoked. Considering that at least Galadriel among the Noldor with with the ship, I would assume that they went to Tol Eressea. Whether or not Gandalf or any of the others went on to Valinor, I just don't know.

Manwe Sulimo · 12-16-2002, 06:28 PM

I'm pretty sure that at the end of Quenta Silmarillion the Noldor were invited back to the West; the only ones that remained behind were Galadriel, Elrond (who wasn't pure Noldo), and the two remaining sons of Fëanor (as well as the kindred that stayed with each of these leaders).

12-17-2002, 03:11 PM

Hey, thank you for clearing my mind guys. I just found something about it here in the Barrow Downs.
Take care.

12-15-2002, 04:04 PM	#1
Fair Eärendil Guest Posts: n/a	Grey Havens? Reading The Lord of the Rings always brings me a lot of emotions, especially when I finish it. I always feel sad and a litlle nostalgic. But I have a question about the Grey Havens I don't know if it has been discussed before. Is it the place to where Frodo and the elves go, or is it just the place where they depart from Middle Earth? if this is so, where are they going? I just finished the Silmarillion and I think I have an idea of that place. Would that be an island that was part of Beleriand, maybe a mountain that wasn't covered with water after the flood? or maybe the land beyond Beleriand to where Eärendil sailed? I don't recall the name, Arda, Valinor, Aman? Why do you think they go to that place? Take care...

12-15-2002, 07:03 PM	#2
Tirinor Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Alabama, U.S.A. Posts: 90	They (the elves) are returning, or going for the first time to Valinor. And for some reason, certain people (the ring bearers for instance) can go with them. __________________ War Eagle.

12-15-2002, 07:17 PM	#3
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	They leave from the Grey Havens (Mithlond) to go to Tol Eressëa, which is also mentioned in The Silmarillion, although the White Ship probably went to Valinor, since Gandalf was on it. __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."

12-15-2002, 11:19 PM	#4
Tirinor Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Alabama, U.S.A. Posts: 90	When Aman seperated from the world, did Tol Eressëa go with it? Also, could the inhabitants of Tol Eressëa, visit/move to Valinor? I always assumed that they were pretty much together like they were before the flight of the Noldor, but I haven't read that part in quite some time. __________________ War Eagle.

12-16-2002, 02:38 PM	#6
Ebony Pile O'Bones Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: between a hard and a rocky place Posts: 22	I'm not aware that the ban on the exiles was ever revoked. Considering that at least Galadriel among the Noldor with with the ship, I would assume that they went to Tol Eressea. Whether or not Gandalf or any of the others went on to Valinor, I just don't know. __________________ Men are from Earth. Women are from Earth. Deal with it.

12-16-2002, 03:45 AM	#5
Selmo Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The Shire (Staffordshire), United Kingdom Posts: 273	Yes, Tol Eressëa did go with Aman when the world was "bent". It was a part of the Undying Lands, accessable only to those who cpould use the "Straight Road". It is my (possibly erroneous) understanding that the returning Noldorian exiles seattled on Tol Eressëa of their own choice, not because they were not allowed to go on to Aman. I see no reason why there should not be consatnt comings and goings between the two.

12-16-2002, 06:28 PM	#7
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	I'm pretty sure that at the end of Quenta Silmarillion the Noldor were invited back to the West; the only ones that remained behind were Galadriel, Elrond (who wasn't pure Noldo), and the two remaining sons of Fëanor (as well as the kindred that stayed with each of these leaders). __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."

12-17-2002, 03:11 PM	#8
Fair Eärendil Guest Posts: n/a	Hey, thank you for clearing my mind guys. I just found something about it here in the Barrow Downs. Take care.