WWJ VIII ~ Things That Go "Quack" In The Night

[Nogrod]

Diamond's list updated...

.. after this

++ Spawn


Morm 4 (Spawn, Ang, Cailin, Kath)

Roa 3 (Mith, Lote. Lalaith)

Spawn 4 (Glirdan, Morm, Roa, Nogrod)

Kath 1 (Sleepy)

With this, Morm is going to be lynched. I believe, we should check out this Spawn-option now. That would reveal us one liar, and not be a random-vote against someone, we just feel to be guilty... It might not be a duck - but a goose at least (and I'm not meaning Spawn, but Mith or Glirdan here).

[Lalaith]

*steps outside game briefly*

Roa, I'm sorry you feel bad. I hope you did well in your History final today. Don't leave the game if you don't get lynched.

[Roa_Aoife]

I'm sorry Lalaith. But what's going on is going to be affectong my play, and that's not fair to the other players, Villagers or Ducks. And I would be the world's biggest hypocrit if I stayed knowing I couldn't give it my best. Good luck to everyone.

[mormegil]

Roa, for what it's worth I think you should stay especially if you are innocent. If you can dedicate any amount of time to this it would be worth it for us to keep you.

I hope things work out for you.

[Lote22]

Even thought I've voted already I would like to say that I believe Glirdan. I had a bad feeling about Mith in the first place so I'm not surprised that she was lying.

[Nogrod]

I agree with Morm.

We have our mutual history of suspicion, but I really think you should go forwards - even if providing little or any help to us. If you are in the middle of a RL- crises, I understand, this sounds superficial. But really Roa! Believe me this once, when I say I would really miss you.

And if you are pulling our leg with this, I will be haunting you forever after this one - but I just couldn't believe that from you. You are a too good sport to pull these things out. So take care of yourself - and courage! That's what we need in life... more of it outside the BD, of course.

Fight for the good - as you do here, when you are not a wolf! I know you can do it!

[Valier]

So all that's left to vote is myself, JennyHallu and Elu. Should I wait to vote in case they come on and vote for someone other than Spawn?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Valier

So all that's left to vote is myself, JennyHallu and Elu. Should I wait to vote in case they come on and vote for someone other than Spawn?

I don't know about those who have not voted, but if this "current theory" has any hold, lynching Spawn would either get us a duck (+ one known Owl), or then an innocent kill (+one sure lynch tomorrow: either a goose or then a duck + a believably true Owl)

[Roa_Aoife]

Alright, I've been PMing with Diamond, and at her request, I'm going to wait till the end of Night 3 to decide if I'm staying in or not.

Valier, if you think we should lynch Spawn, then vote Spawn. If you don't think we should lynch Spawn, then don't vote for Spawn. The other votes don't matter.

I've though of something else- it's possible that Glirdan is telling the truth about Spawn, but is the final Duck himself. This is highly unlikely, as a stunt like this requires not only boldness, but recklessness. He would afterall, continue to live, and he could merely keep giving you innocents until the final day. However, his continued survival would bring up a lot of questions, and he would be the only Duck. In a village of this size, that's not a happy place to be.

So, this may be unlikely, but it's a possibility that we can't ignore.

EDIT: Cross posted. Nogrod, go to bed already. You're as much of an insomniac as I am.

[Nogrod]

With this evidence, I would go for Spawn (as it is even, and Morm has generated four votes first). There is the possibility, that other of the still non-voters is a duck, and tries to save her/his fellow by the margin of who got first the fifth vote... That would be higly suspisious, though, but still. I'm not trusting these people who just drop by to give their vote to have actually read all the stuff- so their votes might be quite random... and ill-adviced by that - or then purely malvolent.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

EDIT: Cross posted. Nogrod, go to bed already. You're as much of an insomniac as I am.

Seem to be... And really. Hang on! I'm turning to sleep any minute now- the decent bedtime is over by hours (as it is coming 3am here...) Happily I just have to go to work at 11 tomorrow...

If we get Spawn as a duck: great!

If she is innocent,
then we have Glirdan (duck/goose) - and have lost either me or Spm, but will have one more dream to go tomorrow! It's all looking good! Seems like we are having another duck in one day-night -shift!

Good night! I'll sleep lightly, and try to be aware of those beasts, maybe I can come up with one of them?

[Valier]

Glirdan you better not be lying!!

++Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant

Jenny and Elu if you do make it on please vote for Spawn so we can see if Glirdan be truthful.Oh and I guess if Elu does not vote he's out...am I right in saying that he did not vote yesterday...

[JennyHallu]

5 pages, guys? Was that really necessary?

Sorry to arrive so late: Got home from work and hubby needed to go shopping and my car needed fixed and all sorts of things happened which kept me away from my computer before reading 5 pages of WD.

I apologize to all those people who've been pumping my ego with all this talk of how much you expect of me. I've been harried and rushed so far this week, and I'm used to much more internet time with which to formulate my thoughts. I'm a quick learner, but a slow thinker.

One comment: I am definitely impressed with the quantity of the posts in this game, but hardly at all with the quality. Really, folks, a lot of the discussions I just read were petty ad-hominem attacks, and we know better. Grow up already.

Nogrod, I haven't been rude to you because you haven't annoyed me. Simple as that. I'd make you feel more at home by arguing away, but I really don't see that there's a point. Besides, Roa's been doing such a good job for me.

Valier, you didn't need to tell me. I definitely trust Glirdy before Mith. He is so much calmer and more sensible, and I have felt Mith to be more than a little off since the beginning of the game. Just because I firmly thought fanged Mith innocent in my first game, doesn't mean my instincts haven't improved. If they hadn't, Cailin and SPM wouldn't be so disappointed in my harried posts so far. Honestly, Mith as Goose explains much of the squabbling and bickering that has so frustrated me reading through today's post...she's really been at the thick of everything, baiting whomever she can into taking offense.

SO: To get it over with:

++Dancing Duck of Ungoliant (Uh-oh...Now my brain has called up the song "Disco Duck". She's got to be evil if she's got that stuck in my head.)

Now: As to other suspicions:

Obviously, I think Mith is the Goose.

I am sincerely worried about Mormegil's innocence. Especially since Mith's crazed "revelation", Morm's extensive talk about Goose/Owl masquerades really looks like instructions.

Roa has also seemed so bold as to be potentially Duckish, but hearing about her RL hassles this week (especially in the midst of my own) I am formally taking her off my suspect list. I doubt even a harried duck would withdraw from the team: he or she would have too great a responsibility to his/her fellows.

SPM has tended to confuse me so far. His fabled verbosity feels like an excellent way to evade suspicion...it would be horribly difficult just to search for clues!

I may or may not be on later. Hopefully I'll able to be more active this weekend, and I intend to put a lot more work and thought into this village. Knowing whom to ignore (Mith) should help keep it a bit more civilized. Honestly, this hurt to read.

[JennyHallu]

Oh, and if I seem rather testy (just reread and I thought I sounded testy) I haven't had dinner, and my husband has been on the phone for the last hour so I can't ask him what he wants to do for dinner, and it's...9 PM. On a Thursday. GAH!

[Glirdan]

I think, if I'm not mistaken, we still have Elu and SpM to vote, right?

What I need to know from everyone is whom to dream of. Should I dream of Mith and make it a wasted dream as morm says? Or should I look at someone else? I need suggestions.

[The Saucepan Man]

Zounds! I thought things were exciting when I was last here. It’s ten times more so now. Still, I have two Owls declaring me innocent, which can’t be a bad thing!

But I am totally confused. It has taken me an age to catch up and now it is very late in my personal village time zone. I have a busy day's Scarecrowing tomorrow, so I really oughtn’t tarry long.

Mith’s Owl claim seemed entirely credible to me when she made it, as she was under a fair bit of suspicion, not least from me, and her lynching was looking a distinct possibilty. Because Owlish behaviour can often look very much like Duckish behaviour, her claim made a lot of sense of my earlier suspicions of her. And the hints were there (though I did not spot them) in the run up to her declaration. Added to that the fact that she declared Nogrod and me to be innocent (I know that I am and I suspect Nogrod to be), her claim was (and still is) looking entirely believable to me.

Glirdan’s claim looks a lot less credible to me. If he’s a Duck, it was senseless for him to make his Owl claim when he did, since it would mean that his death would follow swiftly (in the next Day or so), leaving only one Duck against a well-populated village. The Owl had been identified, so there was little sense in a Duck declaring. However, it was a good tactic for a Goose, which is what I now suspect Glirdan to be.

Which means that spawn is probably innocent, yet is now going to die. Problem is, if Glirdan is the Goose, then, even after we lynch him, we will still have two Ducks to catch with very little to go on (unless an Owlish Mith survives tonight and delivers us a Duck tomorrow).

My vote will make no difference to today’s outcome. Even if both Elu and I vote for morm, spawn will still die because she has 6 votes and was the first to reach that total.

But vote I will. And, while I think her innocent, spawn’s death will at least be highly informative. So:

+ + dancing spawn of ungoliant

If she is guilty, then Mith is a Duck or the Goose. If she is innocent, then Glirdan is a Duck or the Goose. Either way, the Nightingale will know whom to protect tonight, and we will be one enemy down and quite possibly two by the end of tomorrow.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Glirdan

I think, if I'm not mistaken, we still have Elu and SpM to vote, right?

What I need to know from everyone is whom to dream of. Should I dream of Mith and make it a wasted dream as morm says? Or should I look at someone else? I need suggestions.

Well Glirdan, if you are the true Owl, I'm not fully convinced but Spawn's death is the hub of all of this, I would suggest not dreaming of Mith. I say this because if Spawn is guilty Mith is likely the Goose, if not you are. We can always lynch Mith or you on any given day if we lack a better suspect.

I would recommend dreaming of somebody a bit more useful and somebody that is on many lists. That would include me obviously, but others would be Roa, Jenny, and others that we would like to know like Kath for example. Of course, you could dream of any person you wish and deem best but I've already said that to dream of me is a waste of your potentially last dream, but of course nobody will believe this until I'm dreamt of or dead.

[Roa_Aoife]

Well, I think you should look at whoever you think is the most dubious. I would suggest not bothering with me, since I most likely won't be around, or Nogrod or SPM, since they could just as likely be dead. Beyond that, I would suggest not discussing it too much. If you choose to dream of an innocent, that innocent may become the Ducks kill, and end up wasting a dream.

[Glirdan]

I realise that discussing this is not a good idea, but I need ideas here!! Spm is declared innocent. I believe in Nogrod and morm's innocence as well. There's only one person who I feel I need to dream of....but I don't know if I should. Roa, you bring up a good point that it does give the Ducks another kill at Night, but wouldn't you rather have your suspicons list lowered?? As for who I will dream of...I will wait and choose....I'll let you all know in the morning...if I survive....

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Glirdan

What I need to know from everyone is whom to dream of. Should I dream of Mith and make it a wasted dream as morm says?

Well, if you are the Owl, I would not waste your dream on Mith. She will be lynched tomorrow and we will either win or we will rid ourselves of the Goose and have one more Duck to find. Similarly, Mith, if you are the Owl, do not waste your dream on Glirdan.

Whichever of you is the real Owl, you should be looking to find a Duck. It's up to you who you dream of.

Personally, those I see as the most suspicious at the moment are:

mormegil
Elu
JennyHallu

But you may disagree. Dream of the person you think looks most suspicious.

Obviously, though, if Elu does not turn up to vote today, there's no point in dreaming of him.

[JennyHallu]

Ok, now I've eaten, and I'm testier. @#*&% irritable bowels.

But...it is time to strive to be more useful. I really am sorry I've been so blah so far this game. I expected to have much more time to devote to it.

Now...where was I? OH! Usefulness...

The confusion of today's posting makes it hard to pick out who really stands out. To my mind, Morm, SPM, Noggie, Roa, Mith, Glirdy, Valier, and Anguirel are the standouts so far, for various reasons (loudness not least).

Checking back over this list, that means I (for the purposes of going to bed soon) plan to ignore Lote, Elu, DSoU, Lalaith, Cailin, Anguirel, and Kath. This in the first two cases is due to quiet, and in the latter four to consistent useful posting and discussion that seemed to avoid the gnarly pitfalls of Doom that seem to have engulfed most of the village. As I fall on the Glirdan side of the Owl/Goose camp, I think Spawn is a duck, and the rest I believe are probably innocent.

I am also not going to discuss myself, more than this brief statement: I am innocent. I am aware that SPM and Morm seem to be clamoring for more proof of that, but honestly every time I'm an ordo people start crying "wolf/duck/generally evil being" around me and I get horribly confused. I think most of the reason I'm pulling a lot of flak right now is that my posting habits just drastically changed, and there's not much I can do about that, so...umm...there. So there.

Glirdy, dream of whomever you feel most like dreaming of...but I would probably not dream of Roa, as it sounds (unfortunately) like she intends to withdraw.

Morm I just remembered I discussed with my vote earlier. I think he tops my suspicion list right now. Don't see much reason to change that...I notice he urges Glirdan to dream of someone "that is on many lists". He then goes on to list Roa, who may withdraw, and Kath, who seems to be on everyone's innocent list. I won't criticize him for listing me (though only SPM, Nogrod, and Cailin seem to have mentioned me much before), but I wonder why he urges these particular people?

SPM is, of course, always a stand out. I tend to class him as a neutral, but I'm hesitant to place him firmly into either pile as I sort out villagers in my mental village. As I said before, he confuses me, and that makes me nervous. I wish his posts were clearer, and a bit less verbose.

Noggie I think of as probably innocent. I am aware that he and I have a history of mutual suspicion, but I am going to break the tradition...I really don't see him as a Duck. This unusual ambivalence on my part has made him suspicious of me...figures I get thought of as Duckish for thinking somebody isn't.

Roa I originally suspected, mostly because of how aggressive she was. However, events today have allayed that. Covered in my post above.

Mith: Duck, Duck, GOOSE!

Glirdy: Once again, why do I accept Glirdy's revelation before Mith's? Because Glirdy's revelation was clear, useful, and involved no emotional references to Athena or Cassandra. Even if an Owlish Mith felt she was about to be lynched (which was by no means certain), there was no need to accuse everyone of willful blindness and take the tragic hero stand.

Valier is probably third on my suspicious list, behind Morm and SPM. She talks a lot, and urges people of how they should vote...honestly, plans for how votes should go always make me suspicious.

If I forgot anyone, tell me tomorrow. For now it's deadline time, and I don't feel good at all.

[Diamond18]

Final vote count:

Spawn: IIIII II (Glirdan, Morm, Roa, Nogrod, Valier, Jenny, SpM)

Mormegil: IIII (Spawn, Ang, Cailin, Kath)

Roa: III (Mith, Lote, Lalaith)

Kath: I (Sleepy)

Did not vote: Elu Ancalime. He will die alongside Spawn.

Deaths will be up shortly.

[Diamond18]

The Kum-Bah-Yah-ing of the morning was misleading indeed, as the second day saw the village descend into madness. The Moddess Goddess watched from her airy cloud throne in the sky and was amused by it all, verily.

By the close, the young Ent Glirdan’s accusation of Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant stuck, and the spider loving orcish astronaut was slated for death.

Glirdan, Roa, Nogrod, and Saucepan Orc seized the less-than-comely maiden and pinned her to the ground, though she thrashed and her skin was slimy, making it hard to get a really good handhold on her. However since Nogrod worked out, he was pretty buff, and was able to overpower their quarry.

“Let’s see how much you like spiders now,” snickered Valier, approaching with a jar of Spawn’s favorite pet spiders in her hand. Mormegil and Jenny watched approvingly but did nothing, as Morm was too idle an elf to sully his hands thus, and Jenny was, of course, not really there.

“What are you doing with my pretties?” Spawn gasped, but her question was soon answered as Valier dumped the contents of the jar into her gasping mouth.

Down her gullet tumbled the arachnids, and she choked and gagged on them, their fuzzy little thorax’s muting her screams.

The villagers watched in disgust, then horror, as the orc’s body changed. To tell the truth, aesthetically it was an improvement, as the feathers covered up her festering skin and the beak looked quite a bit better than her warty nose. But these villagers were a strange lot who lived in harmony with orcs and feared quacking waterfowl.

No sooner had she sprouted wings than the Dancing Duck of Ungoliant breathed — or rather choked — her last.

Simultaneously, the bystander Elu Ancalime was struck by a blinding flash of Mod Fire from above and burst into flames. His charred remains fell smoking to the ground and struck fear into the hearts of non-voters everywhere.

~~~~~~~~~

~ The Dead ~

Diamond Took, the Halfling Poet ~ Villager ~ Pecked to death on Night 1
Nilpaurion Felagund the Elven Pigeon-Summoning Ninja ~ Wereduck ~ Waxed on, waxed off on Day 1
Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant the Spider Loving Orcish Astronaut ~ Wereduck ~ Stuffed full of spiders and choked to death on Day 2
Elu Ancalime the Didgeridoo Dwarf ~ Villager ~ Struck by Mod Fire from above on Day 2

~ The Living ~

Anguirel the Baritone Bird Catcher
Mithalwen the Elven Saggar Maker's Bottom Knocker
Saucepan Man the Orcish Scarecrow
Mormegil the Elven Idleman
Valier the Dwarven Millet Spray Picker
Nogrod the Dwarven Personal Fitness Instructor
Kath the Rainbow Catcher
Cailín the Bird-portraitist
Roa Aoife the Batwoman
Glirdan the Entish Tree Herder
Lote22 the Elven Igloo Maker
Lalaith the Halfling Chubb Fuddler
JennyHallu the Halfling Mountaintop Guru
Sleepy Ranger the Exiled Jedi Master

[Diamond18]

The villagers rose from their beds the next morning, with feelings of mingled dread and anticipation. They gathered together and did a head count, an arm count, a leg count, and a nose, mouth, eye, toe and finger count.

The heads, noses, and mouths numbered 13 each; the arms, legs, and eyes numbered 26 each; and the fingers and toes numbered 254 in total. (It turned out that Saucepan Orc, due to bad hygiene, had suffered the loss of some digits which had rotted and fallen off. )

But I digress.

This number revealed that one amongst them was missing. Lalaith had not come out to join the others in the town square (which was technically a trapezoid in shape). So they went, in trepidation, to the chubb fuddler’s house.

Nothing seemed amiss, at first. The door was not locked, but did not seem tampered with either. When they opened it, a delicious aroma wafted up their nostrils, and their tummies rumbled as one, for they had not yet had their breakfast.

The house was empty, but they followed the tantalizing scent to the kitchen, where they found a pot simmering over the stove. One of them noticed a note taped to the lid. It read:

You must be hungry from all that killing you’ve been doing. Have some leftover Lalaith for breakfast.

Horrified, the villagers recoiled from the bubbling stew, cursing their rumbling tummies. But they had to admit, Lal did smell really good.....

~~~~~~~~~

No sooner had they made this discovery, than a messenger arrived for Roa Aoife, calling her away to rejoin her regiment, which was doing battle with gigantic were-rabbits in the south. Loyal batwoman that she was, she rushed to rejoin her officer, wishing the villagers the best of luck.

~~~~~~~~~

~ The Dead ~

Diamond Took, the Halfling Poet ~ Villager ~ Pecked to death on Night 1
Nilpaurion Felagund the Elven Pigeon-Summoning Ninja ~ Wereduck ~ Waxed on, waxed off on Day 1
Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant the Spider Loving Orcish Astronaut ~ Wereduck ~ Stuffed full of spiders and choked to death on Day 2
Elu Ancalime the Didgeridoo Dwarf ~ Villager ~ Struck by Mod Fire from above on Day 2
Lalaith the Halfling Chubb Fuddler ~ Villager ~ Boiled, mashed, and cooked in a stew on Night 3
Roa Aoife the Batwoman ~ Villager ~ Not dead, but rejoined her regiment on Day 3

~ The Living ~

Anguirel the Baritone Bird Catcher
Mithalwen the Elven Saggar Maker's Bottom Knocker
Saucepan Man the Orcish Scarecrow
Mormegil the Elven Idleman
Valier the Dwarven Millet Spray Picker
Nogrod the Dwarven Personal Fitness Instructor
Kath the Rainbow Catcher
Cailín the Bird-portraitist
Glirdan the Entish Tree Herder
Lote22 the Elven Igloo Maker
JennyHallu the Halfling Mountaintop Guru
Sleepy Ranger the Exiled Jedi Master

[mormegil]

*sigh* so we did loose Roa, thus essentially negating the nightingale's great protections of the previous night.

Glirdan do you wish to share your dream? I'm not sure how we all feel about killing Mith, I obviously think she's the goose so she would make a good kill if we have no real suspect on the docket.

[Valier]

So they choose to kill Lalaith last night, I guess the nightingale protected Glirdan then.

So Glirdan who did you dream of? I think if you choose someone other than Mith and they were innocent, we should lynch Mith, just to be sure,then try to narrow it down to the last Duck.

Mith I would like to hear what you have to say for yourself!!!!!

[mormegil]

Interesting. Only two posts so far and after yesterdays 200+...this simply won't do, people may be able to stay caught up on what is going on .

Anyway I had hoped for more people to talk before bed time but I will wait until I arise.

[Anguirel]

Alas for Lalaith. She spoke little but was more help than can be guessed; sanity, reason, kindness and scepticism came from her. The last duck did well to be rid of her, for she would have unmasked it before long.

O Lalaith! As a Birdcatcher I pledge to you that I will find this vile duck, and that as a village we shall roast it together, remembering you.

I am still not wholly convinced by Glirdan. I can't believe Mith would go to all that literary effort for a mere werewolf ploy...it seems...too male and Asperger's...

So I shall be interested to hear who Mith, too, purports to have dreamt of. Though Goose Glirdan is hard to envisage.

We were doing better before this flock of Owls made its presence felt. I almost feel like hanging the whole lot to spare us the problem. But I realise this is laziness.

In retrospect, my case for morm was pretty shoddy, but that's not to say I didn't get the right duck for the wrong reasons. One of my other main suspects was proved correct when Spawn was slain, and this makes me partly doubt Glirdan's veracity.

A lot of us already suspected Spawn. As the duellist against Mith-apparently the Owl then-she seemed likely to be duckish. Could Glirdan the Goose have picked a likely wolf to turn in, thereby being seen as the Owl and causing confusion?

Apart from that, my suspicions are scattered and I would like to see what others think...even morm...

[Cailín]

Lalaith and Roa gone! Guess she was just an innocent after all.

I was surprised, shocked and amused by last Day's events after I left. I completely trusted Mith: everything seemed to make sense... and then Glirdy arrives. I think I was one of the few people who did not so much distrust Dancing Spawn, so again the outcome of our lynching shocked me. However, yay, only one more Duck still to go!

As for the Owl question: I am now inclined to trust Glirdan. We still have many innocents against one Duck, so we can withold our judgement. If Glirdan did not lie, the Ducks will have to kill him soon no matter what - they cannot afford to keep the Owl alive. If he is not killed, we'll know what to do.

Due to Spawn's vote for Mormegil yesterDay, I consider him innocent until proven otherwise.

Nogrod is again questionable, SpM is definitely a harmless little Orc.

[Anguirel]

Originally Posted by Cailín

Due to Spawn's vote for Mormegil yesterDay, I consider him innocent until proven otherwise.

Normally I would give a patronising snort of derision at this idea, muttering "guilty until proven innocent"...

But I wonder now whether you're on to something. It did look highly likely that morm would be lynched at that point, but Roa was also a strong alternative. Surely a duck of a reduced pack would choose Roa?

But it could have been a way to ingratiate herself with us after morm's lynching, after all.

So, in conclusion, Cailin...I give a patronising snort of derision at this idea. Muttermutter guilty until proven innocent muttermutter.

[Cailín]

So, in conclusion, Cailin...I give a patronising snort of derision at this idea. Muttermutter guilty until proven innocent muttermutter.

That is your right and you might be wiser than me. Let's reduce my statement to: there are better candidates than Mormegil toDay.

I'm going to reread Spawn's posts and other people's reactions to them... Perhaps we can learn something before Glirdan and Mith return and throw the whole village into confusion again.

[Cailín]

Another question before I continue:

What is the significance, if any, of Kath and Lalaith not believing Glirdan and voting for Mormegil and Roa instead?

We know Lalaith was innocent. How about Kath?

[Cailín]

Wow, my reread has left me even more confused. If Mithalwen is indeed the Goose, then she went to some lengths proving otherwise. She has named two people innocent whom I think are innocent as well and with her everything seems to fit.

Now Glirdan… he gave us a Duck. Accidentally, maybe? Would Glirdan the Goose be convinced of Spawn's innocence? Is he a Duck? Neither of these explanations seem very likely and Mithalwen was not attacked last Night. Of course, the Duck may be as clueless as we are.

So I suppose we shall have to let it slide and focus on other matters. We have fought and argued over this too long: Glirdan and Mith are Goose and Owl and only time will tell who is who. Glirdan seems more trustworthy -he did give us a duck and deserves some credit - but I would not be willing to bet my life on it. If they find a Duck: excellent, we can lynch that person and see who was truthful. If they find innocents: wonderful, but we can never be sure.

Because of yesterDay's proceedings, voting records seem useless. In general, people followed first Mith and then Glirdan with a few notable exceptions:

Kath who voted for Mormegil after Glirdy's revelation yesterDay.
Sleepy who voted for Kath
Lalaith, now deceased, voted for Roa after Glirdy's revelation

Which brings me to the question: why Lalaith? Sure, she was wise enough and generally not suspected, but would SpM not be a better candidate for eating? He is now more or less proven to be not the Goose nor a Duck.

And maybe it is worth mentioning that Anguirel and I followed Spawn in voting Mormegil instead of Roa_Aoife as proposed by Mithalwen. I know I am innocent and just found the case against Mormegil more convincing than against Roa… and though Anguirel's behaviour might have been a bit questionable in retrospect (i.e. the fierceness and his loyalty to Owl number one), I am hesitant to judge him on this.

I am also a little wary of Nogrod and JennyHallu. Nogrod because he was declared innocent by Mith. I think him likely innocent too, but I just don't wish to forget about him. JennyHallu because she insisted on continuing persecuting Saucy despite the fact that both Owl candidates had declared him innocent.

I am currently not at all suspicious of:

Saucepan Man - obvious reasons
Valier - because of her continued good insights (though I have no idea where she gets them from. If she is the final Duck, she is playing a remarkably cunning game.)
Mormegil - as mentioned above
Lote22 - because of the voting on Day 1

[Anguirel]

On Kath's vote...I don't find it particularly remarkable. Frankly, before we saw Spawn's aspyxiated corpse, to many of us Glirdan looked as Goosish as the current Prime Minister of Great Britain, er, Tol Eressea.

Mith made so much sense she convinced her fiercest enemy, Sauce. I was sure to the point of being coruscated with guilt; I saw her revelation coming, suddenly seeing her as an Owl. She had the hints. By contrast Glirdan was blunt and abrupt, and begged the question-if you're a bleeding Owl, why haven't you been wise yet? Though of course you do get quiet Owls, Glirdan still didn't have much cred when he hooted so suddenly.

So those like Kath, who probably, like me, sympathised with Mith and felt bad, were obviously going to disregard Glirdan's assertion unless they used the Saucine logic that killing Spawn was the only way of being sure.

Well, we've killed Spawn, and I don't know about you Cailin but I'm about as sure as a shantytown...

[Mithalwen]

Before you kill me.... let me speak.

I berated Sapwn for her inconsistent reading of the instructions. Now I suggest you all do.

I was astonished to read the events after my departure and "interested" to see how some people seem to think of me. While in a way to be lynched would give me blissful release from the Kafkaesque nightmare this game has become. It won't help us win.

At first I thought that Glirdan was doing a heroic protection act, was the hawk, trusting my judgement on Spawn and saving me for another nights dream. Then I thought again about Diamond's secret. I know I have been telling the truth. I do not believe Glirdan to be malicious. Therefore either he is lying with good intention or we are both telling the truth.

I am not sure about revelaing my dream. sinceI didn't htink I had a hop of being believed I satisfied my own curiousity and found an innocent. They aren't widely suspected and if you don't give me a chance they are clearly safe today.

My main suspects are now Roa, if she is still with us, Sleepy Ranger and above all
Jenny Hallu. Her attack on me was rather vitriolic. I will be here for about 45 mins. I f anyone shows signs of listening I will come back later. If not I will stay at home and enjoy the long weekend ratehr than struggle in to Bournemouth on the bank holiday.

I am not a crack pot despite my profession.

[Mithalwen]

Sorry I see ROa has left.

Also, may I remind you that a lot of the negativity about me was stirred up by the WEREDUCK, Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant. You all put a lot of faith in her "analyses" although why cluttering up the thread by repeating what anyone could have more easily read for themselves if it weren't there helps I am not sure.



I can't believe I am saying this but I hope the Pan man is around before too long. He at least seems to be thinking outside the box at last.

[Kath]

I'm listening Mith. Stupid as it may sound to everyone I'm still not convinved by Glirdan, even after spawn was revealed to be a Duck. It could have been a lucky guess, it could have been the result of a dream, but I'm willing to hear from both potential Owl's, if only to try and clear this all up!

It's a shame we lost Roa toDay, though I think it helps a little in that she was one of the ones people were unsure over, and so we've managed to avoid a Day arguing over her role.

As to Lalaith, it seems an odd kill given the number of apparently 'proven' innocents around, as well as two possible Seers to choose from. Perhaps it was intended as a safe kill in order to avoid suspicion?

[Mithalwen]

Kath bear in mind, if you work on the hypothesis that I am telling the truth, that the Duck knows I am innocent and a likely candidate to be lynched today. HHe also knows about Glirdan - either he is Glirdan, he thinks Glirdan is the protected owl, he thinks glirdan is a protective hawk. Either way no point in killing either of us last night.

Best option to kill someone who is universally regarded as innocent.

NB He doesn't mean I definitely think the duck is male

[Mithalwen]

Forgive me one more statistic but without yet revealing last nights innocent, I will say that I don't "KNOW" about any of the remaining female villagers other than myself. However I think Lote is the least probable followed by, Kath, Cailin, Valier and JennyHallu in order though JH is a long way ahead of Valier in my suspicions.

Three males are unaccounted for (in my book) but one of those is Glirdan. If Glirdan is the Duck it is the most astounding piece of werebeast play ever surely -but that doesn't make it impossible.

[Cailín]

Well, Mithalwen. I am more confused than ever. It would be nice to be able to believe you both, but ah, what do we know? Anyway:

Best option to kill someone who is universally regarded as innocent.

Um, I hope you do not intend to kill off one of our known innocents? Could we not better kill the non-Owl / Goose / Protector we all suspect the most?

Your suspicions are similar to mine.

I am forced to leave now and let this game go for a couple of days. Diamond18 has not given me permission to do this yet, but I fear I have no choice and you will figure it out anyway... I hope no one will be mad. See the TiG Junior thread for more info.

Good luck, villagers. See you on the other side.