Tol-in-Gaurhoth XX: Wereorc I: The elves cannot hide themselves much longer.

[Grendelien]

When I first wrote about who I suspected the Shaman was, I had Celuien in mind, which is why I was able to narrow my list so much. I realized the next day that you probably weren't the Shaman because of your pretending tone. It's a good thing I didn't adhere to my predictions because I was very wrong.
Just thought I'd reveal who I had in mind at the time because I said I would.

[Celuien]

Originally Posted by Grendelien

When I first wrote about who I suspected the Shaman was, I had Celuien in mind, which is why I was able to narrow my list so much. I realized the next day that you probably weren't the Shaman because of your pretending tone. It's a good thing I didn't adhere to my predictions because I was very wrong.
Just thought I'd reveal who I had in mind at the time because I said I would.

I'm glad to hear it. If I weren't believable, the act would never have worked. Apparently, the Orcs believed me too.

It's a good thing that the scenario played out the way it did because I have no doubt that Roa and Caran would have been able to get me lynched if Zali hadn't come forward (or if someone hadn't managed to prove my innocence).

[Caranlondien]

Yeah, you had us fooled, too, the night Zali protected you. I started thinking Naria was the Shaman yesterDay, but I was afraid Zali would be protecting her, so I thought I'd get her out of the way first. By that point I knew the only way we'd win would be if I got the dream...

[Caranlondien]

Hmm, I suppose all this is taking away from the suspense...

I retract my previous statements and reassert that I am not an orc!

[Sleepy Ranger]

++Caran

So thats it?

[Caranlondien]

I'm no orc! I play the harp, for goodness sake! I ask you, would an orc play a harp?

[Naria]

Naria: Are you the Shaman? Just curious.

Hello all, and yes I am your Shaman!!

I picked Caran last because I had this bitter taste in my mouth that I just couldn't get rid of no matter how much mouth wash I used.

No! I'm the Shaman!

Good bye....you...you....ugh...nasty, smelly Orc!!


I hope I have done well by all of my fellow villagers....yay!!

++Caranlondien

[Grendelien]

Well, that depends. What can you play on your harp?

[Caranlondien]

Originally Posted by Naria

Good bye....you...you....ugh...nasty, smelly Orc!!

Smelly? It's you elves who stink!

Originally Posted by Grendelien

Well, that depends. What can you play on your harp?

I know, um, "Death to the Elves"...

[Grendelien]

Well done, Naria! You made thoughtful, wise picks!

[Grendelien]

Originally Posted by Caranlondien

I know, um, "Death to the Elves"...

Haha, that's what I thought...write it as well?

..Oh, and you also played very well!

[Caranlondien]

++Celuien

And I would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!

(What, you elves don't watch Scooby-Doo?)

[Farael]

So it happened, that many days after the death of Farael and after the hard endeavours of the Ranger and the Shaman the last wereorc was dreamt of. Celuien came forward declaring that Caranlondien was the last remaining wereorc. Naria confirmed not only her Shamanship (or Shamanerism, whichever you prefer) but also that Caranlondien had been chosen for the night’s dream and so the village prepared to lynch the last remaining foe in their midst.

Yet there was a slight inconvenience. It was not the end of the day yet, so technically they weren’t allowed to lynch anyone.

(Music starts playing….)

Charara-rara-rarará (tric tric tric) Charara-rara-rarará (tum-tric) Charara-rara-rarará

Everyone: Wooooooooooo!!!!

Caranlondien Alright you’ve gotta let me know
Should I stay or should I go?
If you say that you don’t mind
I’ll kill you all one at the time
So you got to let know
Should I stay or should I go?

Nogrod It’s always lies lies lies

Siempre - mintiendo y engañando

So I’ll be saying my good-byes

La verdad tu me estas hartando

SleepyRangerOn days you are fine on nights you are not

De dia bien de noche no

A monster that Eru forgot

Un monstruo que Eru olvido

NariaWell come on, what say you all?

Me tienen que decir

Should she stay or should she go?

Se debe ir o quedarse?

Everyone: Should she stay or should she go now?
Should she stay or should she go now?
If she goes there will be trouble
An’ if she stays it will be double
So come on and let us know
Should she stay or should she go?

Caran:This indecision’s bugging me

Esta indecision me molesta

If you don’t want me, set me free

Si no me quieres, librame

Tell me who I’m supposed to be

Digan me yo quien debo ser

Ain’t we all sons of the same god?

Somos hijos del mismo dios

Well, come on and let me know

Me tienes que decir

Will you lynch me or will you not?

Me lincharan o quisas no?


Everyone: Should she stay or should she go now?
Should she stay or should she go now?
If she goes there will be trouble
An’ if she stays it will be double
So come on and let us know
Should she stay or should she go?

Celuien: You should give up I dreamt of you

Ya no me jodas te soñe

If you don’t do it I’ll do it for you

Si no lo haces lo hare yo

Grendelien So this is it, how should it be?

Es el final, como lo haremos?

We have no rope to hang her with!

No nos queda ni una cuerda

So, I better ask you all

Yo pregunto esta vez

Should we lynch her, should we not?


EveryoneShould we lynch her, should we help her?
Should we lynch her, should we help her?
If we are good she might still kill us
But there’s no way from her to rid us
So you I ask ‘cos I don’t know
Should she stay or should she go?

Naria Suddenly interrupted the singing and dancing with a piercing scream that drew everyone’s attention to the task at hand

Naria with a piercing scream: SHE IS RUNNING AWAY!!!

Caranlondien was already half way to the village’s entrance and there was no one fast enough to catch her. She was sprinting like only really scared wereorcs can sprint (and that’s really fast) and so she dove head-first on to the exit, knowing that she’d be free as soon as she crossed the village’s walls. Yet she never crossed it. As it happened, because of an oversight, a certain lieutenant of Sauron, much weaker in were-thing lore than his master, devised a plan to force the village onto starvation. The door that Caranlondien was diving head-first through happened to be a weredoor, set in place to prevent vital resources coming into the village and thus effectively starving it. Yet the weredoor was only a door in appearance, as it was actually a rather strong wall. Let’s just say that after hitting the door running at full speed, the villagers had very little work to do on Caranlondien.

Survivers:
Nogrod: unemployed barber.
Grendelien: village whittler
Celuien:lampwright
Naria:The grower of magnificent flowers
Sleepy A barrel of apples


Non-survivers (or Death-ers, however you prefer to call yourself)
FaraelMod: He dyed… erm I mean died.
GlirdanRepentant werewolf : Choked on an apple. No wonder why werewolves are carnivores.
JennyHalluWereorc: Escaped the village, but could not escape the laws of physics.
Dancing Spawn...: Just a merchant: Trapped on a deathly spider’s web.
Kitanna:The town's gate-keeper: Had a lobotomy performed by an angry woodpecker.
Legolas in spandex: Legolass (A movie-Legolas impersonator): Overwhelmed and or frightened into leaving the village after seeing what had happened to Kitanna
Diamond: Simply a normal, very bad stone cutter - scared to death by orcs
Findëasëa: paleo-elf-tropologist: Lynched by a small margin.
Zali: stringer-of-bows (I owe you a death scene, I’ll do it as soon as I can)
Roa_Aoife aspiring ballad writer Shot down by Zali while trying to flee hanging
Caranlondien: aspiring harpist: Tricked by a weredoor. I bet that Sauron was wishing he had more palantir available to communicate with his lieutenants.

Congratulations villagers!! You have won this game

Also, commendations for the wereorcs on a game well played.

[Diamond18]

Whoo hoo! Village win! We rock! I had the Shaman as one of my top suspects! Yee ha! I suck!



I would now like to treat you all to a magnificent firework display rivalling the likes of Mithrandir.

*Invokes a dozen multi-colored light absorbing Silmarils in celebration*

*runs for cover*

[Farael]

Caran has gracefully conceded, so I figured I'd end the day now rather than let it drag on.

Also, the song (just in case it's not obvious) is based on "Should I stay or should I go?" and on alternating lines you have the text in English or Spanish. Zali, I will write your death scene when I get a chance (and some inspiration)

Ok, now that the game is over I can say that you all were awesome. Let's do it on a one-by-one basis

Caranlondien: aspiring harpist: You played great, if Naria had not dreamt of you I think you might have been able to go all the way
JennyHallu: Doomsday prophet : Same as above, Naria was really smart on choosing you
Nogrod: unemployed barber: I found it funny that at times you were REALLY wrong yet you sounded convincing enough to make myself hesitate and check the roles list as always, good job
Grendelien: village whittler: Lately we have been lucky with our newbies.... to say that you played an excelent game would be an understatement!
Findëasëa: paleoelfropologist : Same as above, I would have liked to read a bit more from you but you played a good game.
Celuien:lampwright: Your Shaman hints not only might have saved Naria, but they helped Zali avoid yet another kill.
Zali: stringer-of-bows: Great job as a ranger! When you came out at first I thought it was a bad move, but the wereorcs seemed to have other plans. I think I get what they were trying to do and it almost worked, but you were able to foil their attacks twice. GREAT job
Diamond: Inept Jewel Smith : It was a shame to see you go (gamewise) You are a smart lady... but don't go around saying that you can't help the village because you can
Dancing Spawn...: a merchant: Spawny, I think I still have to reply your last PM =P But other than that, a well played game even if cut short.
Glirdan:Very confused wereWOLF hunter (confused as he's faced with wereorcs rather than werewolves): You didn't have time to do a thing... but I'm sure that if you had had you would have been an asset for the village.
Kitanna: The town's gate-keeper: At times the strong silent type, I think there was a lot more going on than what you got to write down. Good game.
Naria:The grower of magnificent flowers: I think everyone should stop by the Green Dragon Inn and buy Naria a few ales. She has more than excelled on her role as a Shaman.
Sleepy A barrel of apples*: Man, what was your plan? if it was to have the wereorcs go for Celuien at the same time the Ranger protected her, it was clearly a good move. If it was something else, please do explain.
Legolas in spandex:Legolass (A movie-Legolast impersonator) : Maybe next time around you will get a better grasp of the rules =) I'm sorry if I took you out of the game but people who are not participating can not only be a distraction but make the game slightly unfair for those who take the time to write. If you ever decide to play again, I wish you the best of lucks =)
Roa_Aoife aspiring ballad writer: Ah, cunning Roa... you are a danger for the villagers, completely unsuspected for the first few days. What was your plan for Zali?

Special mention
Folwren: A HUGE thanks for everything. Honest, you saved my... rear end... a few times =)

[Caranlondien]

Great job, everyone! I had so much fun being an evil orc... And I love my death scene!

[Findëasëa]

This game was so much fun, I really look forward to playing again in the future.

Caran: And I love my death scene!

I enjoyed your death scene as well, but I liked mine better by a small margin. (ha ha)

[Grendelien]

Findeasea, your suspicions of Roa were correct all along! Your instincts are quite intact...drop me on an island, and I'm lost. Hah. Hmm. Excellent game!

[Caranlondien]

Naria, may I ask who you dreamt of the first night? Just curious...

[Farael]

Originally Posted by Caranlondien

Naria, may I ask who you dreamt of the first night? Just curious...

Actually, it was Kitanna.... I wonder why though. Naria?

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by Farael

Diamond: Inept Jewel Smith : It was a shame to see you go (gamewise) You are a smart lady... but don't go around saying that you can't help the village because you can

Thank you, though I have a few reservations about how smartly I played the game. What is it with me and always suspecting the Seer/Shaman?

Everyone: good game. I'd say more but I think I've repped you all already with glowing terms anyway. It was fun while it lasted, and I will have my revenge on you, Roa and Caran, watch your backs!

I will say, Farael I loved your narrations, all very funny! Loved the big finale especially! And thanks to Folwren for filling so we didn't riot most days....

[Caranlondien]

Well, I loved this village... you were all so frustrating to be up against! Apologies to all those I helped to kill... (*chuckles quietly*). Much as I loved the role, it was rather more stressful than being a villager. I swear I had a dream last night involving something about my professor declaring that I was an orc...

Though Jenny (unluckily for us) died early, Roa and I continued to be very verbose orcs. I saved our correspondence (for reference, given my lack of experience), so I'd be happy to post some highlights.

Once again, congratulations to you villagers, and Naria and Zali, you guys were awesome.

[Findëasëa]

Caran: I saved our correspondence (for reference, given my lack of experience), so I'd be happy to post some highlights

That would be awesome. This has been a great learning experience for me. Who knew that orcs could play the harp and keep good records?

[Caranlondien]

Originally Posted by Findeasea

That would be awesome.

Sure, I shall post some in the morning, as right now I'm not on my own computer...

I also have to say that I found it much harder than I expected to behave like "myself"... which Naria just had to go and notice!

[Naria]

I wonder why though. Naria?

I picked Kitanna because I thought that she was less likely to be an Orc....don't ask me how I came to that conclusion, because I really don't know. I didn't want to pick an Orc right off the bat because then I would have had to tell everyone that I dreamt of an Orc and my role would have been revealed....the Shaman gets the first dream.

The rest of my picks came from simple deductions.

I have to say though, that I really didn't like my role at first. I thought that it was quite the rip off that I picked the people and others took them for their own use. However, as the game progressed I rather grew to love the Shaman role and found it to be alot of fun when others could see what I saw. Thanks Farael!!

[Naria]

I also have to say that I found it much harder than I expected to behave like "myself"... which Naria just had to go and notice!

I found it quite difficult myself. I guess the first time being a baddie is always the hardest(for me it was anyway...in a past village I was merauding). I wouldn't mind trying my hand at it again sometime though.

Ha ha.....Caran, you are very welcome! I just couldn't help but point that out to everyone

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Can this be true? We finally have two village victories in a row!

Congrats, villagers, you did good job spotting the orcs! It was fun to play with so many of you for the first time. I wish I could have lived a bit longer amongst such a nice bunch of players. Oh well, nasty orcs... Okay, you orcs were great, too. Wonderfully sneaky!

Farael, thanks for really entertaining modding! I loved my death.

Zali, wow, a most impressive performance as the Ranger! And thanks for saving my skin on the first time.

Naria, you were a helpful Shaman, well done!

[The Saucepan Man]

Well done folks! that was a very enjoyable game to follow. Wish I'd been in it now although, as I was away over Easter, it would have been impossible as it turned out.

Just wanted to say a few things, really:

First, I thought the Shaman role worked out really well. So many possible but not quite definate unknowns. Well done on coming up with that Farael. I am sure that the Shaman will see action again in future games. And well done, Naria, for playing the role so well and making such good picks. You really excelled yourself in that game.

Secondly, I cannot for the life of me work out why you Orcs did not kill Zali instead of D18 that night. I realise that there was a possibility of discrediting her, although the longer she was around with no real Ranger coming forward, the less likely it was that she would be lynched. And also, it was only a matter of time before the Shaman dreamed of her. I also realise that you were after the Shaman, but wouldn't it have been better to get rid of the known innocents until you had a firmer fix on her? I'm just interested to hear what you reasoning was on this.

One more thing. Orcs, you played really well. I did not suspect JennyH at all, and she was really just unlucky. Nice attempt at confusion, by the way, just before you died. It's a double-edged sword, though, as , while it can lead the village into all sorts of red herrings, a few did manage to spot the one Orc on your "dangerous innocents" list. And I am proud to say that I spotted Roa and Caran from fairly early on. You both seemed to be posting a lot without saying very much, which is not your usual style (and, although I haven't played with either of you yet, I do keep an eye on these things). That's not to say at all that you didn't play well. You both did. Very well. It's just that it doesn't happen very often that my suspicions are right. In fact, I think I'm better at spotting Wolves/Orcs as an observer than as a player.

And boy, Roa, can you be aggressive.

And I take back what I said about Were-Orcs. It actually worked quite well. And, as we are shortly to be terrorised by Were-Ducks, well Orcs do seem rather fearsome in comparison ...

[Celuien]

Hurray for the villagers! Two in a row!

All three of our Wereorcs did a great job. I never suspected Jenny. Nor would I have spotted Roa all that easily if not for that bit about Spawn at the beginning. And Caran was great - I almost doubted myself about Caran until the dream came through because of Naria's vote for Findeasea when we were trying to get Roa before.

But I'm still confused about why you chose Diamond. So, why?

But I am rather proud of this list from yesterday;

Originally Posted by Celuien

(Lovely, lovely chicken, rice, string beans and garlic bread. )

Where was I? Right. I'll borrow Nogrod's format and present my suspect list, in order:

Roa
Caranlondien

Naria


Grendelien

Proven innocent:
Zali
Nogrod
Sleepy
Me (check out the math below)

Naria - great dream picks!

Zali - great Rangering (again)!

Very enjoyable game, everyone.

Originally Posted by SPM

And I take back what I said about Were-Orcs. It actually worked quite well. And, as we are shortly to be terrorised by Were-Ducks, well Orcs do seem rather fearsome in comparison ...

Well, I don't know.
This Were-Duck is a bit fearsome, don't you think?

[Sleepy Ranger]

Originally Posted by Caranlondien

++Celuien

And I would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!

(What, you elves don't watch Scooby-Doo?)

What about the apple barrel?

And yes Farael, that was indeed my plan. I picked Celuien since I was certain she wasn't the seer, to be honest I had no clue who it was. I never did actually think Naria was an orc and all I was trying to do when I randomly shoved accusations at her was make the orcs think that she'd get lynched and so leave her alone.

I think it was stupid of me not to suspect the only person who backed me on my vote for Naria! Odd that this got by even Noggie. Anyway, good game people. The Ranger and Shaman played brilliantly.

[JennyHallu]

AGH! Naria! Why did you have to dream of me???

But I thought long and hard about my confusion posts. They were just intended to drive you guys batty, and try to get messages to my orcish friends, but I had to take the risk that they wouldn't understand the message.

I LOVED how many directions you took them. Pure validation, right there.

Orcs, I thought it was funny that you left poor Zali for two days, but why did you try for Celuien??? I was yelling at my computer "She can't be the Shaman!!! It's too bloody obvious!!!!"

I love being an orc and it was so frustrating to die so early.

Roa and Caran, you did an excellent job playing off my nonsense. Fun to read.

[Celuien]

Originally Posted by Sleepy Ranger

What about the apple barrel?

And yes Farael, that was indeed my plan. I picked Celuien since I was certain she wasn't the seer, to be honest I had no clue who it was. I never did actually think Naria was an orc and all I was trying to do when I randomly shoved accusations at her was make the orcs think that she'd get lynched and so leave her alone.

I think it was stupid of me not to suspect the only person who backed me on my vote for Naria! Odd that this got by even Noggie. Anyway, good game people. The Ranger and Shaman played brilliantly.

Aw, apple barrel. You did a great job. It was a good plan, and worked out very nicely. I'm just waiting for my 24 hour rep-excess limit to be up to give your rep points.

Anyway, I'm definitely seeing why any Seer/Shaman impersonation is risky business. As soon as Naria started suspecting me, I was pretty sure she was the Shaman since the only one who could be sure I was faking was the real Shaman. Thus, impersonations could be a fairly effective werecreature tactic to flush out dangerous gifteds, making even well-intentioned innocent impersonator look guilty and possibly revealing the player that was supposed to be protected. Just look at how many folks were after me before Zali told everyone I was the one she guarded. And Naria was pretty revealed at that point - well, at least to me. And Caran figured it out too, though last night was too late to act on it.

Hehe, Jenny. Maybe they figured I was just a very bold Shaman trying to hide in the open (or panicking after being flushed out by Sleepy, which is how I was sort of trying to play the role) and didn't want to risk leaving me around for an extra dream, even if I did look too obvious to be true.

I'm looking forward to the PMs.

[Caranlondien]

I don't know how much you guys want... Day One we talked comparatively little, so I'll just post everything... although I think it only serves to show how completely clueless I was at the beginning

Also, when we were discussing players, please note how we were talking about whose words could potentially be twisted into looking suspicious. We never said anything disparaging about anyone, and indeed, at the beginning I felt totally overwhelmed when I looked at the list of players we were up against...

NIGHT ONE

Originally Posted by Roa

WOOT! I was hoping for this role....
Hello, my fellow orcs. This is my first time playing in a WW game. (I normally stick to the WWJ lot....) Jenny, it's nice to play with you again. Caran, I don't actually know you, but this should be a great way to get to know each other.

As far as strategy goes, it is my understanding that people generally look for the Loud wolf, the Quiet wolf, and the just on the radar wolf.... so let's avoid those stereo types, shall we? We should avoid looking like a group as much as we can, but we shouldn't go out of our way to not mention each other. Uhhh, standard stuff, really.... If one wolf is going down, lynch her. (Caran are you a girl?) No saving eachother unless you're certain you can get away with it. I don't care if I survive till the end so long as our team wins.

With that out of the way, who have you all played with, and who do you think is the most dangerous to our group?

Originally Posted by Jenny

I have played with all but Findesea, Grendelien, DSoU, and Legolass.

I think Dancing Spawn is the one to fear. Depending on Day 1, taking her out early may be a very good idea. Nogrod worries me, but he also tends to be too loud for his own good. Diamond is likely to analyze herself into a corner.

This is my first regular WW too, Roa, but the lines between those groups is fuzzier and fuzzier.

Originally Posted by Caran

Ah, this is exciting

Oh, yes, I'm a girl; I should probably get around to changing my profile (with the confusing Monty Python reference). And I'm thrilled to be a Wereorc with both of you!

I agree about avoiding the wolvish stereotypes, Roa. It seems to me that the best thing to do is, well, to act like ourselves.

I've only played in one game (the last WW), so I guess I don't have much of an established self to act like, but that may also give me a bit of leeway. However, I shall endeavor to react to things the way that I would if I were not an orc.

The only ones I've played with are Celuien, Dancing Spawn, Glirdan, and Naria. I agree that Dancing Spawn is the most dangerous. Celuien is the another one I'd watch on the list. And from what I've seen, Nogrod does seem dangerous, too.
Finally, I also agree that we should be ruthless in sacrificing ourselves for the good of the team.

As for Day 1, it's often totally random, so it's probably best to just behave as we would normally. Of course, that can be hard

Originally Posted by Roa

So, none of us have played with Legolass, Grendelian, and Findesea- We'll have to keep an eye on them this game.

One's I have played with-

Nogrod needs to be watched. He's very clever, but he's also very agressive and tends to draw a lot of suspicion.

Diamond is very vocal, but with proper wording she can be misdirected into attacking someone else.

Glirdan can be vocal but again tends to be misdirected. He could be an easy lynch, but he might not be.

I haven't played enough with Kitanna to know much about her.

Naria is a good player and self-sacrificing villager. She may intentionally misdirect us to protect the gifted.

Sleepy is just dangerous. I might want to keep him around to see what he does, but he is very detail oriented and will pick up on the smallest slip. Be cautious with him around.

Originally Posted by Caran

Sorry to inundate you with PMs...
But it just occurred to me that we should let one another know of our general schedules. I'm GMT -4. Generally, I'll be able to check the site on and off between 1:00 pm GMT and 5:00 am GMT (that's between 9:00 am and midnight for me). I can devote the most time to wereorc-ing towards the end of that cycle, but of course if we establish ahead of time a need for us to be around at a certain time, I can always try my darnedest to be there.

As for secret codes... they would have to be indecipherable to anyone but us. Otherwise, I'm game!

-Caranlondiorc

Originally Posted by Roa

I'm at GMT -5, so I'm an hour behind you. (Where do you live, Greenland?) I'm usually available solidly at 9pm-12am my time, and depending on the day, I could be available anytime between 10 AM and 3 PM. I definitely won't be available between 3pm and 6pm except on the weekends, and even that's iffy, and I'm never available Sunday mornings (I have church.)

Code? What code? Where? Who mentioned a code? If you want to send a message during the day, here's one for you: If I start coming up with reasons why you're being suspicious, stop acting so suspicious.

... My name is pronounced Row-ah Eef-ah, so if I exchanged the Eef for an Orc, it would be Roa Orcah....

Just call me Shamu

Originally Posted by Caran

Actually, I'm on U.S., east coast, so I'm EST normally, but Daylight Savings messes things up. It's annoying.

Sorry about not explaining the "codes" thing! Farael wrote in the messages he sent to us that we may use code-words or code-phrases if we please, so that's what I meant... And I like your suspicion-code, Roa (Shamu!)

Originally Posted by Roa

East Coast US? I'm East Coast US. I thought we were -5GMT... Daylight savings changes it? I need to get more global.

Thanks for explaining the code words thing. I've never heard of that before, and I don't know hwo we could do that with tipping someone off. Obviously we shouldn't vote for the same people if we can avoid it, and we shouldn't bandwagon, so just stay out of eachother's way during the day, try to pick up why one of us would draw suspicion onto you, etc...

Oh, if one of us points suspicion at another, come up with a defense, but don't turn it around- people will see that as wolf on wolf and it will draw attention to the relationship.

Originally Posted by Jenny

Sorry for the absence, I too am East Coast, but I had to run and get groceries. Yum. However, through this week I will not be on often in the evenings or at all on Sunday due to Easter services and festivities.

But our RL nights will all be the same. Lovely!

Originally Posted by Caran

I wouldn't have known either, except that I have my time option set to GMT -5, and the option to auto-detect for DST. I just noticed it said GMT -4 when I looked at the bottom of my screen before.

Yeah, codes are risky, in case they're deciphered. So I guess it's best not to use them, unless at some future time we decide overnight that one might be necessary.

Sorry, I'm tired so I just have to clarify. Do you mean that if Orc 1 casts suspicion on Orc 2, Orc 2 should come up with a defense, but Orc 1 shouldn't outright say that she no longer suspects them? Hmm, I think that was an even more confusing way of putting it

Are there any other typical werewolf slip-ups you can think of that we should avoid? As I said, I've only been in one game, so I have limited knowledge

Originally Posted by Jenny

If Orc Sally says Orc Billy is EVIL, Orc Billy should say "I am not EVIL, I am GOOD!", but Billy shouldn't say "Sally must be EVIL for thinking that I am EVIL!!"

Originally Posted by Roa

Jenny explained what I was getting at beautifully. Something else to look out for is jumpiness. Don't over-react to accusations, especially on Day 1, when most accusations are fairly random. Stay consistent with whatever you say. Don't jump around from point to point, change opinions with out explanation, and don't be too defensive. If someone brings up an accusation, defend yourself and leave it at that. Arguing too much is a dead give away (pardon the pun.) Watch out for "safe" votes, as those usually draw a lot of questioning. Try not to band-wagon, since band-wagoners are closely looked at. And whatever you do, watch the Freudian slips. Things like, "I've never been a wolf before..." etc. (I did that my first game as a wolf and it was jumped on so fast that I had no idea what hit me.) Also, don't be too vicious in attacking someone. Being to vocal in the lynching of an innocent draws a lot of attention.

Those are all the really obvious mistakes that can be made. I'm sure you've picked up on some of those yourself.

Originally Posted by Roa

One last thing
Do not, I mean, DO NOT forget to clean out your inbox. The only thing that keeps this from being heavily weighted against the wolves is that we know who our teammates are and we can work together to win, while the villagers don't know who to trust and therefore can't act as a team. If we can't communicate, our best advantage is gone.

Originally Posted by Caran

At least I have that under control; I've been copying and pasting them all to a Word file for reference, and deleting them as I go along.

Thanks for the tips. Does anyone know when the Day starts? Just in case I don't get to talk to you guys again before Day 1 begins, good luck, and I have confidence in both of you! I'm happy that my first game in a wolfing (okay, okay, orcing) role is with two such astute people on my side!

Anyway, I'll still be around for a while before going to sleep, so I'll keep checking.

[Nogrod]

Just awesome!

This was probably the finest village I've ever played in. All players were cunning and open, meaning: no one-liner players and some really crafty playing on both sides (villagers, orcs).

Just some specials...

Celuien: Incredibly well impersonated! Just fooled the orcs completely. I had my doubts before Sleepy's dream on me, but then on, I just watched from side and enjoyed.

Sleepy: Well thought of plan, great backing!

Naria: You really did it! The orcs just didn't seem to have a clue (until it was too late). Excellent work! And the picks too, well thought of. *bows*

Zali: Two saves!!! Couldnt we make you a permanent WW-ranger?

Grendelien & Findëasëa: Just impossibly-great first-time gaming!!! I'm just humbled in front of you! So fine playing from both of you!

Orcs: Jenny was unlucky to be dreamed of (or then Naria just was just so clever) so early. Roa I'm beginning to fear even more than I feared before the game, and Caran was just awesome (even though she ended up quite high in my list, but anyways).


Btw. Nice detail: almost all were against my plan of revealing the dreams every day, and still we played that way the whole game and won...
(Surely, I see, the situation might have been different, and the plan could have backfired.)

And as last but not the least:
Farael: your posts were just hilarious, and the most entertaining! I really enjoyed them!

Love you all!

[Caranlondien]

Here's all of Night Two. Sorry about killing you, Spawn You were too clever for your own good!

NIGHT TWO

Originally Posted by Caran

Thoughts on Day 1
Hello, my fellow orcs!

I think today went pretty well. Day 1 is pretty random, so the bits of suspicion that got cast our way don't seem that monumental.

Something that occurred to me during the Day that we should figure out is what to do if one of us gets the dream. It seems like Farael plans to send them out at the very end of the night, so we won't be able to discuss. Of course it probably depends on the particulars of the situation...

Originally Posted by Jenny

I dunno. Right now all I know is that I think we should kill Nogrod or Spawn. Whichever.

Originally Posted by Caran

Yes they're my top two picks, too. Do you think Spawn might lead back to Roa, or do you think the others would think it too obvious? There is, of course, the possibility that Spawn is the Shaman and dreamt of Roa, in which case I think we'd want to kill her as quickly as possible.

Regardless of her status (ordo or gifted), I'm leaning towards killing Spawn.

Oh, and when I first read this:

...I could not stop laughing.

Originally Posted by Roa

I say we leave Nogrod for now. I also think we should be looking for the Shaman. They recieved a dream before Day 1 started, so they knew something for certain. I'm actually tempted to suspect Spawn in this instance, because she's so certain of my guilt when her case is non-existant. (If she is the seer, I'm going to scream....) If she isn't the seer and we kill her, I believe I can dodge the bullet. If she is the seer, well, I expect you both to lynch me.

As for what to do if one of us should get a dream- here's where code words would come into play. We could let each other know that we dreamed, and who of, and whether or not that person is gifted, so incase the dreamer is killed, we can know who to kill off. Of course, it's just an ordo, we should probably ignore it. If we recieve a dream about each other, obviously we would keep it silent.

And we couls always grant Sleepy's request and kill him....

Originally Posted by Roa

New Thought
If we can all agree that Spawn is most likely the Shaman, why not leave her alone for the night? Tomorrow, you two can get me lynched, thus avoiding suspicion till near the end. Then you can kill Spawn the next night, and thus stop the dreamer from dreaming. It could keep you both alive till the end.

The only question is- is it worth the risk of sacrificing me only to find that Spawn is not the seer?

Originally Posted by Jenny

I don't think so. AND I don't think Spawn is the Shaman. Just because she suspected you doesn't mean she dreamed of you, especially since it's highly unlikely she received her own dream. I want to get rid of her because she's smart, not because I think she's the Shaman. I don't think we need to sacrifice anybody yet.

Originally Posted by Caran

Actually, Farael said that the first night the Shaman would recieve the dream. So it's entirely possible that it was Spawn and she did dream of Roa. But I'm nowhere near sure; I mean, when my brother was a wolf, Farael seemed certain of his guilt from Day 1 without having any real case, and he turned out not to be the seer.

Then again, this is exactly what happened with Spawn in XIX; she dreamt of Lhuna, then, and made a quiet case against her from the beginning.

Originally Posted by Jenny

Yes, but she didn't vote for her, and indeed agreed with her in the only time she mentioned her first day. DS as a seer is much less obvious than to come out and vote for her dream first night. I don't think she's Shaman, or if she is, I don't think she dreamed of Roa.

Originally Posted by Caran

I agree that it's unlikely. But I still think we should kill Spawn, merely for her irritating insightfulness.

Originally Posted by Roa

Alright, I say we kill Spawn tonight. Even if she's the seer, I think I may be able to dodge the bullet. (I'm related to Superman you know....) If the general opinion starts to look bleak for me, vote me early. They probably won't expect for two wolves to vote for another in succession. That's just a suggestion, though. Do what you need to stay low.

Originally Posted by Jenny

Well I think we are agreed. Kill Spawn! Who's going to be our spokesorc?

Originally Posted by Roa

I'm sending our kill to Farael. He's ben copied into this message.

++Spawn

[Nogrod]

Caran: Thank's for the "orc-diaries"! They were really intresting stuff to read.

Can we have more...?

EDIT: X-posted with Caran: thanks for the day two.

[Caranlondien]

Ah, the death of Jenny. So sad...
I think going after Spawn was the right move (even if she turned out not to be the Shaman...) but I think that by not killing Zali that night, it made it easier for us to continue to make the mistake of not killing her. Although we really did have a good plan. If Naria had held off one Day more on dreaming of Zali...

NIGHT THREE

Originally Posted by Caran

Well, that was interesting...
My first thought:

We should kill Dancing Spawn tonight. I strongly suspect she is the Shaman. Zali can't protect her tonight, and she won't be able to protect herself toMorrow Night, either, so for all intents and purposes she is merely an ordo. They're both definitely known innocents, but as Spawn might be the Shaman, it's better to kill her.

Now, if Spawn is the Shaman, this looks very bad for you. If only we'd been able to kill Spawn last Night! I hope I did all right on analyzing you toDay; I began to feel sure Spawn was the Shaman quite early on, and figured I should distance myself from you somewhat. Of course, at that point I had no idea anyone was on to Jenny...

At least Sleepy seems to have bought some of the lines Jenny was feeding them at the end there... She certainly went out with a bang.

I have to go eat dinner... I'll be back in two hours or so.

Originally Posted by Roa

Even if Spawn isn't the Shaman, she's a known innocent, so we have to kill her anyways. Not only that, but if Zali is still alive, it will draw suspicion. IN fact, the longer we leave Zali alive, the more suspicion she gains. Yes, she could still foil us, but I have a way around that... We start killing the quiet ones. Then it also draws suspicion on Nogrod. It could come back on me, but I feel fairly certain that I can stay alive long enough to pull off the last part. Zali will keep insisting she's the protector. When we get few enough villagers, which ever one of us is the most suspicious at the time (most likely me) can come forward and say I was the true protector, and I was trying to avoid being killed long enough to properly protect the village. If no one buys it and I get lynched, kill Zali. If everyone buys it, obviously don't be the first. Once Zali dies, they'll know I was lying and lynch me, but you can escape long enough to win.

What do you think?

Originally Posted by Caran

Good plan. I'm all for it; then we agree - we kill Spawn tonight. I wonder who the Shaman will choose for the dream tonight? Of course, I never would have guessed they'd dream of Jenny, so there's no point guessing, I suppose.

Would you like to send the choice to Farael, or should I?

Originally Posted by Roa

I can send it right now. Just one thing- If Spawn isn't the Shaman, we should kill Zali the next night, because the Shaman will most likely Dream of her.

Originally Posted by Caran

Yes, agreed. Now, we're down to two... should we still be as ruthless in killing each other off, should we come under suspicion? And tomorrow, assuming Spawn is the Shaman, I'm assuming you'll offer a defense of yourself - do you have any advice on how I should respond?

Man this is nerve-wracking... but also incredibly fun!

Originally Posted by Roa

I have a defense in mind, but you've already expressed suspicion of me. Don't back off now, or you'll be called on flip-flopping. Still, think like an ordo- if my defense seems reasonable, back up a little and focus elsewhere. Otherwise, don't attack too viciously, or it will be turned around on you.

One other thing- if I do get lynched tomorrow, it will be up to you if you want to carry through the Zali plan. Obviously you'll have to leave out the last bit, since you won't have anyone to sacrifice.

I know! The wolf is my favorite role to get. Does that make me evil?

Originally Posted by Caran

I hope not, because it's my favorite role so far, too.

Must head off to sleep now... if I think of anything else, I'll PM you in the morning (and of course if you have any other ideas/words of advice, please do PM me!). Otherwise, good luck toMorrow! After our failed kill last Night and Jenny's death toDay, we're due for some good luck...

[Caranlondien]

Yeah, at the end of Day Four I completely messed up, I think drawing some of the suspicion that would be my undoing. And that list of players there in my first PM is very helpful, isn't it?

I had completely forgotten our discussion on this Night... If only we had killed Naria! But neither of us remotely suspected her as the Shaman at this point, and as she was drawing suspicion, she seemed like a bad choice. Zali, who were you protecting Night Four?

Also, I have to say that at this point, despite certain mistakes we made, Roa's calmness is what got us as far as we went. I was rather jumpy (i.e., pacing around my room wringing my hands... okay, maybe not quite that bad)

Sleepy and Nogrod, you had me totally confused!

NIGHT FOUR

Originally Posted by Caran

Yeah, um... Sorry!
I completely messed up at the end there; panic. I hope it doesn't come under too much scrutiny toMorrow.

I also hope that my continuing to mention you didn't add to Findeasea's reasons for suspecting you; I began to think, as the day wore on, that I seem to be acquiring more suspicion than you, and it's quite likely if one of us dies, it will be me. I thought that if I die, my keeping you under some suspicion when I could have just dropped it would give you some credit.

On the plus side, at least two innocents died today.

As for Zali, should we kill her, since the Shaman is still around?

Speaking of the Shaman, what is Sleepy up to? Is he trying to make us think he's the Shaman? Or is he reallly the Shaman, and not being so subtle?

Another thought: might Nogrod be the Shaman, and Sleepy was his first dream? He may have just decided to reveal it today, pretending it was last Night's dream.

Caranlondien: orc
Nogrod: ? (Shaman?)
Grendelien: ?
Findëasëa: ?
Celuien: ?
Zali: Ranger (?)
Diamond: ?
Naria: ?
Sleepy: ? (Shaman?)
Roa_Aoife: orc

Originally Posted by Roa

I'm actually thinking we shoudl stick with the Zali plan. At worse, the shaman will send a dream of Zali to someone, revealing who she is, at best the shaman picks someone else to dream of. I'm fairly positive that sleepy isn't a gifted- if he was he would've known better than to try and get killed on Day 1. I actually belive Sleepy was right when he mentioned Celuien, but I'm betting Zali will protect her tonight. Celuien was the only one who mentioned suspicion of Jenny on Day 1, which would've led to a dream on Night 2. So the question is, do we call Sleepy's bluff? It's possible that Nogrod is the seer, but I don't think he's that straight forward. Not only that, but someone would have had a dream last night, and no one contradicted him, not to mention he was very suspicios of Sleepy on Day 1.

Naria, Diamond, and Findeasea are all unsuspected kills. I'm going to review Day 1, and look for someone who was protecting someone else.

Originally Posted by Caran

Okay, I like the idea of waiting on Zali. We can end the Ranger-ing whenever we want, but until then, as long as we're careful in our choice of nightly kills, she won't be able to do much, and might just continue to gain suspicion. Plus, if the Shaman decides to dream about Zali, they'll have to waste a dream on her (rather than on one of us).

Good point about Sleepy's suicidal tendencies on Day 1. As for Celuien, she has certainly been thoughtful, and perhaps lighter with the jokes than she was in the last game I played in.

Hmm...

Killing Naria could help us get Grendelien lynched eventually, especially with Nogrod's suspicions of her.

Originally Posted by Roa

I don't know, Naria is drawing suspicion herself. (Mostly thanks to Jenny.) What about Diamond? She's getting more dangerous and less suspicious everyday. If you don't respond to this by 5 ish, I'll go ahead and send Naria's name to Farael.

Originally Posted by Caran

True, Naria's more suspicious-looking than Diamond. I agree, then, let's kill Diamond.

Originally Posted by Roa

I'm sending this to both Caran and Farael:

++Diamond

Have a nice day!

Originally Posted by Roa

The current stand is 2 to 7 villagers (Counting Diamond as dead)

If we both manage to survive the coming day, it will be 2-6, and then the night's kill will bring us 2-5, I think that would be a good time for me to come out and say I am the true ranger, and Zali's been lying to us. If they take the bait it wil be 2-4, and then 2-3. I'll be a unanimous lynch the following day, which will make it 1-3, then 1-2, the following day. At this point it will be up to you to look innocent enough and one other person look guilty enough.

This, I think is the best case sscenario. Waiting too long on the Zali plan might cause it to backfire on us. What do you think?

Originally Posted by Caran

Okay...yes. Although depending on who's under more suspicion by then, you might be the one left. The longer the Shaman stays around, the more dangerous this is... but that's obvious.

The way things are looking, I wouldn't be surprised if Naria or Grendelien were lynched toMorrow. Although I'm sure Findeasea will make a case explaining her vote for you - how should I react? I'm completely lost on this, as I think that no matter what I do, it'll look suspicious.

Originally Posted by Roa

The chances of the Shaman escaping us much longer are very slim. Findeasea may come up with a case against me, but I'm going to do my best to beat it. Don't panic, you'll be fine. Your reaction to Nogrod can just be passed off as indignation at being called a liar. In this village, no one really looks more suspicious than anyone else, so you'll be okay as long as you stay calm. As for what to do if a case comes against me: Don't do anything.

Don't post until a definite mood can be gathered from the crowd. If people are focusing elsewhere, stay with your distrust of me but don't push too hard. If people are definitely looking to lynch me, then vote for me. That's all that can be done. If that happens, I'm fairly sure that you'll be safe for some time. I suggest going ahead and killing Zali then, since people will disregard my suspicions. You're playing beautifully, so don't worry. Just stay calm and thoughtful, and you'll do fine.

Originally Posted by Caran

Thanks for the reassurance; I love this role, but it's quite a nail-biting experience!

I won't be able to post until kind of late tonight (RL maybe 11 or 12 pm) anyway, and when I do, I won't be able to say much of substance. I'll wait 'til morning, and see how the village's mood is. So, good luck toMorrow, and may our village lynch an innocent!

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Well! I am certainly glad to have been a part of a village win!

This means that the only roles I haven't tried yet are orc and seer. I had a hard enough time with just the dream that I know I couldn't handle it on a daily basis!

I was surprised at how lucky I was to be successful twice. I thought I was done for sure when I posted that I was the ranger.

Farael, I'm really looking forward to my death scene--all the others were really good, so I'm excited. It's more fun to die than to survive because you get to play some...and THEN you get an awesome death scene. (spoken from someone who only once lasted through the end of the game in her entire WW career).

[Caranlondien]

We had the Shaman-suspects narrowed down to three, and the Shaman was in there. And the only one we didn't suspect was the Shaman!

And that Night, you sure did have fun playing with our minds, eh Farael? First he crushed our dreams, then got our hopes up... and the next Day crushed our dreams again.

Also, please note the excellent code I come up with towards the end. I know, I know, I was meant to be a spy.

NIGHT FOUR

Originally Posted by Roa

Why, yes, I am related to Superman, why do you ask?
Well, that was a close shave. Don't worry, you did great. Had I gone down, you were the one that would've sealed my fate, so you made the best choice. I think tomorrow, I will "reveal" myself as the Ranger. I'm positive that Nogrod and Sleepy will support me. I think it would make the most sense if you were swayed by it, since most others will be, but don't be an ardent supporter.

Now, about tonight's kill- we certainly have a lot to choose from. I would suggest not Naria- something about Zali's vote is sending up a warning signal. We need to get the Shaman tonight or the next, or we'll be in trouble. I'm going to take a look through the thread. Here are the possibilities:

Grendelien: village whittler
Celuien:lampwright
Naria:The grower of magnificent flowers

One of these three is the Shaman. All three of them suspected me. So I will likely be dreamed of tonight. We need to choose carefully tonight.

Originally Posted by Caran

That was the most nail-biting, nerve-wracking, adrenaline-rushing end of a Day, ever. ::Wipes sweat off forehead:: I am loving this!

I tend to suspect Celuien most of being the Shaman, but that's just an initial, gut reaction. I'll look over the posts, too, to see what I can find. What are the dreams we know? I guess that we have to figure out who would have chosen to dream about certain people each night.

Originally Posted by Roa

The dreams were as follows: Jenny night 2, Sleepy night 3, Nogrod night 4.

Day one, an innocent would've been the most likely dream, so we should look fo rsomeone trying to exonerate someone else.

Originally Posted by Roa

OKay, I'm actually think it's Grendelien. Celuien seems to have accepted Nogrod's innocense early on, so it's unlikely she would dream of him. Grendelien on the other hand was quite suspicious of him during Day 3. Day 1, she was suspicious of anyone who voted Diamond18 (which could be her as a Shaman having dreamed of Diamond18 and trying to protect her, and would also lead her to dream of Jenny.) What do you think?

Originally Posted by Caran

I noticed that Celuien made a (very) mild sort of analysis of Naria early on, saying she thought wanted to give her more time (i.e., telling us not to lynch her). Then toDay, first thing, she made a defense of Naria. The thing is, I think Zali might be protecting her toNight.

So, I don't know what to think...

Originally Posted by Roa

Zali is most likely going to protect Nari. I doubt that Naria is a gifted- her behavior states otherwise. I've had doubts about Celuien being the Shaman for a little while - her defense of Nogrod on Day 1 would seem to strike the idea of her dreaming of him on Day 3, but I'll look again.

There was a PM here I forgot to save, but I think I said that I still thought Celuien was the Shaman.

Originally Posted by Roa

So, she had been suspecting Sleepy before this. It's also clear that she had reason to suspect Jenny for her attack on Nogrod.
And then:

Reason enough for her to dream of Nogrod. What say you?

Originally Posted by Caran

She's looking pretty Shaman-ish. Do you think Zali will be protecting her?

Originally Posted by Roa

Again, I doubt it. Zali's not very subtle, and I think her vote for Naria was an attempt to make us think she wouldn't be protected. I believe Celuien has come under just enough suspicion that she won't be an expected kill, and I also think that she was already protected last Night. Either way, I think it's worth the risk.

Originally Posted by Caran

Okay, let's go for it then. Whatever happens, it's been fun.

Originally Posted by Roa

And the kill shall be...
++Celuien
Have a nice Night! (Farael, what happened to that Death Scene?)

Oh, question for you Farael- if the Shaman is killed during the night, is there still a dream?

Originally Posted by Caran

If he answers you on this, please do send it along to me. Oh, how am I going to make it through the next 24 hours...

Originally Posted by Roa

*pouts* Not a hard time, yeah right.... It's not as if our whole game depends on not being found out tomorrow, oh no, not at all..... That's not really fair- if it was a seer, there would be no dream. It's like our last minute salvation has been erased. The strategy of Werewolf forever destroyed. Caran, unless one of us gets the dream, I'm ka-blewy. *sigh* But as the mod goes, so goes the game. That's just what we must accept when we sign up. I'm lodging a formal protest though.

Originally Posted by Caran

Oy. Unfair! Maybe, maybe, maybe she didn't dream about you. I'm assuming, then, that she is the Shaman? I mean, the way he phrased it...

Well, anyway... ::more pouting:: It's not over yet. We shall prevail! We can do this.

Now, toMorrow we'll know for certain if Celuien was the Shaman. Assuming she is, if one of us does get the dream, what should we say? The best case scenario I can think of is that Celuien is the Shaman and one of us gets the dream, in which case you could say you dreamt of Zali and she's an orc.

This, I suppose, is where code words could come in. If I get the dream, I should use some word or some phrase or something that will signal it to you, so you know it's safe to go ahead and lie. This probably won't happen, but if it does, it'll be very helpful. It should be something that I won't just do accidentally (like starting 4 sentences in a row with the same letter or something like that)... And also something that has nothing to do with dreams or anything, because that might be seen through.

Originally Posted by Roa

Actaully another pm from Farael seems to be discouraging that line of thought (though I wouldn't put it past him to just be messing with me. He never said she wasn't, just strongly implied it.) But anyways, how about something like, "But we aren't kablewy yet!" I could do the same. All the same, I've been working on the lie to lynch Zali for Days now. I think I'll stick to that. You just keep your head down- you're below suspicion right now, and it's best it stay that way. Now, for tomorrow- if I fail or get lynched, kill Zali, she's of no furhter use, and will only hinder us. Then I suggest Gren or Naria as the Shaman. Of course, next you have to kill Sleepy or Nogrod. Good luck with that.

Originally Posted by Caran

Okay. If, by some miracle, Celuien is the Shaman and I get the dream, I will mention something about frogs in my first post (in reference to Celuien, of course). I know it's a lame code, but I'm tired and having trouble thinking. Doubt we'll get to use it anyway...

If you have any other thoughts/suggestions/revelations, PM me! Good luck!

Originally Posted by Roa

Nevermind
He said he was just kidding- he wants to keep the suspense going till Day. So, with the Shaman dead, if I get lynched tomorrow, kill Zali, then kill either Nogrod or Sleepy (whichever kill would cast the least suspicion on you, leaving alive the one that trusts you most.) From there you should be fine for the final day, as long as you stay calm.

Should I survive, we'll have killed two gifted in a row (go us) and kill Nogrod (the louder more dangerous one) the next night. I'll be lynched unanimously the following day. (I'll be providing the entertainment. ) Naturally, kill Sleepy. Then it's a simple matter of convincing either Naria or Grendelien that you are innocent. I would suggest waiting it out, and voting with whoever votes first (unless it's for you, of course).

Originally Posted by Caran

Oh, hooray! I'm sure Farael is enjoying his chance to play with our minds...

Now I can finally go to sleep. Once again, good luck!