9 Fingers - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Aerandir Carnesir · 02-07-2003, 07:39 PM

Does anyone else find it ironic that The maker of the ring(Sauron) and the (intended) destroyer of the ring(Frodo) both somehow ended up with nine fingers?

Aeryn Evenstar · 02-07-2003, 08:13 PM

I never thought of that. Yeah, it is ironic. I'm wondering if it's the same finger? From what I have read in ROTK it was Frodo's index finger. 'Course I don't recall it being said in the books that Sauron was missing a finger... [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Beren87 · 02-07-2003, 08:22 PM

Not really....the easiest way to take a ring off a person is to take their finger with it.

Arvedui III · 02-07-2003, 09:05 PM

It kind of is. I mean, It's hard to take off just one finger with a sword (or shards of one) and if you bite hard enough, you'd think that some of the other fingers would need stiches.

Aratlithiel · 02-07-2003, 09:53 PM

Actually, Frodo loses his right ring finger. I don't believe it's specified anywhere which one Sauron loses.

Here's irony for you - I was just over on the 'Irony' thread and had to come over here for this fine example since we all missed this point over there! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Gorwingel · 02-07-2003, 10:21 PM

I never thought of that, I knew both of them lost the finger that was wearing the ring, but I did not realize that they both shared that in common, thanks for bringing that up [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img]

Beren87 · 02-07-2003, 10:55 PM

Hm...in the Silm, it only says Isildur cut the ring from the hand of Sauron. He could have cut more than one finger off. And, come to think of it, in the movie he does.

Aerandir Carnesir · 02-07-2003, 11:13 PM

You also make a good point. But they still lost at least one finger none the less. I see what your saying though. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] And for the others, I thought it was Frodo's middle finger on his right hand because Tolkien wrote "It was the right hand, and the third finger was missing." Just if you wanted to see for yourself. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

[ February 08, 2003: Message edited by: Aerandir Carnesir ]

Aratlithiel · 02-07-2003, 11:14 PM

Yes, but Gollum says something like...'Only nine fingers he has on the black hand.' (Kinda sounded like Yoda, there.)

doug*platypus · 02-08-2003, 04:40 AM

Aerandir Carnesir, the third finger in this case is (funnily enough) his ring finger. The thumb isn't counted, and the ring finger is often referred to as the third finger (after the index and the middle).

It is very ironic that Frodo ended up resembling Sauron in this way. He never would have had the power to do anything, but it is quite frightening to think that good old Frodo turned to evil in the end and claimed the Ring. Maybe Tolkien wanted to say that you lose part of yourself by embracing evil. Or maybe it was just a coincidence.

mark12_30 · 02-08-2003, 09:43 AM

TTT: The Black Gate is Closed: (Frodo speaking initially)

Quote:

"It was Isildur who cut off the finger of the Enemy."
"Yes, he has only four on the Black Hand, but they are enough," said Gollum shuddering. "And He hated Isildur's city."

02-23-2003, 10:33 AM

The relevance of this may be absolutely non-existant, but has anyone else noticed the lack of detail in the story going into discussing Frodo's missing finger after the intial incident? I realize that with all that went on outside of it, it's really not that important (the world being saved, and all). But it seems to me that dealing with the healing over of a missing finger and learning to use your hand without it would be mighty difficult, not to mention the pain. The ring finger is largely vestigial, but still, I would be miffed! (I've given far too much thought over this finger-thing) I suppose though, that after the burden of the One Ring, our dear Frodo can deal with just about anything.

Dain · 02-23-2003, 02:15 PM

Kinda like how both Vader and Luke loose a hand...except not really...but still...

*chomp*

I figured that Sauron could re-grow fingers at will. Strange how Gollum says that he only has nine. Maybe he left it that way to remind him of his loss--as if he needs reminding. I'm a bit fuzzy on the nature of Sauron's coporeal form anyway. I'd better search me up a thread on that, eh?

Lady Alasse · 02-25-2003, 10:21 AM

Don't the bards make a song about Frodo of the nine fingers? I am looking through the books and I seem to remember a song about Frodo of the nine-fingers, but I can't seem to find it.

Sleeping Beauty · 02-25-2003, 11:42 AM

Yes, there is a song. Sam predicted it on the moutain, and it came true. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] The song is near the end of the chaper the Field of Cormallen in the Return of the King, thought it's just a mention, not actually written out.

It is interesting to think about the fact that both of them ended up with their ring fingers missing. I think it is a sign(intentional or non-intentional) that absolute power corrupts absolute. No one has the ability to control that much power, so they both lost the part of themselves that was closest to the ring when they tried to gain that power. (Though lost a little bit more than that considering his essence was in the ring) Anyways, so in that sense they are similar. But the thought that good old Frodo has that much in common with Sauron the Deciever is still frightening though. [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img]

02-07-2003, 07:39 PM	#1
Aerandir Carnesir Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Finally out of the Paths of the Dead! Posts: 107	9 Fingers Does anyone else find it ironic that The maker of the ring(Sauron) and the (intended) destroyer of the ring(Frodo) both somehow ended up with nine fingers? __________________ "God is the Lord, of angels, and of men--and of elves" -J.R.R. Tolkien "Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens."-Gimli "Spiders are hideous."-Dietrich Bonhoeffer

02-07-2003, 09:05 PM	#4
Arvedui III Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In Rohan, with Carolina on my mind Posts: 629	It kind of is. I mean, It's hard to take off just one finger with a sword (or shards of one) and if you bite hard enough, you'd think that some of the other fingers would need stiches. __________________ I have no idea what you just said, but I'm inspired!

02-07-2003, 09:53 PM	#5
Aratlithiel Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 196	Actually, Frodo loses his right ring finger. I don't believe it's specified anywhere which one Sauron loses. Here's irony for you - I was just over on the 'Irony' thread and had to come over here for this fine example since we all missed this point over there! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ - I must find the Mountain of Fire and cast the thing into the gulf of Doom. Gandalf said so. I do not think I shall ever get there. - Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. - Where are we going?...And why am I in this handbasket?

02-07-2003, 10:21 PM	#6
Gorwingel Beholder of the Mists Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Somewhere in the Northwest... for now Posts: 1,419	I never thought of that, I knew both of them lost the finger that was wearing the ring, but I did not realize that they both shared that in common, thanks for bringing that up [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img] __________________ Wanted - Wonderfully witty quote that consists of pure brilliance

02-07-2003, 11:13 PM	#8
Aerandir Carnesir Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Finally out of the Paths of the Dead! Posts: 107	You also make a good point. But they still lost at least one finger none the less. I see what your saying though. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] And for the others, I thought it was Frodo's middle finger on his right hand because Tolkien wrote "It was the right hand, and the third finger was missing." Just if you wanted to see for yourself. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [ February 08, 2003: Message edited by: Aerandir Carnesir ] __________________ "God is the Lord, of angels, and of men--and of elves" -J.R.R. Tolkien "Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens."-Gimli "Spiders are hideous."-Dietrich Bonhoeffer

02-07-2003, 08:13 PM	#2
Aeryn Evenstar Pile O'Bones Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Louisiana Posts: 14	I never thought of that. Yeah, it is ironic. I'm wondering if it's the same finger? From what I have read in ROTK it was Frodo's index finger. 'Course I don't recall it being said in the books that Sauron was missing a finger... [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

02-07-2003, 08:22 PM	#3
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,241	Not really....the easiest way to take a ring off a person is to take their finger with it.

02-07-2003, 10:55 PM	#7
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,241	Hm...in the Silm, it only says Isildur cut the ring from the hand of Sauron. He could have cut more than one finger off. And, come to think of it, in the movie he does.

02-07-2003, 11:14 PM	#9
Aratlithiel Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 196	Yes, but Gollum says something like...'Only nine fingers he has on the black hand.' (Kinda sounded like Yoda, there.) __________________ - I must find the Mountain of Fire and cast the thing into the gulf of Doom. Gandalf said so. I do not think I shall ever get there. - Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. - Where are we going?...And why am I in this handbasket?

02-08-2003, 04:40 AM	#10
doug*platypus Delver in the Deep Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 960	Aerandir Carnesir, the third finger in this case is (funnily enough) his ring finger. The thumb isn't counted, and the ring finger is often referred to as the third finger (after the index and the middle). It is very ironic that Frodo ended up resembling Sauron in this way. He never would have had the power to do anything, but it is quite frightening to think that good old Frodo turned to evil in the end and claimed the Ring. Maybe Tolkien wanted to say that you lose part of yourself by embracing evil. Or maybe it was just a coincidence. __________________ But Gwindor answered: 'The doom lies in yourself, not in your name'.

02-23-2003, 10:33 AM	#12
Ithilgaladh Guest Posts: n/a	The relevance of this may be absolutely non-existant, but has anyone else noticed the lack of detail in the story going into discussing Frodo's missing finger after the intial incident? I realize that with all that went on outside of it, it's really not that important (the world being saved, and all). But it seems to me that dealing with the healing over of a missing finger and learning to use your hand without it would be mighty difficult, not to mention the pain. The ring finger is largely vestigial, but still, I would be miffed! (I've given far too much thought over this finger-thing) I suppose though, that after the burden of the One Ring, our dear Frodo can deal with just about anything.

02-23-2003, 02:15 PM	#13
Dain Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Iron Hills Posts: 127	Kinda like how both Vader and Luke loose a hand...except not really...but still... chomp I figured that Sauron could re-grow fingers at will. Strange how Gollum says that he only has nine. Maybe he left it that way to remind him of his loss--as if he needs reminding. I'm a bit fuzzy on the nature of Sauron's coporeal form anyway. I'd better search me up a thread on that, eh? __________________ Only I have looked through the shadow of the Gate. Beyond the shadow it waits for you still: Durin's Bane.

02-25-2003, 10:21 AM	#14
Lady Alasse Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Gondolin, Middle Earth Posts: 103	Don't the bards make a song about Frodo of the nine fingers? I am looking through the books and I seem to remember a song about Frodo of the nine-fingers, but I can't seem to find it. __________________ He teacheth my hands to war; so that a bow of steel is broken by my arms.-II Samuel 22:35

02-25-2003, 11:42 AM	#15
Sleeping Beauty Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Somewhere between the back of the chair and the monitor Posts: 115	Yes, there is a song. Sam predicted it on the moutain, and it came true. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] The song is near the end of the chaper the Field of Cormallen in the Return of the King, thought it's just a mention, not actually written out. It is interesting to think about the fact that both of them ended up with their ring fingers missing. I think it is a sign(intentional or non-intentional) that absolute power corrupts absolute. No one has the ability to control that much power, so they both lost the part of themselves that was closest to the ring when they tried to gain that power. (Though lost a little bit more than that considering his essence was in the ring) Anyways, so in that sense they are similar. But the thought that good old Frodo has that much in common with Sauron the Deciever is still frightening though. [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] __________________ "If I knew all of the answers, I'd run for God." ~ Klinger: MAS*H