Valinor - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

08-26-2003, 09:30 PM

I was wondering who the founders/leaders of Valinor are. I forgot, and like the idiot I can be, i haven't the resources to find out. please help me.

Iarwain · 08-26-2003, 09:49 PM

Don't put yourself down! Just look to the name. The Valar founded Valinor. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

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08-26-2003, 11:09 PM

what was the woman's name that founded it with him. I know there are 2 main people who founded valinor and i was just wondering who both are.

Måns · 08-27-2003, 12:00 AM

Hmmm hard to tell, I ahve never felt that someone specific did found Valinor, only as Iarwain sais the valar collectively. Nevertheless, I think you are refering to Varda, the spouse of Manwë. They are two of the greatest valar, both of them stayed true to Iluvatar, striving for the good of men and elves, in difference from Melkor who was the most like to Manwë, only more powerful.

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Firnantoonion · 08-27-2003, 11:56 AM

I thought Valinor was just a part of ea that was created along with midde-earth in the music of the ainur, and that the Valar took it as their land while melkor inhabited middle-earth. (needless to say that the valar did make great changes to the land to make it better fit their purposes, as did melkor)

Gurthang · 09-06-2003, 10:50 AM

I would have to say that the Valar did found Valinor in about the same way the United States was founded(or any other country for that matter). The Valar came to Ea and chose the land on which Valinor sould be located to be their country. So they set it apart as their abode, and made it independent from all outsiders. I don't think that just one or two of them could have done this, they would have all had a part in the process.

Eruwen · 09-06-2003, 04:31 PM

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I thought Valinor was just a part of ea that was created along with midde-earth in the music of the ainur, and that the Valar took it as their land while melkor inhabited middle-earth. (needless to say that the valar did make great changes to the land to make it better fit their purposes, as did melkor)

I think I agree with Gurthang on how it was founded, but I'm not so sure about this. I know that the Valar inhabited Valinor, but didn't most of the Valar walk the lands of Middle Earth for a long time before Melkor actually started destroying it? I'm not so sure on my facts right now for my book is out of reach, but I thought that they were actually part of Middle Earth for a while.

I know I remember something about Ulmo for he still roamed Middle Earth after a long time had passed, but didn't Varda and Yavanna stay there for a while as well. I thought I remembered it saying in the Silm that Yavanna was there creating the forests and so forth. Was she actually in Middle Earth or just in Valinor doing all of this? It has been a topic that I have been wondering about.

Arothir · 09-07-2003, 12:17 PM

Yavanna probably was in Middle-earth, and Ulmo was in Utgarsecg. I don't recall Varda staying in Middle-earth that long. Didn't Orome also frequently roam Middle-earth like Yavanna did. In the old mythology, he was Yavanna's son.

lore_master · 09-07-2003, 02:58 PM

well, valinor wasn't really set apart form the rest of arda until the 2nd age when Neumenor came with the great fleet right? i think that most or all of the valar helped in shaping valinor to there likings. maybe ulmo and yavanna didnt help.

Eldar14 · 09-07-2003, 03:23 PM

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I thought Valinor was just a part of ea that was created along with midde-earth in the music of the ainur, and that the Valar took it as their land while melkor inhabited middle-earth. (needless to say that the valar did make great changes to the land to make it better fit their purposes, as did melkor)

Technically true, but really every city and place and item in all of Ea were created by the music of the Ainur.

09-10-2003, 05:54 PM

Well, I'm new to barrow downs, my name is Nuryave, but I do know of the Valar. It was a joint effort on the part of the Valar to found Valinor. But it was Manwe and Varda Tintalle who were the leaders in Valinor.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 09-16-2003, 12:29 AM

Valinor was founded after the Spring of Arda was ended, and Almaren in ruins. They went there because they wanted a place safe from Morgoth. As for the process of choosing the spot, and building of the actual place, that's beyond me, or ME. Whatever

Gwaihir the Windlord · 09-16-2003, 01:12 AM

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Technically true, but really every city and place and item in all of Ea were created by the music of the Ainur.

Not items or cities. Sometimes predestined, in 'theme' form, to an extent; but actual cities and items in the world are created physically by its inhabitants.

Built out of the Music and the word of Illuvatar, though, yes.

08-26-2003, 09:30 PM	#1
gonies_kid Guest Posts: n/a	Valinor I was wondering who the founders/leaders of Valinor are. I forgot, and like the idiot I can be, i haven't the resources to find out. please help me.

08-26-2003, 09:49 PM	#2
Iarwain Pugnaciously Primordial Paradox Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Birnham Wood Posts: 800	Don't put yourself down! Just look to the name. The Valar founded Valinor. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Welcome to the Downs, Gonies, and as your first post is on a strictly bookish matter, I have great confidence that you will provide good discussion as your corpse rots. Have fun, and (just to be safe) read the Forum FAQ in the Novices & Newcomers Forum. It will advise you on how to start new threads, how to find information that you might want, and any other relevent tips that will be helpful during your membership, as you rise from an Animated Skeleton, to a Ghost Prince, and finally (perhaps) obtain your own personal title. Enjoy! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Iarwain [ August 26, 2003: Message edited by: Iarwain ] __________________ "And what are oaths but words we say to God?"

08-27-2003, 12:00 AM	#4
Måns Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Stockholm Posts: 63	Hmmm hard to tell, I ahve never felt that someone specific did found Valinor, only as Iarwain sais the valar collectively. Nevertheless, I think you are refering to Varda, the spouse of Manwë. They are two of the greatest valar, both of them stayed true to Iluvatar, striving for the good of men and elves, in difference from Melkor who was the most like to Manwë, only more powerful. Måns Welcome to the downs, have a pleasant period of slowly decaying! __________________ "One death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a stastistic." Josef Stalin

08-27-2003, 11:56 AM	#5
Firnantoonion Haunting Spirit Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: a nice, cosy hole in a small hill Posts: 70	I thought Valinor was just a part of ea that was created along with midde-earth in the music of the ainur, and that the Valar took it as their land while melkor inhabited middle-earth. (needless to say that the valar did make great changes to the land to make it better fit their purposes, as did melkor) __________________ well, that's that then

09-06-2003, 10:50 AM	#6
Gurthang Sword of Spirit Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Oh, I'm around. Posts: 1,401	I would have to say that the Valar did found Valinor in about the same way the United States was founded(or any other country for that matter). The Valar came to Ea and chose the land on which Valinor sould be located to be their country. So they set it apart as their abode, and made it independent from all outsiders. I don't think that just one or two of them could have done this, they would have all had a part in the process. __________________ I'm on a Mission from God.

08-26-2003, 11:09 PM	#3
gonies_kid Guest Posts: n/a	what was the woman's name that founded it with him. I know there are 2 main people who founded valinor and i was just wondering who both are.

09-07-2003, 12:17 PM	#8
Arothir Wight Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: the Realm of Nargothrond beyond Narog Posts: 163	Yavanna probably was in Middle-earth, and Ulmo was in Utgarsecg. I don't recall Varda staying in Middle-earth that long. Didn't Orome also frequently roam Middle-earth like Yavanna did. In the old mythology, he was Yavanna's son. __________________ Then Felagund upon the head of Arothir set it: "Nephew mine, till I return this crown is thine."

09-07-2003, 02:58 PM	#9
lore_master Wight Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Valhalla Posts: 116	well, valinor wasn't really set apart form the rest of arda until the 2nd age when Neumenor came with the great fleet right? i think that most or all of the valar helped in shaping valinor to there likings. maybe ulmo and yavanna didnt help. __________________ As you go the way of life, you will see a great chasm. Jump. It is not as wide as you think

09-10-2003, 05:54 PM	#11
Nuryave Guest Posts: n/a	Well, I'm new to barrow downs, my name is Nuryave, but I do know of the Valar. It was a joint effort on the part of the Valar to found Valinor. But it was Manwe and Varda Tintalle who were the leaders in Valinor.

09-16-2003, 12:29 AM	#12
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Valinor was founded after the Spring of Arda was ended, and Almaren in ruins. They went there because they wanted a place safe from Morgoth. As for the process of choosing the spot, and building of the actual place, that's beyond me, or ME. Whatever __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...