Beating the non- LotR fans - Page 3 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Morgul Queen · 11-09-2004, 03:22 AM

I dislike HP because I get the impression that JKR is being slightly condescending with the language she uses. I don't get that with Tolkien and Pratchett, but Rowling seems (to me) to have used a word, gone 'Oh, but that's too difficult" and used a word from the 'Oxford Picture Dictionary' instead.

Don't kill me, that's just my impression.

Nimrodel_9 · 11-12-2004, 07:05 PM

I like HP, but I agree with you Morgy.

In English last week, I was reading FotR. My English teacher saw what I was reading and said, "I started reading that book, but found it really boring. So, I tried watching the movie. I fell asleep a little ways into it, and never watched the others." (This coming from the same teacher who dosen`t know how to spell buried, and dosen`t know the difference between thrown and throne, and desert and dessert. Many other things, but just to give you an idea.) I just sat there and glared at her.

Morgul Queen · 11-13-2004, 02:59 PM

*grins* Cue Tolkien quote here:

(not entirely sure if this is 100% correct, feel free to correct me if you want)

"Some people tell me that my books are boring or contempible and I have no cause to complain as I have similar views of their works."

I really have to congratulate you on your self control, I probably would have asked the teacher if he/she needed help with the big words rather than settling for glaring at them.

Actually....I've done that before...*blushes*...an far too impulsive for my own good.

Elennar Starfire · 11-13-2004, 08:06 PM

I'm still arguing with my geography teacher from last year over the correct pronunciation of 'celtic'. I know I'm right, and I've proved it several times, it's a hard K unless you speak of sports teams...

A geography teacher should know better! *glares at stubborn geography teacher*

I argued with my math teacher too...he admitted I was right, but he had to teach it the way he was (A very impractical way. If the easy way to solve a certain type of problem always gives you the right answer, why bother learning the hard way first?) because the People In Charge decided so.

And my school librarians...they won't allow anyone to use the library computers unless they can explain how they need to for homework.

*'Leny realizes she's ranting* I'll stop now...

THE Ka · 11-13-2004, 09:05 PM

Wow, your teacher dosen't know how to pronounce 'Celtic' ? That's sad...

Oh well, i had a horticulture teacher who on Halloween was tellnig the class the non-christian version of hallows eve, he said celtic with an 's'. It made me sooo mad! Somehow, i think it has to with the basketball team... everyone thinks that what they say goes... not the historians.

Your librarians sound like they don't have anything better to do. I used to use the excuse that it was for history and or sociology... and it worked!

Sapphire_Flame · 11-15-2004, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elennar Starfire

I'm still arguing with my geography teacher from last year over the correct pronunciation of 'celtic'.

It's (K)celtic. You know, like (K)Celeborn and (K)celebrate!

Why do people not understand that?

Quote:

"Some people tell me that my books are boring or contempible and I have no cause to complain as I have similar views of their works."

Muhuhaha! Great quote; thanks for posting it, Morgy. *mwah*

Abedithon le,

~ Saphy ~

Morgul Queen · 11-20-2004, 07:49 AM

You'd have to check it before you use it anywhere, though, I didn't have time to check it up when I used it.

malkatoj · 04-02-2005, 12:03 PM

How we beat one:

My science class was on a trip to do some work in the field, gathering samples and such. On the way back, two of my friends and I got into a car where my friend was playing the Fellowship on CD. We, of course, were thrilled about this. Then one kid got in who hates (really, not just dislikes) geeks and the Lord of the Rings. He sits in the back of the car, too stupid to ignore it and realize that we're not talking to him, complaining loudly the entire time.

Our solution to this problem, in case it happens again:
1: Memorize all the songs from the CDs 'A Night in Rivendell' and 'An Evening in Rivendell' by the Tolkein Ensemble. Engage ourselves in sing-a-longs the entire way.
2: Bring the Silmarillion on CD (or the book, and alternate reading out loud). Drive right past the school and say loudly 'Oops! I guess we have to drive to California now!' (We're from the East Coast.) Proceed to drive all the way across the country, pausing only to use the toilet. Drive back in the same manner. If the Silmarillion finishes, proceed to The Hobbit, then the Lord of the Rings. We figure this kid will either convert to geeky Tolkeinism or commit suicide, either way doing the world a favour.

Holbytlass · 05-19-2005, 11:23 AM

I have to ask myself which is harder, being an adult Tolkien fan or a teenage one. By the posts, I assume that the majority are young people (still in school). It must be hard being forced to be around classmates and even teachers who don't like Tolkien's work when they haven't tried to read the books. Or living with parents who don't understand and hope it's just a phase one is going through.
On the other hand, is it harder being a grown-up having to defend the position that, yes, it is fantasy genre, but it is not 'immature-baby stuff'? And if a teenager gets funny looks by saying something LotR-ish, wait till adulthood; when one is expected to be sooo mature and lay aside all things not realistic, and conform.
When FotR came out, a friend went and saw it (at that time we were both 28). she didn't really like it and said there was too much fighting. I suggested that she read the book. She snapped back that there were plenty of movies she liked that she didn't need to read the book. Fair enough, I thought, but how to explain to an unwilling listener that the book had so much more to offer? So I just said to her that if she felt that FotR had too much fighting, don't bother with the other two movies.
I ask this because I am 32, and only discovered the books 4 years ago. Oh, the wasted years!! Perhaps the best person to answer is one who liked it as a teenager but is now an adult.
**A bonus for the teenagers, you might get off easier when doing something criminalthan an adult would. So throw in an extra kick for me!!

P.S to The KA: I fall into the #2 category, love Tolkien and appreciate other works in the genre. And also, is your avatar a picture of you?

Elentari_Elbereth · 05-29-2005, 10:18 AM

Hmm. I know very few people who actually have read LotR or any other Tolkien book. I know wayy tooo many Legolas (movie) fangirls.
I get back at them by convincing them legolas dies in RotK (before it came out, that is)
They were either annoyed with me or saw me as a great master. One of them thought they spoke in pig latin in the films (what an outrage!) so I spoke of elvish and it's history and a little grammar in quenya and quoted off "Nin o chithaeglir..."

If someone says something insulting about LotR I usually insult them back in elvish or black speech...

I think the best way to get back at them is speak in great detail about history of Middle Earth, or the Silmarillion, or anything complicated to a poor outsider about LotR. like rambling off the many titles of Aragorn, who said them, why,.. etc.

Or read the Silmarillion outloud and explain everything. heh.

Recently I was asked what Ents were, so I went in detail about them and their history. it was great!

Sometimes I write my notes partially in Quenya, and when my friends want to borrow my notes.. heh heh.

Gothbogg the Ripper · 04-01-2007, 12:05 PM

So basically you exploit the ignorance of those around you in order to validate your point? How can your argument ever be debated seriously if the opposing party has no idea what in the name of Rafeal Trujillo you're talking about? Look, I think that now the films are done with and the media circus has left the building it is time to reevaluate this topic. The fairweather fans are gone, the hysteria has degenerated into silence, the boom period has ended, the depression has begun. Do people ever even get insulted for liking Lord of The Rings anymore? The answer in my case is "no". For many it was a phase and for some the attention lavished on the series was perfect justification for a backlash but now people just don't care. Live and let live folks. It's the wave of the future.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 04-01-2007, 04:51 PM

The last post on this thread was nearly two years ago. I think that your point may already have been taken.

11-09-2004, 03:22 AM	#81
Morgul Queen Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dontgonearthe Castle Posts: 414	I dislike HP because I get the impression that JKR is being slightly condescending with the language she uses. I don't get that with Tolkien and Pratchett, but Rowling seems (to me) to have used a word, gone 'Oh, but that's too difficult" and used a word from the 'Oxford Picture Dictionary' instead. Don't kill me, that's just my impression. __________________ Athrabeth is still doing the wave for Boromir the Disco-King Oh...and call me Morgy!

11-12-2004, 07:05 PM	#82
Nimrodel_9 Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Utah Posts: 734	I like HP, but I agree with you Morgy. In English last week, I was reading FotR. My English teacher saw what I was reading and said, "I started reading that book, but found it really boring. So, I tried watching the movie. I fell asleep a little ways into it, and never watched the others." (This coming from the same teacher who dosen`t know how to spell buried, and dosen`t know the difference between thrown and throne, and desert and dessert. Many other things, but just to give you an idea.) I just sat there and glared at her. __________________ .:A friend is someone who reaches for your hand and touches your heart:.

11-13-2004, 02:59 PM	#83
Morgul Queen Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dontgonearthe Castle Posts: 414	grins Cue Tolkien quote here: (not entirely sure if this is 100% correct, feel free to correct me if you want) "Some people tell me that my books are boring or contempible and I have no cause to complain as I have similar views of their works." I really have to congratulate you on your self control, I probably would have asked the teacher if he/she needed help with the big words rather than settling for glaring at them. Actually....I've done that before...blushes...an far too impulsive for my own good. __________________ Athrabeth is still doing the wave for Boromir the Disco-King Oh...and call me Morgy!

11-13-2004, 08:06 PM	#84
Elennar Starfire Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2003 Location: Nowhere...now here Posts: 952	I'm still arguing with my geography teacher from last year over the correct pronunciation of 'celtic'. I know I'm right, and I've proved it several times, it's a hard K unless you speak of sports teams... A geography teacher should know better! glares at stubborn geography teacher I argued with my math teacher too...he admitted I was right, but he had to teach it the way he was (A very impractical way. If the easy way to solve a certain type of problem always gives you the right answer, why bother learning the hard way first?) because the People In Charge decided so. And my school librarians...they won't allow anyone to use the library computers unless they can explain how they need to for homework. 'Leny realizes she's ranting I'll stop now... __________________ Don't let me die!

11-13-2004, 09:05 PM	#85
THE Ka Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: As with the flygja Posts: 1,403	Wow, your teacher dosen't know how to pronounce 'Celtic' ? That's sad... Oh well, i had a horticulture teacher who on Halloween was tellnig the class the non-christian version of hallows eve, he said celtic with an 's'. It made me sooo mad! Somehow, i think it has to with the basketball team... everyone thinks that what they say goes... not the historians. Your librarians sound like they don't have anything better to do. I used to use the excuse that it was for history and or sociology... and it worked! __________________ Vinur, vinur skilur tú meg? Veitst tú ongan loyniveg? Hevur tú reikað líka sum eg, í endaleysu tokuni?

11-20-2004, 07:49 AM	#87
Morgul Queen Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dontgonearthe Castle Posts: 414	You'd have to check it before you use it anywhere, though, I didn't have time to check it up when I used it. __________________ Athrabeth is still doing the wave for Boromir the Disco-King Oh...and call me Morgy!

04-02-2005, 12:03 PM	#88
malkatoj Wight Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: A hovel in Florin Posts: 173	How we beat one: My science class was on a trip to do some work in the field, gathering samples and such. On the way back, two of my friends and I got into a car where my friend was playing the Fellowship on CD. We, of course, were thrilled about this. Then one kid got in who hates (really, not just dislikes) geeks and the Lord of the Rings. He sits in the back of the car, too stupid to ignore it and realize that we're not talking to him, complaining loudly the entire time. Our solution to this problem, in case it happens again: 1: Memorize all the songs from the CDs 'A Night in Rivendell' and 'An Evening in Rivendell' by the Tolkein Ensemble. Engage ourselves in sing-a-longs the entire way. 2: Bring the Silmarillion on CD (or the book, and alternate reading out loud). Drive right past the school and say loudly 'Oops! I guess we have to drive to California now!' (We're from the East Coast.) Proceed to drive all the way across the country, pausing only to use the toilet. Drive back in the same manner. If the Silmarillion finishes, proceed to The Hobbit, then the Lord of the Rings. We figure this kid will either convert to geeky Tolkeinism or commit suicide, either way doing the world a favour.

05-19-2005, 11:23 AM	#89
Holbytlass Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Party Tree Posts: 1,042	Oh, the burden of being somewhere that others are not... I have to ask myself which is harder, being an adult Tolkien fan or a teenage one. By the posts, I assume that the majority are young people (still in school). It must be hard being forced to be around classmates and even teachers who don't like Tolkien's work when they haven't tried to read the books. Or living with parents who don't understand and hope it's just a phase one is going through. On the other hand, is it harder being a grown-up having to defend the position that, yes, it is fantasy genre, but it is not 'immature-baby stuff'? And if a teenager gets funny looks by saying something LotR-ish, wait till adulthood; when one is expected to be sooo mature and lay aside all things not realistic, and conform. When FotR came out, a friend went and saw it (at that time we were both 28). she didn't really like it and said there was too much fighting. I suggested that she read the book. She snapped back that there were plenty of movies she liked that she didn't need to read the book. Fair enough, I thought, but how to explain to an unwilling listener that the book had so much more to offer? So I just said to her that if she felt that FotR had too much fighting, don't bother with the other two movies. I ask this because I am 32, and only discovered the books 4 years ago. Oh, the wasted years!! Perhaps the best person to answer is one who liked it as a teenager but is now an adult. *A bonus for the teenagers, you might get off easier when doing something criminalthan an adult would. So throw in an extra kick for me!! P.S to The KA: I fall into the #2 category, love Tolkien and appreciate other works in the genre. And also, is your avatar a picture of you? __________________ Holby is an actual flesh-and-blood person, right? Not, say a sock-puppet of Nilp’s, by any chance? ~Nerwen, WWCIII Last edited by Holbytlass; 05-19-2005 at 11:27 AM.*

05-29-2005, 10:18 AM	#90
Elentari_Elbereth Pile O'Bones Join Date: May 2005 Location: North Carolina (moving to Calif.) Posts: 24	Hmm. I know very few people who actually have read LotR or any other Tolkien book. I know wayy tooo many Legolas (movie) fangirls. I get back at them by convincing them legolas dies in RotK (before it came out, that is) They were either annoyed with me or saw me as a great master. One of them thought they spoke in pig latin in the films (what an outrage!) so I spoke of elvish and it's history and a little grammar in quenya and quoted off "Nin o chithaeglir..." If someone says something insulting about LotR I usually insult them back in elvish or black speech... I think the best way to get back at them is speak in great detail about history of Middle Earth, or the Silmarillion, or anything complicated to a poor outsider about LotR. like rambling off the many titles of Aragorn, who said them, why,.. etc. Or read the Silmarillion outloud and explain everything. heh. Recently I was asked what Ents were, so I went in detail about them and their history. it was great! Sometimes I write my notes partially in Quenya, and when my friends want to borrow my notes.. heh heh. __________________ Who shall see a white ship leave the last shore, the pale phantoms in her cold bosom Like gulls wailing? ...Who shall see the last evening?

04-01-2007, 12:05 PM	#91
Gothbogg the Ripper Wight Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Southend,U.K Posts: 113	So basically you exploit the ignorance of those around you in order to validate your point? How can your argument ever be debated seriously if the opposing party has no idea what in the name of Rafeal Trujillo you're talking about? Look, I think that now the films are done with and the media circus has left the building it is time to reevaluate this topic. The fairweather fans are gone, the hysteria has degenerated into silence, the boom period has ended, the depression has begun. Do people ever even get insulted for liking Lord of The Rings anymore? The answer in my case is "no". For many it was a phase and for some the attention lavished on the series was perfect justification for a backlash but now people just don't care. Live and let live folks. It's the wave of the future. __________________ Thanks for abandoning me for three years guys. I really enjoyed being a total outcast.

04-01-2007, 04:51 PM	#92
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	The last post on this thread was nearly two years ago. I think that your point may already have been taken. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne? Last edited by The Squatter of Amon Rûdh; 04-01-2007 at 04:55 PM.