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08-09-2004, 04:04 AM | #1 |
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I spy with my little eye.....
Bilbo complains that the ring, "was like an eye looking at me"
When Frodo sees the eye of Sauron in Galadriel's mirror, he is frozen with fear. So just one question........why would Sauron appaer as a one eye?
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08-09-2004, 06:33 AM | #2 |
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After Sauron's defeat in the battle of Dagorlad, he wasn't able to embody himself. As we know, he didn't die but his spirit just couldn't take a new form. The 'Eye of Sauron', however, is a plain reference to his sleeples attentivenes and wickedness. There wasn't any gigantic eye hanging out in Barad-dûr's pinnacle. The movie makers just got a bit carried away.
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08-09-2004, 06:34 AM | #3 |
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One great eye, lidless, wreathed in flame, whose gaze pierces cloud, shadow, earth, and flesh. If nothing else, that's kinda creepy, good scare tactic.
An eye because that means he's looking, searching everywhere, and I mean everywhere for his Ring. "You cannot hide. I see you." "If I put it on, he'll find me. He'll see." One because that shows how single minded he is in his persuit. "He is seeking it, seeking it. All his thought is bent on it." (Sorry I can't think of any more quotes from the book, but that why I think he's an Eye.)
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08-09-2004, 09:52 AM | #4 |
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Genius symbolism.
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08-09-2004, 12:39 PM | #5 | |
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Great Spotlight
The spotlight of Sauron is the cheesiest thing PJ could have ever done. LOL, why don't they just sound the alarm and call SWAT (Sauron's wicked a** trolls). Anyway on to the "Eye of Sauron," since I've shown my extreme hatred towards the whole "spotlight" thing.
Most people have this covered, it was just to symbolize Sauron was watching you, even if you were a ring-bearer or not he was watching. Glorfindel points out in Rivendell, Quote:
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09-06-2004, 09:20 AM | #6 |
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Wait a minute! Are Sauron and Santa Claus related? Think about it! They see you when your sleeping. They see when you're awake! Is this some kinda North Pole -> Mordor conspiricy?
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09-06-2004, 11:20 AM | #7 |
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That's why....
So that's why I got this golden ring with a strange inscription on it for Christmas from Santa. I knew they were in this together!
Here Perky let me finish the tune. "He knows when you are sleeping, he knows when you're awake he knows if you've been bad or good so you better be...er...bad for badness sake" Last edited by Boromir88; 09-06-2004 at 11:50 AM. |
09-06-2004, 01:42 PM | #8 |
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Sorry to continue on this tangent....
Another way Santa and Sauron are related: Forcing elves to do their will! Sauron's elves just happen to already be turned into orcs. I don't think Santa's elves are far from being changed. How can the elves, lovers of nature and all things that grow, survive in the frozen desert of the North Pole?!
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09-06-2004, 07:26 PM | #9 |
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I wonder how long it'll be before this thread is closed, or we're reprimanded for going completely OT... but I'll jump on the bandwagon. Maybe they're stragglers from when the elves crossed the Helcaraxe. They have since evolved into smaller creatures better suited to the icy environment.
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09-06-2004, 07:37 PM | #10 | |
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Sheperding Back...
But back to the eye. The omni-presense of an eye looming over the world strikes more fear then
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09-08-2004, 02:40 PM | #11 |
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Sauron was never just an eye. And he could and did take physical form after Isildur took the Ring; specifically, he took physical form circa the years leading up to the War of the Ring.
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09-08-2004, 03:55 PM | #13 |
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Another clue...
Also other proof is found in the palantir, when Pippin sees the Dark lord in the Palantir. We know this has to be evidence because Sauron can't "alter" the Palantir, I mean what the Palantir show's is reality, he can't change it. If I lost you, because sometimes I don't know how to word things, here's an example...lol.
Ok, Sauron can't make the palantir "lie." For example, say Sauron has 10,000 orcs, in the palantir you'll see that 10,000 orcs, he can't make the palantir lie and show you 40,000 orcs. Hopefully, I've made it a little clearer. Last edited by Boromir88; 09-08-2004 at 04:38 PM. |
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While we're at it...
Legolas provided this quote from the Letters in Sauron - Physical Form In the War of the Ring or Not?:
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