Nenya and Vilya - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Cibbwin · 04-10-2003, 07:40 PM

I was pondering this as I was searching for a Narya and a Vilya replica online, and I'd like to know everyone's opinion.

Galadriel had the Ring of Water, and Elrond the Ring of Air. Don't you think it should be the other way around? I mean, Elrond controlled the Bruinen, and Caras Galadhron was hidden by illusions, I.E. Air magic. Any thoughts everyone?

davem · 04-11-2003, 02:31 AM

Well, what about Galadriel's mirror, the Phial, which is filled with water from her fountain, the mist which she sends to cover the progress of Eorl to aid Cirion?
Elrond's relationship to 'air' isn't as obvious to me (Nor Cirdan's with Fire, for that matter!)

Tinuviel the Nightingale · 04-11-2003, 05:13 AM

Maybe Elrond's relationship with air has got to do with his father Earendil. I mean he is sailing amongst the stars somewhere, that's gotta have some connection.

Frodo Baggins · 04-11-2003, 06:04 AM

Well Tinuviel, you snatched the words straight out of my mouth. I think there is a connection between the son of Earendil and the Ring of Air. And just because it is the Ring of Air dosen't mean you cannot control part of a river with it. Besides, where does it say the flooding of the Brueinen has anything to do with a ring of power? I mean, maybe being 1/16 Maia has its advanteges.

And you can partially thank Gil-Galad for the reason Elrond has Vilya. He was its keeper initially, but he gave it to Elrond sometome before he died (hmmmm maybe he has the gift of foresight as well).

Cibbwin · 04-11-2003, 06:40 PM

Hmm, I see your points everyone, and the mirrior and phial, and Elendil points are good, but to answer the ford flooding question:

Well, the river is water, and I figured the ring of water would give him greater power. Thanks for your imput guys.

Iarhen · 04-11-2003, 06:54 PM

But Elrond DID NOT have the ring of water. He had the ring of air. Galadriel had Nenya, Ring of Adamant and Ring of Water...

Possibly long distance aid from her mother in law, the Lady of Light? [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Tar Elenion · 04-11-2003, 08:43 PM

What is more likely is that Vilya and Nenya did not grant Elrond and Galadriel the ability to 'control' water or mist or air etc. At most the Rings simply enhanced the _natural_ ability of two already powerful beings to do that.

04-10-2003, 07:40 PM	#1
Cibbwin Wight Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: California Posts: 145	Nenya and Vilya I was pondering this as I was searching for a Narya and a Vilya replica online, and I'd like to know everyone's opinion. Galadriel had the Ring of Water, and Elrond the Ring of Air. Don't you think it should be the other way around? I mean, Elrond controlled the Bruinen, and Caras Galadhron was hidden by illusions, I.E. Air magic. Any thoughts everyone? __________________ The Warrior Hobbit Nîn o Chithaeglir, lasto beth daer; Rimmo nîn Bruinen, dan in Ulaer!

04-11-2003, 02:31 AM	#2
davem Illustrious Ulair Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In the home of lost causes, and forsaken beliefs, and unpopular names,and impossible loyalties Posts: 4,240	Well, what about Galadriel's mirror, the Phial, which is filled with water from her fountain, the mist which she sends to cover the progress of Eorl to aid Cirion? Elrond's relationship to 'air' isn't as obvious to me (Nor Cirdan's with Fire, for that matter!) __________________ “Everything was an object. If you killed a dwarf you could use it as a weapon – it was no different to other large heavy objects."

04-11-2003, 05:13 AM	#3
Tinuviel the Nightingale Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Splashing around in Galadriel's Mirror Posts: 299	Maybe Elrond's relationship with air has got to do with his father Earendil. I mean he is sailing amongst the stars somewhere, that's gotta have some connection. __________________ I am no longer Saruman the White... I am Saruman THE BRINGER OF ALL THINGS FLUFFY AND SPECIAL! Join Legends of Middle Earth!

04-11-2003, 06:04 AM	#4
Frodo Baggins Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Bag-End, Under-Hill, Hobbiton-across-the Water Posts: 606	Well Tinuviel, you snatched the words straight out of my mouth. I think there is a connection between the son of Earendil and the Ring of Air. And just because it is the Ring of Air dosen't mean you cannot control part of a river with it. Besides, where does it say the flooding of the Brueinen has anything to do with a ring of power? I mean, maybe being 1/16 Maia has its advanteges. And you can partially thank Gil-Galad for the reason Elrond has Vilya. He was its keeper initially, but he gave it to Elrond sometome before he died (hmmmm maybe he has the gift of foresight as well). __________________ "I'm your huckleberry....that's just my game."

04-11-2003, 06:40 PM	#5
Cibbwin Wight Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: California Posts: 145	Hmm, I see your points everyone, and the mirrior and phial, and Elendil points are good, but to answer the ford flooding question: Well, the river is water, and I figured the ring of water would give him greater power. Thanks for your imput guys. __________________ The Warrior Hobbit Nîn o Chithaeglir, lasto beth daer; Rimmo nîn Bruinen, dan in Ulaer!

04-11-2003, 06:54 PM	#6
Iarhen Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Laurelindorenan Posts: 225	But Elrond DID NOT have the ring of water. He had the ring of air. Galadriel had Nenya, Ring of Adamant and Ring of Water... Possibly long distance aid from her mother in law, the Lady of Light? [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ "In place of a Dark Lord you will have a Queen! Not dark but beatiful and terrible as the Dawn! Treacherous as the sea! Stronger than the foundations of the Earth! All shall love me and despair!" --- Galadriel when tempted by the One Ring.

04-11-2003, 08:43 PM	#7
Tar Elenion Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 369	What is more likely is that Vilya and Nenya did not grant Elrond and Galadriel the ability to 'control' water or mist or air etc. At most the Rings simply enhanced the _natural_ ability of two already powerful beings to do that. __________________ Tar-Elenion