Sex in RotK?! The Outrage!!!!

[Diamond18]

<I>"One Moment stood she, and a spell<BR>His voice laid on her: Beren came,<BR>And doom fell on Tinuviel<BR>That in his arms lay glistening."</I><P>Come on, Lush, with lines like that you say sex wasn't Tolkien's forte???<P>

[Dininziliel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Besides, doesn't Aragorn have better things to do (and Arwen also now she's stolen Éowyn's role)? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P><I>WHAT?!?</I><B>what??!!</B> Oh, now I am genuinely alarmed. Naked sex scene? heehee, no way. But, Arwen taking Eowyn's role? Does this mean Jackson's got Arwen in the Battle of Pelennor Fields instead of Eowyn? Someone please tell me I am jumping to the wrong conclusion. But after TTT, I would not put it past Jackson.

[Evisse the Blue]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Personally, I'm just waiting for Frodo's nude scene... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Amen, sister! <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't think they're really going to show that in the movie. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Awww, man! Another perfect illusion about this movie shattered to pieces

[Lush]

Hehe, Diamond, we did discuss that aspect of his work once upon a time in the Books forum, but I don't think he ever approached sexuality directly in his work, i.e. something in terms of: "and then they got it on."

[Morquesse]

There won't be a sex scene in RotK. Why? There's no time. If PJ wanted a sex scene, he had the perfect opportunity TTT (and we would have witnessed how detailed Aragorn's memory is) <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Personally, I'm just waiting for Frodo's nude scene... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I don't wan't him <I>completely</I> naked, just weak and helpless. <P>See you later!<BR>~M

[Lyta_Underhill]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I don't wan't him completely naked, just weak and helpless. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Not me! I think that Frodo's complete nudity in the scene in the Tower of Cirith Ungol is symbolic and necessary. He may be helpless at that point, but he shows a refreshing hobbit resilience at the same time (Frodo telling Sam about his dream that awful orcs turned into Sam, so the dream can't be all bad and for a moment, Frodo seems almost normal.) The "they took everything...everything" moment is quite a powerful moment for Frodo and for Sam, who shows him that the Ring is safe at that moment. Actually, I don't care if they leave Frodo in a pair of (skimpy) hobbit trunks for the sake of a PG rating, but I DO hope they keep the scene! It is emblematic of how Frodo is completely broken down during his quest. His physical nudity mirrors his mental nudity ("naked in the dark".) See! I can be philosophical about a nude scene! <P>Cheers,<BR>Lyta

[THE Ka]

Well, you just don't know what Rolling Stone will put in their magazine to liven it up a bit. You know that their just over-boasting... i hope ... i've read rotr and there's natta thing in there that is anything like that! <BR> i hope to all mighty heaven rolling stone isn't true....<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Ten thousand years we're struck the fire, creation's music freely sung with magick joined we've praised the stars since first the world begun. Our spirit lives in timeless dance, The Tarot and the Rune, and nights united in power of drawing down the moon! <BR>-David O. Norris, 1994

[samrohan]

The LOTR movies certainly don't need nudity or sex scenes to make them interesting. Though I am sure some low class porn producer will recreate some scenes of the LOTR in some low budget movies.<P>PJ may have Frodo nude but it should be kept short and tastful.

[The Only Real Estel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>He's already got people miffed about the Arwen Glorfindel ordeal and he's not about to sign his own death warrent in putting a sex scene in the ROTK.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Heh. If only we could believe that. Did miffing people about Arwen cause him to think twice about miffing the same peole with Boromir-<I>er</I>-Faramir in TTT?<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>PJ may have Frodo nude but it should be kept short and tastful.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I am sure it will be like the scene with Gandalf in TTT.<P><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>there is always the chance that such a scene will cause PJ's assassination by a mob of rabid LotR purist-type fans who would take it as a form of blasphemy.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P> Thanks for the complement. <p>[ September 09, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

[The Only Real Estel]

I kinda doubt PJ would do it also, but speculation is fun! And it draws good responses.

[Sapphire_Flame]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Personally, I'm just waiting for Frodo's nude scene...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't think they're really going to show that in the movie.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Rats. <P> No, really, I think the scene in and of itself is significant, but they don't really have to show <I>anything</I>. *hint* I agree with Only Real Estel, saying that it will probably be like the bit with Gandalf in Towers.<P>Abedithon le,<P>~*~Aranel~*~<p>[ September 09, 2003: Message edited by: Sapphire_Flame ]

[Gilthalion]

You know, there could have been a nude scene with not only Frodo, but also Sam, Merry, and Pippin, all running about on the grass in the sunshine, having just been rescued from the wicked old Barrow Wight, himself!<P>This opportunity was lost along with the entire story of the Old Forest, Tombombadil, and the Barrow-Downs.<P>Off hand, I don't recall any other acts of random nudity in LOTR. Seems to me that in the SIL, Turin's sister ran around nude for a while.

[Finwe]

I think that Peter Jackson has more respect for Tolkien's books than to put a sex scene in Return of the King. Now a make-out scene is entirely different. He could still put that in there, and it would be more bearable. But he would never go all the way and put a sex scene in there.<P>Besides, since when have we degraded so low as to start believing Rolling Stone and other brainless magazines over our own Tolkien-inspired common sense? Shame on you all!

[Pookabunny]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Besides, since when have we degraded so low as to start believing Rolling Stone and other brainless magazines over our own Tolkien-inspired common sense? Shame on you all! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>True, but yo - it's easy to get sidetracked when there's a threat to that purist vision. <P>Rolling Stone did what it wanted to do - it got us riled up and enticed us. Go them and their bait!

[Maeglanthirion]

I don't think it was an overstatement concerning an insult to literature or something. A sex scene in RotK would be the worst thing to happen. Number One, it would lead to the death of PJ by angy LotR mobs, that is if Christopher Lee didn't get to him first. And yes, it would raise the rating to R and they would lose a great deal of audience by the scene itself and the new rating. That really would be incredilbly stupid of PJ, and an insult to J.R.R. Tolkein. That would come close to making me leave the theater. I say almost because I couldn't miss the finale. I did hear a rumor about a sex scene in TTT and I was angry at hearing that. But that came out okay. It would also be a waste of time as said before, considering they cut the end off TTT, they gotta cram it in also, so I highly doubt it. Don't take this personally Lush, but can it! You're funny but wrong. If you wanna see Viggo naked, find another movie, cause LotR is the wrong one. Man, I though all the love scenes in TTT were a waste of time also, but my mom loved it . Well, now that I've added my bit, I'll be around.

[Lush]

Don't take this personally, Maeg, but before you tell me to "can it" why don't you go back and re-read my original posts?<p>[ September 10, 2003: Message edited by: Lush ]

[Lord of Angmar]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>but I think a sex scene is as likely as a crack-smoking scene.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Thank you, Lush, for being so down-to-earth. I personally would be upset if Peter Jackson chose to film such a thing, but I could not have put it better than your above quote about the likelyhood of such a thing happening. <P>If people here want to spend their time getting angry about something Tolkien-related, look no further than the Mattel Aragorn and Arwen Barbie Dolls. Yes, unlike this proposed "elf girl Liv Tyler" love scene, it is real.<P>Cheers!<BR>-Angmar

[Evisse the Blue]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> If people here want to spend their time getting angry about something Tolkien-related, look no further than the Mattel Aragorn and Arwen Barbie Dolls. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>See, it's at times like these that I am glad I don't live in America. In this middle of nowhere, we are spared this unspeakable horror. Sorry to those that go for this kind of thing.

[Elen Ilúvitauri]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>but I think a sex scene is as likely as a crack-smoking scene. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>True, but what should it matter if there is? oh, i suppose the younger fans would find it inapropriate, but since it is lotr i dont think it would be the whol scene if you know what im talking about.

[Arwen Eruantale]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Did miffing people about Arwen cause him to think twice about miffing the same peole with Boromir-er-Faramir in TTT?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>lol. Only Real Estel. <BR>I suppose you have a point, but after having thought it over some more I seriously don't think Jackson would do it. (and I'll join you at the head of the mob if he does )<BR>But seriously, think about the source.. <I>The Rolling Stone?</I> Since when are they a reliable source for movie insider info?

[Kalimac]

I agree with Lush (there's a shock for you ). Putting in a sex scene is about as likely as...well, think of anything that's really, really unlikely. Some movies work well with sex scenes, but this wouldn't be one of them - it just would have nothing to do with the point.<P>One thing I'd like to add about Rolling Stone - no, they're not exactly the most sober, factual source in the world, but in this case they may technically be right. No, I don't mean that we'll get the hidden-camera view of Aragorn and Arwen (or, worse, Eowyn). When they say "The sex is hotter" by using the comparative they're saying "hotter than in the first two movies." All the first two movies had were a few kisses and an embrace or two. We have to assume that this is what they mean when they loosely use the word "sex" to refer to those films; there sure isn't anything else that qualifies as even remotely sexual activity, unless you want to count the hobbits dancing in FOTR. So presumably, it just means we're going to get a bigger helping of what we've already seen glimpses of - that is, we might see Aragorn and Arwen kiss each other MORE THAN ONCE!!! (shock, amazement) and probably embrace at least once, at their wedding if nowhere else. And remember there's the as-yet-unrealized Eowyn/Faramir romance - they can't let those two go without a few pecks. And don't forget Sam and Rosie at the end.<P>All that PJ has to do to treble or quadruple the romance quotient is just have the couples actually be within shouting distance of each other. And that happens a lot more in ROTK than in either of the other books.

[Lyta_Underhill]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>All that PJ has to do to treble or quadruple the romance quotient is just have the couples actually be within shouting distance of each other. And that happens a lot more in ROTK than in either of the other books.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Good point, Kalimac! I personally didn't think twice about Rolling Stone's claims and just went off on a tangent on Frodo's nude scene, which has no sex at all, just nudity and a whole lot of emotion! And Gilthalion brings up the lost opportunity for a four-nude-hobbit scene! Ah, I miss the Barrow-Downs! <P>Anyway, Rolling Stone just rolls off my back, really! Its just fun to toss it around a bit! After all, Sam's gaggle of kids had to come from somewhere! <P>Cheers,<BR>Lyta

[Arwen Eruantale]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>All that PJ has to do to treble or quadruple the romance quotient is just have the couples actually be within shouting distance of each other. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>lol, Kalimac. That is very true.

[Knight of Gondor]

Well, it took a long time for me to read all this! But it’s the kind of issue that’s come up before, and one worth sounding off on.<P>I don’t exactly know the reputation of Rolling Stone. I could take an educated guess, based on everyone’s reaction (“‘nuff said&#8221 . <P>But I think most of us can be pretty confidant that there will be no sex scene in RotK. Most of the reasons have already been mentioned, but surprisingly, no one has mentioned the rumor that the Fellowship of the Ring extended edition would be rated R for nudity. It was just a rumor to get everyone’s dander up. But it was believable enough (that is, a whole lot of people wanted it to be true) that a professional Hollywood reporter mentioned that rumor, without ever correcting it.<P>Then we had a very large discussion about this kind of thing back when the Two Towers preview released, and they had that bit in there with Arwen appearing to be on top of Aragorn and kissing him. After that, we all had it out over whether or not there’d be a Scene in TTT, and whether or not it would be right.<P>As for Poor Mr. Frodo’s supposed “nude” scene, I think we can stop worrying about that too. (Well, those of us who DON’T want to see any nudity) I think it will be as tasteful as Gandalf’s reawakening. Although, I must confess just trying to figure out what it looked like after that, according to the book, cracked me up. The Eagle comes and carries him around in the sky, and bears him back to none other than LOTHLÓRIEN! I can imagine a nude Gandalf creeping from Mallorn to Mallorn. Then sneaks up to one particular one and peeks out from it and whispers hoarsely: Haldir! PSSST! Haldir! *Gestures madly* Toss me that cloak!<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> And if it does happen.. well, I'll meet you in the lavatories to discuss assasination tactics. -Dynaviir <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Ha ha, right on, Dynaviir! Only thing is, do YOU go to the Men’s Room? You might be evicted...<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>You know, there could have been a nude scene with not only Frodo, but also Sam, Merry, and Pippin, all running about on the grass in the sunshine, having just been rescued from the wicked old Barrow Wight, himself!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Aha! So the true reason the “Tolkien purists” were up in arms about no Tom comes out. <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>that is if Christopher Lee didn't get to him first.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Are you kidding? He’d be the leader of the pack. I can just imagine him with his staff, flinging PJ against the wall, those chubby little legs dressed always and only in shorts flinging every which way, and then belting him around a little, and then going something like this: “I gave you the chance of abstaining from scandalous scenes...but you...have elected the way of PAIN!” and then flinging him atop the Sears Roebuck Tower or something.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Don't take this personally Lush, but can it! – Maeglanthirion<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Maeglanthirion, I’ve been gone from this board for nine months, but back when I was here, I had to put up with Lush. Hee hee, no offense to Lush, that is. She’s got her own little unique worldview, so we just have to put up with her. <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>See, it's at times like these that I am glad I don't live in America. In this middle of nowhere, we are spared this unspeakable horror. Sorry to those that go for this kind of thing. - Evisse the Blue <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Don’t apologize for being glad you don’t get entertained by such “American” entertainment, Evisse. I’m not happy with it either. I have never gone to an R-rated movie, seen a graphic sex scene, anything like that. Nonetheless, I’m swamped by all kinds of flashy ads for those kinds of things, so it’s hard. But I’m still glad I live in America – there’s lots of good here too!<P>I think we can all relax about these rumors. Though I must insert that, on the slim chance they should prove true, I will choose not to see Return of the King until either one of two things: An edited version is released, or can be obtained, or I get married.

[Theoric Windcaller]

Dear lord Cinderella. I am not trying to be rude, but who cares if Aragorn and Arwen make love in RotK?<P>PJ is a hardcore LotR fan, probably more hardcore than most of us, so he knows what he's doing. Just let him do his thing. If there is sex in the 3rd movie, then just ignore it if you think its a crime against literature, but personally, I don't go for sex in movies, but I think that nothing really heavy but a long make out session will truly express the love between the two.<P>This is all IMO.

[Arwen Eruantale]

Sorry for the off-topic guys. But, Knight of Gondor, your PM box is full.

[Lush]

It's entirely may fault, <B>Arwen</B>, I've been sending <B>Knight</B> a little too much fan-mail. <P>*hangs head in shame*

[Annalaliath]

Knight check your messages!!!!!!!!

[The Only Real Estel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Does this mean we get to see Faramir and Eowyn hot and heavy too...What about Sam and Rosie?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Sam & Rosie? Ugghh, I'm scarred forever

[Arwen Eruantale]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I'm scarred forever<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Ditto.

[Meneltarmacil]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I can imagine a nude Gandalf creeping from Mallorn to Mallorn. Then sneaks up to one particular one and peeks out from it and whispers hoarsely: Haldir! PSSST! Haldir! *Gestures madly* Toss me that cloak!<BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> *dies laughing* <P>Also note that Galadriel can see EVERYTHING going on within her realm ...<BR>I can just see it now.<BR>(voice in Gandalf's head): EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK!!! Either put some clothes on or get the &@#%$*@!!! out of here! Trust me, I did NOT want to see that.<p>[ September 12, 2003: Message edited by: Meneltarmacil ]

[The Saucepan Man]

Hey, let's see if we can make three pages of outrage about something that's never going to happen. <P>For the record, I cannot see that there is anything wrong with nudity in films, provided that it is in the proper context. And the LotR films just ain't the right context.

[Dininziliel]

Appealing to the mercy of my fellow LotR folk, would someone please put me out of my anxiety and tell me what was meant by " ... now that Arwen stole Eowyn's role"???? Having roamed the internet in search of any information and finding none, I am hoping that it meant nothing, but I feel the need to be reassured that Eowyn will still be the one that ends Witch King's undead existence and not [shudders with contempt and horror] Arwen.

[Knight of Gondor]

I would not fear, Dininziliel. I am quite sure that Peter Jackson wouldn't do something so absolutely mind-numbingly stupid as to replace Eowyn with Arwen as the battler of the Witch-King. I don't think he's THAT tired of living! *Unsheaths sword*<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Knight of Gondor, your PM box is full.<P>It's entirely may fault, Arwen, I've been sending Knight a little too much fan-mail. <BR>*hangs head in shame*<P>Knight check your messages!!!!!!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I don't know what you guys are talking about. I checked, and I have nothing.<P>Ha ha, Lush, fan mail! Could you send me some chain mail instead? It would go great with my costume!

[Cinderella]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Dear lord Cinderella. I am not trying to be rude, but who cares if Aragorn and Arwen make love in RotK? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I only care becuase I felt it was completely unecessary to the plot and would take away time from the story that is dearly needed, I'm still wondering how they're going to fit everything relevant into this movie! If the scene was short and tasteful I wouldn't give a rats behind. I was just scared by the thought of PJ throwing in a useless sex scene to draw in more of a crowd. I simply don't want to see more important plot pieces abandoned for an Arwen and Aragorn scene that never happened in the first place. <BR>You follow me?

[Gorwingel]

If there is going to be sex in ROTK, Well then I must be the heir to the British throne! <BR>It is just not going to happen!!!!<P>Speaking of Rolling Stone though. In the upcoming issue Viggo is going to be in it. How surprised I was to see right next to the extremely sexual photo of Britney Spears, the name of the actor that plays our honorable Aragorn (even though he did have nude scenes in other films, it does not matter to me)<P>Additionally I have to say that I have read other articles by the movie reviewer from Rolling Stone, especially one about the upcoming Oscars and films that could be nominated. And the main guy loves the LOTR films. He actually wrote an entire thing about how LOTR:ROTK should win the Oscar for best picture, because everyone knows that the LOTR films are much better than "A Beautiful Mind" or "Chicago" <BR>When reviewers say stuff like that it just makes me happy <P>So Rolling Stone is not all that bad (except for the photo of Britney Spears, but that complant is completely off topic)

uhh, nudity's okay with me!!

well well well i wouldnt be surprised of rolling stones said that ...honestly its the rolling stones magazine!! anyway if peter jackson DID add a little love scene he probably wouldnt make it a hard-core show all sex scene hed probably just show like kissing and like things that arent sooo provocative...also if peter did think of doing that i think he would sorta have to fight cuz didnt he have to get consent or wutever just to make that book a movie soo obviously i doubt he could change the book sooo much...also (changed subject a little) even though it hasnt come out yet but he just directed that new movie "cabin fever"...i want to see that...however its rated R sooo i wonder wut peter did in that movie that made it taht rating...i think its probably gore and cursing...

[Knight of Gondor]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>nudity's okay with me<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well, with all respect, go watch American Pie or something and leave your nudity out of LotR please.<p>[ September 14, 2003: Message edited by: Knight of Gondor ]

[Gorwingel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>also (changed subject a little) even though it hasnt come out yet but he just directed that new movie "cabin fever"...i want to see that...however its rated R sooo i wonder wut peter did in that movie that made it taht rating...i think its probably gore and cursing...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I am sorry, but Peter Jackson did not direct that movie. He just endorsed it in the advertising. It is actually directed by a man by the name of Eli Roth.