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Rose Cotton · 09-05-2003, 07:30 PM

In the Two Towers the movie, during Helms Deep, Aragorn shouts in elvish "Ladders" and Gimli is seen replying "Good." How did he understand the elvish? We've already been told in Lothlorien on the Extended DVD that Gimli dosn't understand the language. I though maybe some people were saying "Ladders" in english but I didn't hear anyone. Is this a little blooper?

The Only Real Estel · 09-05-2003, 07:39 PM

I think there's another spot were this is addressed, but since I don't know where it is, here' smy explaination: I do think it's a blooper. There's a theory that Legolas may have taught Gimli some elvish (unlikly), but why would he teach him the elvish word for 'ladders'?

Finnguala · 09-06-2003, 07:28 AM

Yup, I noticed that too. But it's all very confusing! Legolas said something about aiming at the Uruks necks, but I don't think anyone heard it, because he spoke VERY soft. And Aragorn screaming orders in Elvish and a few minutes later in the common language...

dancing spawn of ungoliant · 09-06-2003, 07:55 AM

But it is good that Aragorn gives orders in two languanges since all the rohirrim can't understand elvish.

The Only Real Estel · 09-06-2003, 12:02 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>But it is good that Aragorn gives orders in two languanges since all the rohirrim can't understand elvish.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> True, but as far as I could tell, the elves were with Aragorn & the Rohirrim were with Theoden. So that shouldn't be the reason for it.

Evisse the Blue · 09-06-2003, 04:58 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Legolas said something about aiming at the Uruks necks, but I don't think anyone heard it, because he spoke VERY soft <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Maybe he was actually speaking in Ossanwe-Kenta (sp?), telepathy that is, with his fellow Elves and he was actually 'thinking aloud' . well, a theory...

The Only Real Estel · 09-06-2003, 05:22 PM

I think he was more saying it to the elves that were around him. Perhaps it would seem to forward to shout stuff to all of the other elves, since he's not their commander. I don't know about that last bit, but I think he was saying it more to those around him than anything. EDIT Happy 600th post day to me [ September 06, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

Phrim · 09-06-2003, 06:18 PM

My guess is Gimli was just reading the subtitles like everyone else.

Angadraug · 09-06-2003, 10:48 PM

Or maybe Gimli just knows elvish. When the elves and dwarves were friendly with eachother they spoke eachothers languages all the time. The walls to Moria in the FOTR the password was the Elvish word for friend. So maybe as tradition they all are taught how to speak the language, either to hold conversations with them or just to make fun of them in their own language.

Elentári · 09-07-2003, 09:16 AM

Er...no they didn't, because the Dwarves never taught their own language to anyone else, did they? Yes, maybe he had a little TV screen in his prosthetics and read the subtitles...hehehe

Finnguala · 09-10-2003, 04:54 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I think he was more saying it to the elves that were around him. Perhaps it would seem to forward to shout stuff to all of the other elves, since he's not their commander. I don't know about that last bit, but I think he was saying it more to those around him than anything. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>But what's the point of saying that, if only a few Elves can hear it?!! Ah... you know what.... I DON'T KNOW!! <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Yes, maybe he had a little TV screen in his prosthetics and read the subtitles...hehehe<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>*Lol* But of course! How silly of me! I might have know! [ September 10, 2003: Message edited by: Finnguala ]

dancing spawn of ungoliant · 09-11-2003, 07:52 AM

Maybe even Legolas was a bit nervous due to the battle and he reminded himself where to shoot the arrows...oh well, this is just speculation.

The Only Real Estel · 09-11-2003, 09:35 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>But what's the point of saying that, if only a few Elves can hear it?!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Good question. I guess telling it to about 10 archers is better than none. & remember, elves have really good ears, so more of them could've heard Legolas then we think.

09-05-2003, 07:30 PM	#1
Rose Cotton Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: A place worse then Mordor........School! Posts: 1,075	Ladders In the Two Towers the movie, during Helms Deep, Aragorn shouts in elvish "Ladders" and Gimli is seen replying "Good." How did he understand the elvish? We've already been told in Lothlorien on the Extended DVD that Gimli dosn't understand the language. I though maybe some people were saying "Ladders" in english but I didn't hear anyone. Is this a little blooper? __________________ "There's nothing you can do, Harry... nothing... he's gone."-Remus Lupin "The closer we are to danger, the further we are from harm."-Pippin (now how can you argue with that logic?)

09-05-2003, 07:39 PM	#2
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	I think there's another spot were this is addressed, but since I don't know where it is, here' smy explaination:<P> I do think it's a blooper. There's a theory that Legolas may have taught Gimli some elvish (unlikly), but why would he teach him the elvish word for 'ladders'?

09-06-2003, 07:28 AM	#3
Finnguala Wight Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Lothlorien Posts: 124	Yup, I noticed that too. But it's all very confusing! Legolas said something about aiming at the Uruks necks, but I don't think anyone heard it, because he spoke VERY soft.<BR>And Aragorn screaming orders in Elvish and a few minutes later in the common language... __________________ ~'Autha Lun Tana Voima Te Vereni Vahve Maksi'~

09-06-2003, 07:55 AM	#4
dancing spawn of ungoliant Mischievous Candle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: So near to Russia, so far from Japan, quite a long way from Cairo, lots of miles from Vietnam. Posts: 1,234	But it is good that Aragorn gives orders in two languanges since all the rohirrim can't understand elvish. __________________ Fenris Wolf

09-06-2003, 04:58 PM	#6
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Legolas said something about aiming at the Uruks necks, but I don't think anyone heard it, because he spoke VERY soft <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Maybe he was actually speaking in Ossanwe-Kenta (sp?), telepathy that is, with his fellow Elves and he was actually 'thinking aloud' . well, a theory... __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

09-06-2003, 12:02 PM	#5
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>But it is good that Aragorn gives orders in two languanges since all the rohirrim can't understand elvish.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> True, but as far as I could tell, the elves were with Aragorn & the Rohirrim were with Theoden. So that shouldn't be the reason for it.

09-06-2003, 05:22 PM	#7
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	I think he was more saying it to the elves that were around him. Perhaps it would seem to forward to shout stuff to all of the other elves, since he's not their commander. I don't know about that last bit, but I think he was saying it more to those around him than anything. <P><BR><B>EDIT</B> Happy 600th post day to me <p>[ September 06, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

09-06-2003, 06:18 PM	#8
Phrim Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 72	My guess is Gimli was just reading the subtitles like everyone else.<P>

09-06-2003, 10:48 PM	#9
Angadraug Animated Skeleton Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 44	Or maybe Gimli just knows elvish. When the elves and dwarves were friendly with eachother they spoke eachothers languages all the time. The walls to Moria in the FOTR the password was the Elvish word for friend. So maybe as tradition they all are taught how to speak the language, either to hold conversations with them or just to make fun of them in their own language.

09-07-2003, 09:16 AM	#10
Elentári Wight Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Up a tree somewhere in Caras Galadhon... Posts: 113	Er...no they didn't, because the Dwarves never taught their own language to anyone else, did they?<BR>Yes, maybe he had a little TV screen in his prosthetics and read the subtitles...hehehe __________________ Dotard! What is the house of Eorl but a thatched barn where brigands drink in the reek, and their brats roll on the floor among the dogs? Spread the word! The 1st annual Golden Ring Marathon! October 20th 2005! Tell Everyone! Frodo Lives!

09-10-2003, 04:54 AM	#11
Finnguala Wight Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Lothlorien Posts: 124	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I think he was more saying it to the elves that were around him. Perhaps it would seem to forward to shout stuff to all of the other elves, since he's not their commander. I don't know about that last bit, but I think he was saying it more to those around him than anything. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>But what's the point of saying that, if only a few Elves can hear it?!! Ah... you know what.... I DON'T KNOW!! <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Yes, maybe he had a little TV screen in his prosthetics and read the subtitles...hehehe<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Lol But of course! How silly of me! I might have know! <p>[ September 10, 2003: Message edited by: Finnguala ] __________________ ~'Autha Lun Tana Voima Te Vereni Vahve Maksi'~

09-11-2003, 07:52 AM	#12
dancing spawn of ungoliant Mischievous Candle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: So near to Russia, so far from Japan, quite a long way from Cairo, lots of miles from Vietnam. Posts: 1,234	Maybe even Legolas was a bit nervous due to the battle and he reminded himself where to shoot the arrows...oh well, this is just speculation. __________________ Fenris Wolf

09-11-2003, 09:35 AM	#13
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>But what's the point of saying that, if only a few Elves can hear it?!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Good question. I guess telling it to about 10 archers is better than none. & remember, elves have really good ears, so more of them could've heard Legolas then we think.