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HCIsland · 07-27-2003, 08:47 PM

Book Faramir.My biggest problem is that movie Faramir's motivations never came across, which I blame on editting. I'm hoping that will be rectified to some degree with the special edition, but even with that I still expect to enjoy Book Faramir more. We'll have to see.H.C.

The Only Real Estel · 07-28-2003, 05:47 PM

I've heard (as I'm sure most of you have as well) that at least a bit more of Faramir will be explained. But that's just some little things that show us why he was so distrustful (& somewhat rude) to Frodo & 'his gardner'. That helps a bit, but I hope it reveals more about him.

07-28-2003, 09:05 PM

I think that the Faramir in the book was much better because he was nicer to Frodo and Sam.

The Only Real Estel · 09-09-2003, 11:22 AM

Sorry to bring this back, but I've been asked by some people to post the long-over-due totals:Book Faramir: 26 votes (87%)Movie Faramir: 4 votes (13%) Thanks for the votes, actually hearing the arguments was even more fun.

Elentári_O_Most_Mighty_1 · 09-12-2003, 01:47 PM

Not too late to enter my post is it?Book Faramir!!! Hehehe, I did a talk on LotR at school as part of my speaking and listening skills for GCSE English...but anyway, I got REALLY worked up about Faramir, people were laughing. Anyway, I'm afraid I've simply argued this too many times to say it again.

Knight of Gondor · 09-12-2003, 09:31 PM

Okay, since I left shortly before the movie TTT came OUT, I haven't been able to express myself on this particular issue, so forgive me if I echo someone else.I liked the book Faramir better, obviously. He was much more lordly and befitting of the position of Steward. But one person brought up the point that the movie did seem to make Faramir more believable as a human, which is a good point. Faramir is almost TOO good in the books, if you take my meaning.But I almost think the character in the movie is enhanced somewhat by the emotional conflict we will see between Denethor, Boromir, and Faramir. Faramir being mistreated and always the unfavored one (as we'll see in the EE and RotK), when he comes upon the Ring, he does not take it for his own personal gain, unlike Boromir. He brought the hobbits to Osgiliath in order to give them to his father, in order to prove it. You can see where some of the flashback will be, the slow pan over Faramir's face in the Cave, remembering the victory in Osgiliath, and his father's cold attitude.And you can also see the emotional conflict on his face when he says "Then [my life] is forfeit" towards the end. That scene, after knowing what I know about the EE material, really impressed me. It's almost a BETTER character coming out of Faramir, rejecting his opportunity to redeem himself to his father. Almost made me cry, but nothing makes me cry.So I think that, while the book is better by far, the movie edition is still more understandable after the EE stuff comes through, and you see the stuff with Denethor.

Elentári_O_Most_Mighty_1 · 09-13-2003, 04:20 AM

Hmm yes, I can't wait till the EE. Nothing makes me cry either...well at least I didn't cry in Pearl Harbor (oh man, it goes against the grain to miss out the 'u'...but hey) and all my friends labelled me heartless. But I did cry for three weeks in a row when the Forsyte Saga was last on...

09-13-2003, 03:56 PM

book Faramir, no doubt in my mind about it.

The Only Real Estel · 09-13-2003, 05:02 PM

Yeah, if any comments want to be added, that's fine by me, just as long as you know the poll is aready been done .

Balin999 · 09-19-2003, 09:11 AM

Book Faramir. I liked the Faramir in the book, and I hated that idiot in the movies. After the stupid things he did in the movies, the worst was his "wanna-be-tough" look of him. But then, this could be interpreted as poor Faramir having to show how much better he can do than his brother and therefore being under constant stress. Ha.

samrohan · 09-19-2003, 10:11 AM

The actor in the film was very good, perfect for the role. But what PJ made him do is frightfull, much too much artistic license. His role deviates too much from the book, therefore from the reality......

Elentári_O_Most_Mighty_1 · 09-19-2003, 12:18 PM

From the reality? Hate to break it to you people, but Middle Earth's history is actually fiction...or is it?? Awww Estel, can't you update your poll???

The Only Real Estel · 09-19-2003, 05:28 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Awww Estel, can't you update your poll???<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Not for awhile at least.[ September 19, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

**The Saucepan Man** · 09-19-2003, 06:23 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Awww Estel, can't you update your poll??? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>What's the point? Clearly, unless you agree with my (some would say twisted) logic that Book Faramir worked best in the Book and Film Faramir worked best in the Film, Book Faramir will continue to win hands down.

07-27-2003, 08:47 PM	#41
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	Book Faramir.<P>My biggest problem is that movie Faramir's motivations never came across, which I blame on editting. I'm hoping that will be rectified to some degree with the special edition, but even with that I still expect to enjoy Book Faramir more. We'll have to see.<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

09-09-2003, 11:22 AM	#44
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	Sorry to bring this back, but I've been asked by some people to post the long-over-due totals:<P>Book Faramir: 26 votes (87%)<P>Movie Faramir: 4 votes (13%)<P> Thanks for the votes, actually hearing the arguments was even more fun.

09-12-2003, 01:47 PM	#45
Elentári_O_Most_Mighty_1 Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Up a tree somewhere in Caras Galadhon...or England Posts: 364	Not too late to enter my post is it?<P>Book Faramir!!! Hehehe, I did a talk on LotR at school as part of my speaking and listening skills for GCSE English...but anyway, I got REALLY worked up about Faramir, people were laughing. Anyway, I'm afraid I've simply argued this too many times to say it again. __________________ '"Forweg can lead you no longer; for he is dead...I slew him...I will govern this fellowship now, or leave it." "As it was when he joined us, so it is again. He kills to make room."'

09-12-2003, 09:31 PM	#46
Knight of Gondor Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 744	Okay, since I left shortly before the movie TTT came OUT, I haven't been able to express myself on this particular issue, so forgive me if I echo someone else.<P>I liked the book Faramir better, obviously. He was much more lordly and befitting of the position of Steward. <P>But one person brought up the point that the movie did seem to make Faramir more believable as a human, which is a good point. Faramir is almost TOO good in the books, if you take my meaning.<P>But I almost think the character in the movie is enhanced somewhat by the emotional conflict we will see between Denethor, Boromir, and Faramir. Faramir being mistreated and always the unfavored one (as we'll see in the EE and RotK), when he comes upon the Ring, he does not take it for his own personal gain, unlike Boromir. He brought the hobbits to Osgiliath in order to give them to his father, in order to prove it. <P>You can see where some of the flashback will be, the slow pan over Faramir's face in the Cave, remembering the victory in Osgiliath, and his father's cold attitude.<P>And you can also see the emotional conflict on his face when he says "Then [my life] is forfeit" towards the end. That scene, after knowing what I know about the EE material, really impressed me. It's almost a BETTER character coming out of Faramir, rejecting his opportunity to redeem himself to his father. Almost made me cry, but nothing makes me cry.<P>So I think that, while the book is better by far, the movie edition is still more understandable after the EE stuff comes through, and you see the stuff with Denethor. __________________ Eagerly awaiting the REAL Return of the King - Jesus Christ! Revelation 19:11-16

09-13-2003, 04:20 AM	#47
Elentári_O_Most_Mighty_1 Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Up a tree somewhere in Caras Galadhon...or England Posts: 364	Hmm yes, I can't wait till the EE. Nothing makes me cry either...well at least I didn't cry in Pearl Harbor (oh man, it goes against the grain to miss out the 'u'...but hey) and all my friends labelled me heartless. But I did cry for three weeks in a row when the Forsyte Saga was last on... __________________ '"Forweg can lead you no longer; for he is dead...I slew him...I will govern this fellowship now, or leave it." "As it was when he joined us, so it is again. He kills to make room."'

07-28-2003, 05:47 PM	#42
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	I've heard (as I'm sure most of you have as well) that at least a bit more of Faramir will be explained. But that's just some little things that show us why he was so distrustful (& somewhat rude) to Frodo & 'his gardner'. That helps a bit, but I hope it reveals more about him.

07-28-2003, 09:05 PM	#43
Aure Guest Posts: n/a	I think that the Faramir in the book was much better because he was nicer to Frodo and Sam.

09-13-2003, 03:56 PM	#48
Blue_Punk_Dragon Guest Posts: n/a	book Faramir, no doubt in my mind about it.

09-13-2003, 05:02 PM	#49
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	Yeah, if any comments want to be added, that's fine by me, just as long as you know the poll is aready been done .

09-19-2003, 09:11 AM	#50
Balin999 Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2000 Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon Posts: 493	Book Faramir. <BR>I liked the Faramir in the book, and I hated that idiot in the movies. After the stupid things he did in the movies, the worst was his "wanna-be-tough" look of him.<BR>But then, this could be interpreted as poor Faramir having to show how much better he can do than his brother and therefore being under constant stress. Ha. __________________ ...Nichts ist gelber als Gelb selber... ...The opposite of courage in our society is not cowardice, but conformity... ...Everything is possible, except to ski through a revolving door...

09-19-2003, 10:11 AM	#51
samrohan Wight Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Touring Minas Tirith with Gimli and Legolas Posts: 107	The actor in the film was very good, perfect for the role. But what PJ made him do is frightfull, much too much artistic license. His role deviates too much from the book, therefore from the reality...... __________________ I can't believe I have not watched the return of the king yet.

09-19-2003, 12:18 PM	#52
Elentári_O_Most_Mighty_1 Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Up a tree somewhere in Caras Galadhon...or England Posts: 364	From the reality? Hate to break it to you people, but Middle Earth's history is actually <I>fiction</I>...or is it?? <P>Awww Estel, can't you update your poll??? __________________ '"Forweg can lead you no longer; for he is dead...I slew him...I will govern this fellowship now, or leave it." "As it was when he joined us, so it is again. He kills to make room."'

09-19-2003, 05:28 PM	#53
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Awww Estel, can't you update your poll???<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <P> Not for awhile at least.<p>[ September 19, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

09-19-2003, 06:23 PM	#54
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Awww Estel, can't you update your poll??? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>What's the point? Clearly, unless you agree with my (some would say twisted) logic that Book Faramir worked best in the Book and Film Faramir worked best in the Film, Book Faramir will continue to win hands down. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!