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The Only Real Estel · 07-06-2003, 12:23 PM

I've heard many people say how any of the scenes showing the Uruk-Hai being 'bred' are their least favorite parts in either movie. These people say it was gross. My question is: If you had to show the Uruk-Hais being 'bred', how would you do it, presuming that you HAD to include a visual of the Uruks being bred? Perhaps in a few weeks I'll post who I think had the best solution to this 'problem'. [ July 08, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

Arwen Imladris · 07-06-2003, 12:48 PM

I just wouldn't show that part! But hey, it is Peter Jackson! He had to use up some of his horror gore somewhere right? It was gross but I bet it could have been far worse. I'd rather complain about the changes to Faramir, Arwen and the ents myself.

Eruwen · 07-06-2003, 02:10 PM

Seeing what the scene was, I thought they did it in the most...modest way possible, I guess if that's how it would be explained. It wasn't very gross, and I think they did a fine job of making it as real as possible without taking away from the integrity of the movie. So I wouldn't have done it any other way really. I can't complain.

The Only Real Estel · 07-06-2003, 02:20 PM

I certainly didn't have a problem w/ it. I think they did a good job..

Lalaith · 07-06-2003, 05:41 PM

Call me old-fashioned, but I would have used something called 'a script'.Legolas, say, or Gimli, after some skirmish, might exclaim, "What new creation of the dark are these? They seemed like Orcs,but they are stronger, bigger..." Gandalf "Saruman is breeding a new army of Uruk Hai. They say..." (and here a look of horror crosses his face) "that he is crossing Orcs with Men..." The viewer can use his imagination for the rest...

peonydeepdelver · 07-07-2003, 11:01 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Legolas, say, or Gimli, after some skirmish, might exclaim, "What new creation of the dark are these? They seemed like Orcs,but they are stronger, bigger..." Gandalf "Saruman is breeding a new army of Uruk Hai. They say..." (and here a look of horror crosses his face) "that he is crossing Orcs with Men..." The viewer can use his imagination for the rest... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>But Lalaith, you know what they'll be imagining... I know what you guys mean though. But maybe PJ didn't even have to explain. He could have just had Gandalf say something like, "Saruman's new army is stronger and faster. They can move beneath the sun, blablabla..." and he wouldn't even have to mention the Orc/human thing.

Ophelia · 07-07-2003, 11:10 AM

Maybe they could have found them in cabbages like my parents found me ( ) or a really big storck could gbring them if those too sesitive people can't take these scenes ? I liked it if to be honest . It was really orcish

Ophelia · 07-07-2003, 11:12 AM

So sorry for that "gbring" but I hope you are grown up enough to understand that word .

The Only Real Estel · 07-07-2003, 04:00 PM

Actually guys there already is a dialouge scene like that in Rivendell: Gandalf: "His treachery runs deeper then you know..." Elrond: (Eyebrows go down FURTHER!) Gandalf: By foul craft Saruman had mixed orcs with goblin men, he's breeding an army in the caverns of Isengard. One that can run in daylight ( more or less ), & cover great distances with speed. Saruman is coming for the Ring!"

Lalaith · 07-08-2003, 07:34 AM

Estel, I didn't remember that scene, but I'm sure you're right. "Foul craft" is a good phrase... But it would have been more memorable if Gandalf had explained something at a time when they were actually faced with the Uruks. Peony, that's exactly my point! In terms of effective horror, the things people would imagine from that dialogue are actually nastier than the slimepit scene that was shown, and also more psychologically subtle. The slimepit was a bit childish I thought.

The Only Real Estel · 07-08-2003, 02:01 PM

I think a visual was in order though. You don't want the movie-goers imaginations to wander TO far. You can actually end up with a MUCH worse looking mental picture if you're not careful. So, Lalalith, if you had to included a visual, what would you have in mind?

Daisy Brambleburr · 07-13-2003, 07:16 AM

I didn't have any problems with that scene. But then, I'm not a squemish person. If you think about it, it could have been a lot worse...

Olorin · 07-13-2003, 11:51 AM

I honestly didn't think it was so bad.

Sauron 666 · 07-13-2003, 02:13 PM

I liked the scenes that show the breeding of the Uruk Hai, its interesting and any time you can give screentime to Christopher Lee is something you should strive to achieve, and scnes of Uruk Hai breeding aren't half as abhorrent as scenes with Liv Tyler in them

Silmiel of Imladris · 07-13-2003, 09:01 PM

I didn't mind them either. It actually helped me understand what they were up against better because when I read the Fellowship I didn't get much out of it because some of the names of things confussed me. I am better at reading the books now because I know what everything is and an elvish dictionary is a great help.

The Only Real Estel · 07-15-2003, 01:34 PM

They didn't bother me either.

elfearz1 · 07-15-2003, 07:20 PM

I never really thought about it until right now

07-06-2003, 12:23 PM	#1
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	Then how would you do it? I've heard many people say how any of the scenes showing the Uruk-Hai being 'bred' are their least favorite parts in either movie. These people say it was gross. My question is: If you had to show the Uruk-Hais being 'bred', how would you do it, presuming that you HAD to include a visual of the Uruks being bred? Perhaps in a few weeks I'll post who I think had the best solution to this 'problem'. <p>[ July 08, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

07-06-2003, 12:48 PM	#2
Arwen Imladris Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a box with a fox Posts: 1,347	I just wouldn't show that part! But hey, it is Peter Jackson! He had to use up some of his horror gore somewhere right? It was gross but I bet it could have been far worse. I'd rather complain about the changes to Faramir, Arwen and the ents myself. __________________ "Wake up! Wake up! Wake up, sleepies, we must go, yes, we must go at once."

07-06-2003, 05:41 PM	#5
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Call me old-fashioned, but I would have used something called 'a script'.<P>Legolas, say, or Gimli, after some skirmish, might exclaim, "What new creation of the dark are these? They seemed like Orcs,but they are stronger, bigger..."<BR>Gandalf "Saruman is breeding a new army of Uruk Hai. They say..." (and here a look of horror crosses his face) "that he is crossing Orcs with Men..."<BR>The viewer can use his imagination for the rest... __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

07-07-2003, 11:01 AM	#6
peonydeepdelver Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alas, I hail from Massachusetts Posts: 256	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Legolas, say, or Gimli, after some skirmish, might exclaim, "What new creation of the dark are these? They seemed like Orcs,but they are stronger, bigger..."<BR>Gandalf "Saruman is breeding a new army of Uruk Hai. They say..." (and here a look of horror crosses his face) "that he is crossing Orcs with Men..."<BR>The viewer can use his imagination for the rest... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>But Lalaith, you know what they'll be imagining... I know what you guys mean though. But maybe PJ didn't even have to explain. He could have just had Gandalf say something like, "Saruman's new army is stronger and faster. They can move beneath the sun, blablabla..." and he wouldn't even have to mention the Orc/human thing. __________________ "Nazgul, Nazgul! You speak of what is deep beyond the reach of your muddy dreams, Ugluk! Nazgul! Ah! All that they make out! One day you'll wish that you had not said that. Ape! You ought to know that they're the apple of the Great Eye." ~Grishnakh

07-07-2003, 11:10 AM	#7
Ophelia Wight Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: somewhere between the sacred , silence and sweet . Posts: 169	Maybe they could have found them in cabbages like my parents found me ( ) or a really big storck could gbring them if those too sesitive people can't take these scenes ? <BR>I liked it if to be honest . It was really orcish __________________ I didn't lose my mind . It was mine to give away .

07-06-2003, 02:10 PM	#3
Eruwen Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 892	Seeing what the scene was, I thought they did it in the most...modest way possible, I guess if that's how it would be explained. It wasn't very gross, and I think they did a fine job of making it as real as possible without taking away from the integrity of the movie. So I wouldn't have done it any other way really. I can't complain.

07-06-2003, 02:20 PM	#4
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	I certainly didn't have a problem w/ it. I think they did a good job..

07-07-2003, 11:12 AM	#8
Ophelia Wight Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: somewhere between the sacred , silence and sweet . Posts: 169	So sorry for that "gbring" but I hope you are grown up enough to understand that word . __________________ I didn't lose my mind . It was mine to give away .

07-07-2003, 04:00 PM	#9
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	Actually guys there already is a dialouge scene like that in Rivendell:<BR> Gandalf: "His treachery runs deeper then you know..."<BR> Elrond: (Eyebrows go down FURTHER!)<BR> Gandalf: By foul craft Saruman had mixed orcs with goblin men, he's breeding an army in the caverns of Isengard. One that can run in daylight ( more or less ), & cover great distances with speed. Saruman is coming for the Ring!" <BR>

07-08-2003, 07:34 AM	#10
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Estel, I didn't remember that scene, but I'm sure you're right. "Foul craft" is a good phrase... But it would have been more memorable if Gandalf had explained something at a time when they were actually faced with the Uruks. <P>Peony, that's exactly my point! In terms of effective horror, the things people would imagine from that dialogue are actually nastier than the slimepit scene that was shown, and also more psychologically subtle. <BR>The slimepit was a bit childish I thought. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

07-08-2003, 02:01 PM	#11
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	I think a visual was in order though. You don't want the movie-goers imaginations to wander TO far. You can actually end up with a MUCH worse looking mental picture if you're not careful. So, Lalalith, if you had to included a visual, what would you have in mind?

07-13-2003, 07:16 AM	#12
Daisy Brambleburr Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 334	I didn't have any problems with that scene. But then, I'm not a squemish person. If you think about it, it could have been a lot worse... __________________ 'What news from the South, O sighing wind, do you bring to me at eve? Where now is Boromir the Fair? He tarries and I grieve.'

07-13-2003, 11:51 AM	#13
Olorin Wight Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Where the sun sails and the moon walks. Posts: 155	I honestly didn't think it was <B>so</B> bad. __________________ Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then don't be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.

07-13-2003, 02:13 PM	#14
Sauron 666 Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 59	I liked the scenes that show the breeding of the Uruk Hai, its interesting and any time you can give screentime to Christopher Lee is something you should strive to achieve, and scnes of Uruk Hai breeding aren't half as abhorrent as scenes with Liv Tyler in them __________________ Ash Nazg Durbatuluk Ash Nazg Gimbatul Ash Nazg Thrakatuluk Arg Burzum-Ishi Krimpatul

07-13-2003, 09:01 PM	#15
Silmiel of Imladris Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Looking into a crystal ball- still see nothing Posts: 395	I didn't mind them either. It actually helped me understand what they were up against better because when I read the Fellowship I didn't get much out of it because some of the names of things confussed me. I am better at reading the books now because I know what everything is and an elvish dictionary is a great help. __________________ Legolas 20 ales later: I feel something, a slight tingling in my fingers. I think it's affecting me. Figwit on his name: Are you suggesting that I have the wit of a fig?

07-15-2003, 01:34 PM	#16
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	They didn't bother me either.

07-15-2003, 07:20 PM	#17
elfearz1 Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 259	I never really thought about it until right now __________________ I didn't eat Merry, i just ate his waistcoat!-Horse maidens dream 915/920 miles. On my way to Lothlorien! ^^Elfearz^^