Shelob's sting & Frodo's mithril coat - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Iarhen · 01-26-2004, 06:21 PM

This has been bothering me...How can PJ explain this? How could Shelob's sting penetrate Frodo's mithril coat, when the Cave troll in Moria was not able to even make him bleed with his spear?Continuity mistake?

Finwe · 01-26-2004, 06:45 PM

It's explained in great detail in this thread: <A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=002585" TARGET=_blank>Branded in the Tower of Cirith Ungol?</A>

Gashberz · 01-26-2004, 11:38 PM

yeah but still its MITHRIL!!!! You cant pentrate that stuff....

Lyta_Underhill · 01-27-2004, 12:14 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>yeah but still its MITHRIL!!!! You cant pentrate that stuff....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> As I postulate on the thread that Finwe has so kindly linked above, it doesn't have to penetrate it. If Shelob attacks from above and front, then she can get around the vest from the top. I don't think she could penetrate it straight through, but she could probably divert it by a proper angle of attack. In the book, the wound is at the back of the neck, which also is unprotected by mithril. It just goes to prove Murphy's Law in Middle Earth (at least with regards to Frodo and injuries)! Cheers! Lyta

Kransha · 01-27-2004, 06:55 AM

I always figured that she stung him abovethe neckline of the vest. That scene was particularly weird for me because, even though the very concept of a giant spider is fantastic, the movie-makers mixed up his anatomy.For a spider, the stinger is in the front and the spinarette in the back were Shelob's stinger was. The really strange thing is, in one of the movie books I saw, there is a picture of Shelob with the right anatomy, even though it's a movie picture.Hmmm...I obviously nitpick too much for my own good. I'm starting to wonder how many PETA lawsuits PJ is going to have on his hands after Shelob's abuse at the hands of mean ol' Samwise Gamgee. A paradox indeed.

Finwe · 01-27-2004, 11:18 AM

If PETA cares about spiders that big, then I'll eat my embroidered bedroom slippers! Once you get to a certain size, especially if you're a spider, you do NOT need to be taken care of my PETA!

01-26-2004, 06:21 PM	#1
Iarhen Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Laurelindorenan Posts: 225	Shelob's sting & Frodo's mithril coat This has been bothering me...<P>How can PJ explain this? How could Shelob's sting penetrate Frodo's mithril coat, when the Cave troll in Moria was not able to even make him bleed with his spear?<P>Continuity mistake? __________________ "In place of a Dark Lord you will have a Queen! Not dark but beatiful and terrible as the Dawn! Treacherous as the sea! Stronger than the foundations of the Earth! All shall love me and despair!" --- Galadriel when tempted by the One Ring.

01-26-2004, 06:45 PM	#2
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	It's explained in great detail in this thread: <P><A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=002585" TARGET=_blank>Branded in the Tower of Cirith Ungol?</A> __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

01-26-2004, 11:38 PM	#3
Gashberz Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: San Diego, U.S.A Posts: 57	yeah but still its MITHRIL!!!! You cant pentrate that stuff.... __________________ "We are the fighting Uruk-hai! We slew the great warrior. We took the prisoners. We are the servants of Saruman the Wise, the White Hand: the Hand that gives us man´s flesh to eat!" -Uglúk

01-27-2004, 12:14 AM	#4
Lyta_Underhill Haunted Halfling Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: an uncounted length of steps--floating between air molecules Posts: 841	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>yeah but still its MITHRIL!!!! You cant pentrate that stuff....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> As I postulate on the thread that <B>Finwe</B> has so kindly linked above, it doesn't have to penetrate it. If Shelob attacks from above and front, then she can get around the vest from the top. I don't think she could penetrate it straight through, but she could probably divert it by a proper angle of attack. In the book, the wound is at the back of the neck, which also is unprotected by mithril. It just goes to prove Murphy's Law in Middle Earth (at least with regards to Frodo and injuries)! <P>Cheers!<BR>Lyta __________________ “…she laid herself to rest upon Cerin Amroth; and there is her green grave, until the world is changed, and all the days of her life are utterly forgotten by men that come after, and elanor and niphredil bloom no more east of the Sea.”

01-27-2004, 06:55 AM	#5
Kransha Ubiquitous Urulóki Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The port of Mars, where Famine, Sword, and Fire, leash'd in like hounds, crouch for employment Posts: 747	I always figured that she stung him <I>above</I>the neckline of the vest. That scene was particularly weird for me because, even though the very concept of a giant spider is fantastic, the movie-makers mixed up his anatomy.<P>For a spider, the stinger is in the front and the spinarette in the back were Shelob's stinger was. The really strange thing is, in one of the movie books I saw, there is a picture of Shelob with the right anatomy, even though it's a movie picture.<P>Hmmm...I obviously nitpick too much for my own good. I'm starting to wonder how many PETA lawsuits PJ is going to have on his hands after Shelob's abuse at the hands of mean ol' Samwise Gamgee. A paradox indeed. __________________ "What mortal feels not awe/Nor trembles at our name, Hearing our fate-appointed power sublime/Fixed by the eternal law. For old our office, and our fame," -Aeschylus, Song of the Furies

01-27-2004, 11:18 AM	#6
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	If PETA cares about spiders that big, then I'll eat my embroidered bedroom slippers! Once you get to a certain size, <I>especially</I> if you're a spider, you do NOT need to be taken care of my PETA! __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.