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Dimannûnien · 01-13-2003, 02:58 PM

I just read in another thread that Peter Jackson paid homage to Back to the Future and The Birds in scenes in FOTR and TTT. Spot any others? I would say the scene in FOTR where Frodo is about to leave in the boat and he saves Sam from drowning is a direct reference to Jane Campion's The Piano.

HCIsland · 01-14-2003, 12:16 PM

The "birds" reference is obvious, but where is the homage to "Back to the Future"?Couple of things that reminded me of other films in TTT. I don't know if they were diliberate or not.When Gandalf, Aragron, Legolas and Gimli ride into Edoras, there is a shot where Eowyn sees them from afar. It immediately struck me as "The Good, The Bad and The Ugly". I half expected that whistling music too.When Frodo, Sam and Gollum are looking over the crest onto the Black Gate we see Southron's marching in. I don't know if it was the composition of the shot or the uniforms or both, but I flashed to "The Wizard of Oz" where they are looking at the entrance to the Wicked Witch's castle. I kept waiting for "oh-eeee-oh-ee-ohhhh-oh".I guess it's just me. H.C.

Dimannûnien · 01-14-2003, 01:16 PM

The ref. to Back to the Future is apparently in the infamous shield surfing scene.

HCIsland · 01-14-2003, 01:21 PM

Ahh...I know a specific homage in Fellowship was during Bilbo's party speech. When he is calling out the names of the various clans and says, "... and Proudfoots", there comes the reply, "Proudfeet!" from the reclining, smoking hobbit. That shot is a specific homage to the animated LoTR. PJ copied the composition exactly.H.C.

**The Saucepan Man** · 01-14-2003, 06:21 PM

Great call, HC. I knew I had seen it somewhere before. It is quite nice that Jackson paid homage to the Bakshi film, since the sequel never saw the light of day.

01-14-2003, 06:37 PM

I think the Back to the Future homage was Legolas slinding down the stairs at Helm's Deep on a shield. It was like he was on a hoverboard or skateboard. The music that is playing while he does that seemed to have a Back to the Future connection as well.The Wizard of Oz like scene by the Black Gate jumped out at me also.

HCIsland · 01-14-2003, 06:51 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Great call, HC. I knew I had seen it somewhere before. It is quite nice that Jackson paid homage to the Bakshi film, since the sequel never saw the light of day. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I would love to take credit for spotting this all by my lonesome, but PJ himself talks about it during the commentary in the special edition.H.C.

**The Saucepan Man** · 01-16-2003, 04:35 PM

It might just be me, but ...Theoden (pre-Gandalf Exorcism) reminds me of the old man with the green top hat (Sergeant Pepper?) in "Yellow Submarine" - with all those "old man" type grunts... and Frodo's "They're here" in Osgiliath is surely staright out of "Poltergeist" - why did he say "they" when we only see one of them... and talking of the Exorcist, perhaps they should have had Theoden's head spinning round complete with projectile pea soup in the scene with Gandalf.

mollecon · 01-16-2003, 05:06 PM

& having Theodén masturbating with a crucifix too, perhaps?

doug*platypus · 01-17-2003, 06:56 AM

Nazgûl vs PoltergeistGood call, Saucy, that phrase really jumped out at me the first time I heard it. I haven't even seen Poltergeist, but I recognised the phrase. I think that such an overt/obvious reference as that is a bit on the ridiculous side, especially as you point out there is only one Nazgûl. "They" might be the Ringwraith and his mount, but I think it's pretty obvious that it was a homage. Low-key ones like Back to the Future (was it that low-key?) are one thing, but maybe PJ should worry about making the movie stand up on its own without having stupid little gadgets like that. Waste of time he could have better spent on the script.

Neferchoirwen · 01-17-2003, 09:16 AM

I saw a tiny glimpse of another movie homage, but I couldn't put my finger on it, exactly. But I had The Good The Bad and The Ugly in mind as well...

Neferchoirwen · 01-17-2003, 09:27 AM

Oh, and the orcs marching into Helm's deep with their sheilds propped up that way reminded me of The Gladiator.

Nieninque · 01-19-2003, 04:56 PM

I saw it again today, and I didn't catch the Back to the Future theme... it sounded just like a faster-tempo version of the 'heroic theme' from FotR (the "duh, duh, duh-duh, duhhh" when the Fellowship has just left Rivendell and is going over the hill and the camera focuses on each of them). I like the Exorcist part, very cool and creepy.

greyhavener · 01-20-2003, 03:19 PM

Maybe it was just us, but when Sam gave that earnest, emotional speech at the end of the Two Towers, my kids and I were all whispering under our breaths "Rudy...Rudy...Rudy."

Tigerlily Gamgee · 01-20-2003, 03:24 PM

Well there is the one Elf at Helm's Deep that does a Star Wars type yell as he falls off of the wall. Also, the part where Saruman and Wormtongue are out on the ledge is very Star Wars-esk as well.

Lalaith · 01-20-2003, 03:50 PM

Actually, Saruman viewing his troops reminded me of "Be Prepared" in the Lion King, with Scar and his hyenas.

doug*platypus · 01-21-2003, 06:17 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> the part where Saruman and Wormtongue are out on the ledge is very Star Wars-esk as well. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> How so? I don't get it!

Lily Bracegirdle · 01-21-2003, 09:09 PM

When Frodo fell into the Black Marsh and those dead elves were swirling around him in the water I had a flashback to the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark. I was expecting Frodo's head to melt!Why was that scene made? It seemed gratuitous.-Lily

Laialthriel · 01-21-2003, 10:21 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> the part where Saruman and Wormtongue are out on the ledge is very Star Wars-esk as well. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>How so? I don't get it! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>There are a couple different places in the different Star Wars movies where you could apply that. My first thought was when Obi-Wan and the Kaminoans are overlooking the Clones. But it would more be associated in the end of Ep. II when Palpetine is overlooking his new army. A little more evil and forboding. *Laial*

Tigerlily Gamgee · 01-21-2003, 10:28 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>But it would more be associated in the end of Ep. II when Palpetine is overlooking his new army. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That's the part I was thinking of. It also helps that Christopher Lee was also in that movie

Anardil · 01-22-2003, 12:05 AM

Actually, that scene with Saruman reviewing his troops reminded me of a certain Austrian corporal, famous for his supercharged oratory. The orcs were in seemingly perfect order, chanting and stepping in time, while Saruman harangued them: "A new power is rising!" Not that I minded the comparison, though. I thought it was very appropriate.

Vorrothiel · 01-22-2003, 05:36 AM

The scene in FoTR, where the hobbits hide from the black rider under the tree root is taken right out from the animated LoTR...

01-22-2003, 07:48 AM

Are you sure that it isn't just related to this image from John Howe, who just happened to be one of the production designers for the films? [ January 22, 2003: Message edited by: Ultimatejoe ]

01-13-2003, 02:58 PM	#1
Dimannûnien Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 36	Paying homage to other movies I just read in another thread that Peter Jackson paid homage to Back to the Future and The Birds in scenes in FOTR and TTT. Spot any others? <P>I would say the scene in FOTR where Frodo is about to leave in the boat and he saves Sam from drowning is a direct reference to Jane Campion's The Piano.

01-14-2003, 12:16 PM	#2
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	The "birds" reference is obvious, but where is the homage to "Back to the Future"?<P>Couple of things that reminded me of other films in TTT. I don't know if they were diliberate or not.<P>When Gandalf, Aragron, Legolas and Gimli ride into Edoras, there is a shot where Eowyn sees them from afar. It immediately struck me as "The Good, The Bad and The Ugly". I half expected that whistling music too.<P>When Frodo, Sam and Gollum are looking over the crest onto the Black Gate we see Southron's marching in. I don't know if it was the composition of the shot or the uniforms or both, but I flashed to "The Wizard of Oz" where they are looking at the entrance to the Wicked Witch's castle. I kept waiting for "oh-eeee-oh-ee-ohhhh-oh".<P>I guess it's just me. <P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

01-14-2003, 01:21 PM	#4
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	Ahh...<P>I know a specific homage in Fellowship was during Bilbo's party speech. When he is calling out the names of the various clans and says, "... and Proudfoots", there comes the reply, "Proudfeet!" from the reclining, smoking hobbit. That shot is a specific homage to the animated LoTR. PJ copied the composition exactly.<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

01-14-2003, 06:21 PM	#5
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Great call, HC. I knew I had seen it somewhere before. It is quite nice that Jackson paid homage to the Bakshi film, since the sequel never saw the light of day. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

01-14-2003, 06:37 PM	#6
goblue Guest Posts: n/a	I think the Back to the Future homage was Legolas slinding down the stairs at Helm's Deep on a shield. It was like he was on a hoverboard or skateboard. The music that is playing while he does that seemed to have a Back to the Future connection as well.<P>The Wizard of Oz like scene by the Black Gate jumped out at me also.

01-14-2003, 01:16 PM	#3
Dimannûnien Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 36	The ref. to Back to the Future is apparently in the infamous shield surfing scene.

01-14-2003, 06:51 PM	#7
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Great call, HC. I knew I had seen it somewhere before. It is quite nice that Jackson paid homage to the Bakshi film, since the sequel never saw the light of day. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I would love to take credit for spotting this all by my lonesome, but PJ himself talks about it during the commentary in the special edition.<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

01-16-2003, 04:35 PM	#8
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	It might just be me, but ...<P>Theoden (pre-Gandalf Exorcism) reminds me of the old man with the green top hat (Sergeant Pepper?) in "Yellow Submarine" - with all those "old man" type grunts<P>... and Frodo's "They're here" in Osgiliath is surely staright out of "Poltergeist" - why did he say "they" when we only see one of them<P>... and talking of the Exorcist, perhaps they should have had Theoden's head spinning round complete with projectile pea soup in the scene with Gandalf. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

01-16-2003, 05:06 PM	#9
mollecon Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 188	& having Theodén masturbating with a crucifix too, perhaps?

01-17-2003, 06:56 AM	#10
doug*platypus Delver in the Deep Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 960	<B>Nazgûl vs Poltergeist</B><P>Good call, Saucy, that phrase really jumped out at me the first time I heard it. I haven't even seen Poltergeist, but I recognised the phrase. I think that such an overt/obvious reference as that is a bit on the ridiculous side, especially as you point out there is only one Nazgûl. "They" <I>might</I> be the Ringwraith and his mount, but I think it's pretty obvious that it was a homage. <P>Low-key ones like Back to the Future (was it that low-key?) are one thing, but maybe PJ should worry about making the movie stand up on its own without having stupid little gadgets like that. Waste of time he could have better spent on the script. __________________ But Gwindor answered: 'The doom lies in yourself, not in your name'.

01-17-2003, 09:16 AM	#11
Neferchoirwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: RtR: 483.3 miles, Fords of Bruinen Posts: 512	I saw a tiny glimpse of another movie homage, but I couldn't put my finger on it, exactly. But I had <I>The Good The Bad and The Ugly</I> in mind as well... __________________ On really romantic nights of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. ~Speed Levitch http://crevicesofsilence.blogspot.com/

01-17-2003, 09:27 AM	#12
Neferchoirwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: RtR: 483.3 miles, Fords of Bruinen Posts: 512	Oh, and the orcs marching into Helm's deep with their sheilds propped up that way reminded me of <B>The Gladiator</B>. __________________ On really romantic nights of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. ~Speed Levitch http://crevicesofsilence.blogspot.com/

01-19-2003, 04:56 PM	#13
Nieninque Haunting Spirit Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: East Bight Posts: 67	I saw it again today, and I didn't catch the Back to the Future theme... it sounded just like a faster-tempo<BR>version of the 'heroic theme' from FotR (the "duh, duh, duh-duh, duhhh" when the Fellowship <BR>has just left Rivendell and is going over the hill and the camera focuses on each of them). I like the Exorcist<BR>part, very cool and creepy. __________________ ----- Legolas: A red sun rises in the East. Blood has been spilt this night. Aragorn: Goddamn elf's talking to himself again! I'm surrounded by weirdos...

01-20-2003, 03:19 PM	#14
greyhavener Wight Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: austin Posts: 169	Maybe it was just us, but when Sam gave that earnest, emotional speech at the end of the Two Towers, my kids and I were all whispering under our breaths "Rudy...Rudy...Rudy." __________________ Do justly, love mercy, walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8

01-20-2003, 03:24 PM	#15
Tigerlily Gamgee Hostess of Spirits Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Meduseld Posts: 1,055	Well there is the one Elf at Helm's Deep that does a <I>Star Wars</I> type yell as he falls off of the wall.<BR>Also, the part where Saruman and Wormtongue are out on the ledge is very <I>Star Wars</I>-esk as well. __________________ ~ ExerciseJunky.com (Hobbits fitness of choice!)~ ~Lady of Rohan: An Eowyn Fansite ~ ~The NEW/OLD Barrow Downs Photo Page~

01-20-2003, 03:50 PM	#16
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Actually, Saruman viewing his troops reminded me of "Be Prepared" in the Lion King, with Scar and his hyenas. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

01-21-2003, 06:17 AM	#17
doug*platypus Delver in the Deep Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 960	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> the part where Saruman and Wormtongue are out on the ledge is very Star Wars-esk as well. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>How so? I don't get it! __________________ But Gwindor answered: 'The doom lies in yourself, not in your name'.

01-21-2003, 09:09 PM	#18
Lily Bracegirdle Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bree Posts: 210	When Frodo fell into the Black Marsh and those dead elves were swirling around him in the water I had a flashback to the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark. I was expecting Frodo's head to melt!<P>Why was that scene made? It seemed gratuitous.<P>-Lily __________________ "But nay: the praise of the praiseworthy is above all rewards." - Faramir

01-21-2003, 10:21 PM	#19
Laialthriel Animated Skeleton Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wherever my mind has currently taken me Posts: 48	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> the part where Saruman and Wormtongue are out on the ledge is very Star Wars-esk as well. <BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>How so? I don't get it! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>There are a couple different places in the different Star Wars movies where you could apply that. My first thought was when Obi-Wan and the Kaminoans are overlooking the Clones. But it would more be associated in the end of Ep. II when Palpetine is overlooking his new army. A little more evil and forboding. <P><BR>Laial __________________ "Let us run with patience the race that is set before us." --Phil 3:14 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~* "All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us." --Gandalf the Gray

01-21-2003, 10:28 PM	#20
Tigerlily Gamgee Hostess of Spirits Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Meduseld Posts: 1,055	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>But it would more be associated in the end of Ep. II when Palpetine is overlooking his new army. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>That's the part I was thinking of.<BR>It also helps that Christopher Lee was also in that movie __________________ ~ ExerciseJunky.com (Hobbits fitness of choice!)~ ~Lady of Rohan: An Eowyn Fansite ~ ~The NEW/OLD Barrow Downs Photo Page~

01-22-2003, 12:05 AM	#21
Anardil Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 33	Actually, that scene with Saruman reviewing his troops reminded me of a certain Austrian corporal, famous for his supercharged oratory. The orcs were in seemingly perfect order, chanting and stepping in time, while Saruman harangued them: "A new power is rising!" Not that I minded the comparison, though. I thought it was very appropriate.

01-22-2003, 05:36 AM	#22
Vorrothiel Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 14	The scene in FoTR, where the hobbits hide from the black rider under the tree root is taken right out from the animated LoTR...

01-22-2003, 07:48 AM	#23
ultimatejoe Guest Posts: n/a	Are you sure that it isn't just related to this image from John Howe, who just happened to be one of the production designers for the films? <p>[ January 22, 2003: Message edited by: Ultimatejoe ]