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05-12-2020, 10:06 PM | #1081 |
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Looking back on the last few minutes to see where my head's at gives me a pool of Lommy, Brinn, and Pitch. Based on prior QTs, it's entirely possible I'll wake up, see how everything has gone, and be shruggy about any wagon that isn't one of those three.
It feels like Zil is a bit of a meme at this point. Like, he hasn't really been on my radar, I recall agreeing with a couple of things he had to say, but I feel like literally everyone else suspects him (I recall seeing several versions of "And Zil, he's just been suspicious all game, I don't need to go into detail here") which is how I kinda feel the Huin and Lhuna QTs went, to a certain extent, so it wouldn't surprise me to see him be QT'd and a wolf, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. I feel a bit at odds with the entire village in terms of who I suspect, to be quite frank. But I got G55 and Rikae correct, so I'm taking this game as a personal win regardless.
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05-12-2020, 10:07 PM | #1082 |
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Hm, I lied. I'd be decidely un-shruggy about a Greenie or Lottie wagon. Don't let me wake up to that.
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05-12-2020, 11:34 PM | #1083 |
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Ok, just able to check in quickly, and thought it would be useful to have a list of all votes. Will hopefully have time to analyse when I wake up.
Good people are italicized and Evil people (or an Evil-dominated/equal-but-with-evil-tiebreaker QT) bolded. Day 1 Lhuna -> Lhuna Rikae -> Brinniel G55 -> Rikae Boro -> Pitchwife Urwen -> G55 Pitchwife -> Brinniel (2) Kath -> G55 (2) Shasta -> Pitchwife (2) Kitanna -> Pitchwife (3) Inzil -> G55 (3) Lottie -> G55 (4) Greenie -> Macalaure THE Ka -> Brinniel (3) Eönwë -> Urwen Rune -> Brinniel (4) Lommy -> G55 (5) Huines -> G55 (6) Legate -> Brinn (5) Macalaure -> Brinn (6) Brinniel -> G55 (7) ---G55 Fake Ranger Reveal--- Sally -> Brinn (7) Reminder: while G55 is evil, because she's the Cobbler she and the Infectors didn't know who each other were at this point. Day 2 Lommy -> Macalaure Kath -> Inzil Lhuna -> Lommy Macalaure -> Lommy 2 QT -> Brinniel Greenie -> Macalaure 2 Legate -> Huinesoron Huinesoron -> Macalaure 3 Rune -> Loslote Kitanna -> Huinesoron 2 THE Ka -> Loslote 2 Pitchwife -> Huinesoron 3 Loslote -> Huinesoron 4 Sally -> Macalaure 4 Inzil -> Macalaure 5 Lalaith -> Huinesoron 5 Brinn -> Huinesoron 6 Boro -> Mac 6 Eönwë -> Huinesoron 7 Shasta -> Mac Day 3 THE Ka -> Sally QT -> Brinn Eönwë -> Sally 2 Kath -> Inzil Greenie -> Sally 3 Lommy -> Sally 4 --- Sally Hunter reveal--- Inzil -> Brinn 2 Lottie -> Sally 5 Lalaith -> Sally 6 Legate -> Sally 7 Shasta -> Sally 8 Brinn -> Sally 9 Rune -> Inzil 2 Boro -> Sally 10 Pitch -> Eonwe Day 4 Lhuna -> Eönwë Eönwë -> Boro QT -> Lhuna Inzil -> Lommy Lottie -> Boro 2 Greenie -> Zil The Ka -> Lhuna 2 Pitchwife -> Eönwë 2 Lalaith -> Lhuna 3 Lommy -> Lhuna 4 Rune -> Eönwë 3 Kath -> Lhuna 5 Shasta -> Lhuna 6 Boro -> Eönwë 4 Brinn -> Lhuna 7
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Pitch replies, 'Explain' in post #1015, and then you returned an answer in #1020. Came across it while catching up on yesterDay's events.
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05-13-2020, 01:04 AM | #1086 | ||
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05-13-2020, 05:23 AM | #1087 | ||
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I suspected Pitch early on, and his following Lhuna's vote yesterDay does look a bit sketchy. That would be pretty bold if they were mates, though. Lommy looks better for her Lhuna vote at a critical time, but I can't discount spontaneous wolf-on-wolf, with the knowledge that there would still be three of them left. Quote:
Lommy I've certainly suspected, but Boro has been an enigma the whole time. I seem to remember him acting like this before, but it's been to long to recall the circumstances.
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05-13-2020, 05:53 AM | #1088 |
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So much I'd like to do today, but I'm running out of time. So...let's see if I'm better at prioritizing than mental lists.
Disclaimer: Not discounting the possibility of wolf-on-wolf, but there's still 3. The normal amount for a village. Don't get cocky, yet. I'm pleasantly surprised that our lynches haven't caused a complete melt down. There was a hiccup with sally that really gave us nothing. Stay the course and focus on the non-Lhuna voters: Eonwe >>> Boro Point in favor was his vote for Huey to tie the knot. He's been consistently suspicious of me, but I'll have others take a look at his vote if they so desire. This came before the QT vote was known, so he might have changed if not having to vote early. Inzil >>> Lommy Remarks that was an interesting choice from the QT, but not his top choice. Votes Lommy to make it a 4 way tie with me, Eonwe, Lhuna and Lommy. Definitely a suspicious early vote. I wasn't opposed to putting more people into the pot yesterday, but in addition to the poor choice, quickly dismissive of the QT. Lottie >>> Boro I get this vote, but will have others take a look at it if they so desire. Not a major fan of her methods, but can't deny they work well for her and just because someone takes the road less travelled doesn't mean we don't eventually reach the same destination. Greenie >>> Inzil I believe this made the count: Boro - 2, Lhuna - 1, Lommy - 1, Inzil - 1, Eonwe - 1. Additional spreading of the pot, which was pinged by Pitch. But if a wolf, trying to save Lhuna I would think she would have begun to consolidate the vote. Could have put me further in the lead, for example. After Greenie's vote it starts to consolidate between Eonwe and Lhuna. Pitch >>> Eonwe He notes my comment about not wanting to limit ourself to just 2 choices today makes him not want to vote for me. Votes Eonwe, despite not liking to do so because he was away. Seems to disregard the QT vote. Suspicious. This made a 3 way tie between me, Lhuna, and Eonwe Rune >>> Eonwe At this point Lhuna was at 4, Eonwe 3. However, Rune and Lommy (for Lhuna) voted at the same time. So when making his vote the count was Lhuna 3/ Eonwe 2. Suspicious, looks like an attempt to save Lhuna. Kath and Shasta then voted for Lhuna to put it out of reach I believe. I tacked on a vote for Eonwe, just because he was an unknown and my preferred choice had already had her fate sealed. So, for the QT my proposted vote... +-Rune
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05-13-2020, 05:53 AM | #1089 |
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Hello? Eeriely quiet here! I mean, I guess it could be a welcome change in this game, but I'm a bit uneasy. We have the most data so far, we could coordinate something with the qt, but nothing is happening.
I'll make a list to sort my thoughts a little: Leaning innocent Lottie and Pitch - still think them innocent for previously stated reasons, and just when I started having second thoughts about them, Greenie's analysis goes and makes them look better. Eh, still not really suspecting them. Greenie - I was wary of her for a long time, but she has come off as more genuine for the last couple of Days. Also I like her list and I think it would have been a crazy endeavour from a wolf. (It's already crazy from an innocent, but if you add to gathering the facts the effort of presenting them in a light that would hopefully benefit her fellows and make a few innocents look shady? Craazy. I say she deserves at least one Day's pass ) Rune - as I said, Legate's death and Lhuna's denial of my conclusions about it make him look very innocent. Leaning wherever they want apparently Brinn and Boro - this game has weirdly warped around both, especially Brinn, still neither of them has gotten even close to getting lynched despite having been under fairly heavy suspicion. I am hesitant to suspect them because they are too "obvious" choices and I feel a bit like both have been "used" by other players in this game, but I don't really have anything to back that up. Both of them also voted late enough yesterDay not to make a difference, and have made several other potentially wolfy votes in the past (for example on Day2). Kath - nothing makes me suspect her in particular, but I think she usually plays a little more in her own bubble when a wolf, and she's been increasingly doing that. Her Lhuna vote yesterDay came when she was already on the lead, which makes it relatively meaningless. Certainly someone that deserves far more scrutiny than she's getting. Shasta - hm. I kinda like how he thinks outside the box, but I certainly don't like how he leaves voting for the last minute every time and fails to leave any kind of trail that way. Also, he seems to be flying under the whole village's radar. Why hasn't basically anyone suspected him so far? Leaning guilty Zil - to be quite honest, I'm not as sure as I used to be. I kinda relate to him and his misguided zeal, and in any case I can hardly judge that. Still, there's still a wealth of incriminating facts against him, and Greenie not finding anything to dispute the possibility of him being fellows with Huine and Lhuna certainly doesn't help. So: despite the almost staggering evidence, I'm not convinced Zil is a wolf, but I wouldn't forgive myself if I let Zilwolf waltz into victory after how much I have been on his trail. Eönwë - he's just not sitting right with me in this game at all. Granted, I could be a little blinded by his persistent suspicion for me which makes very little innocent sense from my pov, but he just sounds fake to me most of the time and he keeps concentrating on things I personally find trivial. Also I see Greenie didn't find anything decisive about him, and I still find the implications of Lalaith's death about him a little concerning. Yes, it's possile the wolves really only caught onto Lalaith's words about Kitanna and Legate, and Eönwë just happens to be an unfortunate innocent she heavily suspected (but then: why not "dream" of Legate instead of him on N4?). But I would say it's about as likely that a wolf pack including Wolfwë thought there was seerish intent in how Lalaith tried to recruit others behind her Eönwë case. THE Ka - I've said for a few Days now that how she seems harmless by operating in her own "bubble", posting content but steering clear from controversial topics, is very alarming to me and reminds me of her past wolfy self. Plus, her Lhuna vote from yesterDay has a bit of the vibe of a wolf voting in a way that would make her look good (following the qt, staying clear of the "likely" lynch candidates who have been under fire that Day ie me, Zil and Boro - especially if we happened to all be innocent) and simply not expecting a bandwagon to form in her footsteps. Parting commentary: About Greenie's analysis which I'm using to help myself: yes, she could be a wolf twisting the facts to her own liking, but I doubt she's lying about anything (that would be somewhat unsporting and unwise). So it's her conclusions one should be wary of. Usually this kind of analyses get a lot of stuff right but there usually is at least one member of the wolf pack who turns out to be one of the "no way would this be fellow wolves with known wolf x". So I'm using Greenie's conclusions and taking them with a pinch of salt. Also good to remember she didn't understandably analyse herself, and who knows what we'd find there. (If memory serves, she and Huine scarcely mentioned each other, and she and Lhuna didn't greatly suspect each other at least. Potentially quite wolfy, I daresay.) About my analyses of the last two kills: It's entirely possible I'm reading the wolf kills' posts more thoroughly than the wolves themselves have. After all, in a village of this size, if they're debating between several kill choices, would they have the time to go through all their posts from Day1 onwards? Maybe, but also maybe not. Not a reason to discredit my findings, but a thing to keep in mind. edit: xed with Zil and Boro - yay, signs of life!
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05-13-2020, 05:55 AM | #1090 |
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It'll be some time before I can make it back but I intend to take more detailed look at THE Ka, Kath, and Greenie today.
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05-13-2020, 06:09 AM | #1091 |
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The QT can whack my head for saying "we should coordinate something with the qt" repeatedly, yet taking no initiative on that. In my defense, I really do hate theoretical speculation and prefer to use my time and energy analysing Night kills and/or votes. Or plain poking at people.
But okay, I think the least we can do is to give the qt pointers about how we might want to lynch toDay, like Boro just did. Since it looks pretty quiet here, I have spent some time on the Night kill and making a list (including a quick look at yesterDay's votes while making that), I might retreat for a little while. On Monday I spent most of my waking hours playing werewolf (did I mention I'm temporarily unemployed until June 2nd? ), and to be honest, I don't have the stamina to repeat that today. So, I'll be off for a few hours at least, and I'll make a mock vote if it helps the qt: +-Eönwë but I could as well go for +-THE Ka or +-Inziladun.
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05-13-2020, 06:33 AM | #1092 |
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Lommy makes a good point about giving the QT some warning about what we're up to. Right now I'm still most inclined to go
+- Inzil, with THE Ka a strong runner-up. I wouldn't actively mind Eonwe, Shasta, Brinn or Kath either. -- RL sidenote: further joys of lockdown life - my back is worse than it has been for years, so my capacity to sit in front of a computer is somewhat compromised today. I'll do my best to pop in, but don't expect lengthy posts
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05-13-2020, 06:58 AM | #1093 | ||
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05-13-2020, 06:58 AM | #1094 |
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I can sort of see the case against Steve, but then again he did give the go-ahead vote to Huey.
If voting right now, it would probably be +-Brinn I still haven't shaken the bad vibe, the fact that Rikae gave her a vote and was taken out that Night, and the fact that many known innocents have voted for her, whereas no known wolves have (excepting the not-to-be-trusted QT vote when they had an evil majority). And she did give Huey a key vote, but still... x/d with Pitch
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05-13-2020, 07:00 AM | #1095 | |
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In her Lalaitholysis Lommy say the following regarding Lalaith's view on Eönwë::
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05-13-2020, 07:29 AM | #1096 | |
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Greenie is one of the people I have had such a hard time reading. Until this post hadn’t gotten bad vibes from her, and perhaps a few posts where she came off reasonable if nothing else. This post alone makes me feel very good about Greenie. It is not just that I like the style in which it is craftet and that it is very informative. Most importantly it does not feel contrived, and at no point do i get the feeling that she tries to stretch her conclusions further than what the evidence can support them. Possibly you could say that she goes to the limit with her suggestion that Ka might have calculated with Lhuna being a target, but I think she stays within what is reasonable. If someone can point out glaring omissions in Greenie's version of events, or places where she bends the facts or interprets too freely, then I will of course reconsider. Right now, this just feel to genuine to be the work of a wolf. EDIT: I only quotet the start of her post as it was too long to include. |
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So! 2 wolves down! And the QT made an excellent showing of themselves, too. YesterDay, quite a few people put down their planned vote options long before the QT vote had to be made. Is that something we want to do again toDay on the assumption that it did help?
Just looking at Lhuna's posts form yesterDay again in light of the lynch ... and in not such a rush as yesterDay! Post 862 - she had made a list: Likely innocent: Lottie - Hui vote, trying to stop sally taking her as a Hunter pick Pitch - Hui vote, believing sally so voting Eonwe to save her Bad: Eonwe - voting record Lommy - attitude towards sally Shasta - Mac vote, flipflopping on sally Boro - holding his vote, flipflopping on sally Should look more closely: Brinn - votes come at end of successful bandwagons Rune - voting Inzil out of the blue Greenie - voted for two known innocents She stated that she was looking at people who she noted from the voting patterns, and didn't mention the following: Kath, Inzil, Lalaith, THE Ka I think from this post, one thing that stands out to me is that her reasoning behind finding Shasta 'Bad' and Boro 'Bad' is pretty similar. I'm wondering if one of them is a wolf, and she's matching an innocent to them with the same reasoning to confuse the issue. Given the Day 1 vote for herself and then the picking at Kit which got a lot of attention, Lhuna doesn't seem to have played as a wolf afraid of a bit of controversy. Naming a fellow wolf in her 'Bad' list doesn't seem out of character. Quote:
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Brinn says she could vote for Lhuna but would rather vote Inzil. Shasta says he'd probably vote Lommy. THE Ka looked into Lhuna and Lommy debating whether the wolves killed Legate because they thought he was the Seer, and picking out Rune as an innocent/suspect. She concludes Lhuna comes out of that the more suspicious and votes for her. This is the first vote for Lhuna since the QT vote. Lhuna -> Eönwë Eönwë -> Boro QT -> Lhuna Inzil -> Lommy Lottie -> Boro 2 Greenie -> Zil THE Ka -> Lhuna 2 This ties Lhuna with Boro. Quote:
Pitch votes Eonwe. Lal votes Lhuna. Lommy votes Lhuna. Rune votes Eonwe. This puts Eonwe at 3 while Lhuna is at 4. I vote Lhuna. Shasta votes Lhuna. Boro votes Eonwe. Brinn votes Lhuna. So it was Shasta's vote that decided it. Had he voted Eonwe instead, and then Boro still voted Eonwe, Brinn would have had the deciding vote. I'm sorry, this was supposed to be a look at just Lhuna's posts, but turned into more of a train of thought through the Day. It also took a while! The last post I saw before starting was 1090.
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05-13-2020, 08:23 AM | #1098 |
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If I were to vote right now I would probably go for Inzil
+-Inziladun I know I am sounding like a broken record, but my secondary choices would be Brinn and Eönwë. The people I suspect the least at the moment is Pitch, Greenie and Shasta. My good feeling of Shasta I must admit are not based on anything particular save not getting bad vibes and not seeing anything obviously incriminating. |
05-13-2020, 08:59 AM | #1099 |
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Not quoting, I'm on my phone, but Boro's analysis of Inzil's vote yesterday is probably the first thing I can cognitively latch onto and go "hmm, that's a good point, maybe he is suspicious."
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Greenie #346 : Hui voting to save Brinn too open for a wolf defending a packmate Hui #354 : Greenie looks like saying we should ignore the Night kill as implicating Brinn: 'This is the sort of reasoning I'd expect to see in a legitimate Brinn analysis'; Greenie does good work on actual reasons why Brinn might be suspicious Hui #417 : defends Greenie against Mac: 'The fact remains that his case against Greenie relies heavily on 'this is exactly how I’d expect a Green wolf to act'.' Based on these interactions alone, I wouldn't rule them out as packmates, although most of it could just be Huiwolf buddying up to innocent Greenie looking for an ally. If Brinn is another wolf, #346 could be an attempt at damage control. On D2 Greenie voted before the Huiwagon got rolling, so nothing to conclude from that. Past experience has taught me to be para-, er, apprehensive of a possible Greenwolf who could sail through endgame to victory while smelling clean as a lily, so I'm wondering whether I'm seeing points against her through a magnifying lens just to be on the safe side. I agree with Rune that her diligent and balanced analysis in #1057 is unlikely to be the work of a wolf (and like Lommy said, why would she put so much effort into something that doesn't benefit the pack?). Full disclosure: Eönwë, Shasta and Greenie hinge on each other in my mind to some degree. As far as I can tell, Shasta's suspicion of me goes back to a D1 comment where I called Eönwë's list agreeable (for which I now got the bill) while failing to say the same about Greenie - which in turn has made me more wary of letting Greenie slip through.
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So for the whole Lhuna thing, I suspected her but it was more like a few random points and a generic vibe thing, rather than having multiple good reasons to suspect her (like with my top suspect Inzil). So I was not at any point really opposed to lynching her, but there was an undercurrent of hesitation about making decisions on flimsy grounds. I did become a bit more certain about her when I had the time to quickly look at your, Boro's and Brinn's analyses about her. The whole whether to follow the QT's choice was really a whole another kettle of fish. If the QT had voted for someone I did not suspect very much, I wouldn't have followed their vote. But since they voted for someone I did suspect, it was one factor that made me pick her over my other suspects (some of whom I suspected more). I'm considering acting with the same logic toDay, by the way. It seems prudent to me to let their choice affect but not dictate your own voting. Quote:
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Btw random point aboout Shasta that I keep thinking about everytime I see his signature: I'm not sure what to make of the fact neither his votes nor the wolf kills have had in any way psychic vibes so far. Did the ww break kill his famous powers?
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05-13-2020, 09:43 AM | #1103 |
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I'm thinking back to my suspicions the last few Days. Inzil and Lhuna have been top, and pretty much for the same reasons around their behaviour with Kit and the ensuring Ranger debacle.
Then Eonwe as well as he got involved with it all, but then quickly backed off it and berated people the following Day for bringing it up, even though he had been involved. Votes: Inzil voted G55 Day 1, Mac Day 2 (putting Mac ahead of Hui in the tally), Brinn Day 3 (post-reveal), Lommy Day 4 (post QT vote) Pushed Mac into the lead over Hui, but then didn't vote him the following Day. Eonwe voted Urwen Day 1, Hui Day 2 (if he hadn't voted, and Shasta had, it would have been Mac lynched), sally Day 3 (pre-reveal), Boro Day 4 (pre QT vote) After being quite the key player in the Hui lynch, Eonwe has then voted very early in the proceedings since. If a wolf, might be a safe move after throwing a packmate under the wagon. While looking at Eonwe's very helpful vote summary for that, it keeps being said that Shasta is holding his vote frequently. Brinn and Boro are in the same boat with that. And Brinn's votes were key for the G55 lynch (self preservation but it was the deciding vote) and the Hui lynch (put Hui ahead of Mac) but then more following the crowd for sally and Lhuna.
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05-13-2020, 09:46 AM | #1104 |
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Hey, I called out G55 and Rikae correctly D1! And there was only one Cobbler to find!
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05-13-2020, 09:49 AM | #1105 |
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Greenie I see, but connecting Eonwe to me feels like a bit of a stretch. He's hovering around the same place Inzil is, where I haven't dug in there, and I've agreed with one or two of the things he's said, but a bunch of other people suspect him so it wouldn't shock me if he ended up being a wolf. With the added caveat that he hammered Huin over Mac.
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(Apologise in advance for the long post, have been trying to catch up since 7:30 my time)
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This whole exchange has me curious now, including in mind Shasta’s post #1040 about ‘holding votes is pivotal’. At the end of the exchange, Pitch’s reply sounds genuine, because it is: Quote:
Either an attempt to try and see if Pitch will give a different answer and thus, more evidence why, or to try and bring it back into the spot light to push? If it’s a build suspicion attempt, we’ve seen several over the last few Days and players are wary of them, so this could be concluded as a risky move. Otherwise, they either didn’t spot where Pitch had replied to this same question or had forgotten. Suspicious still, but that could just as much be a villager’s mistake by oversight. As for the ‘when to vote’ concern comparatively Pitch in #933 agrees with Lommy over Zil on voting earlier to help the QT (which was innocent majority at that point) and help GT innocents: Quote:
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Pitch, as they’ve admitted before, regret not voting earlier with the Eonwe vote and later in post #933 agrees with not leaving the votes last minute to help GT analysis. This follows consistent and in post #971, gives an early vote as others had discussed to help out of +-Eonwe. Later in #1030, Pitch votes Eonwe (making a second vote to Eonwe at that point), noting that he had some hesitation given Lhuna’s earlier vote for them as well, but does so consistent to what he had said earlier over others agreeing to spread the votes and not wait for right before DL. Regardless of vote and how the QT vote went, out of the Eonwe voters this paints Pitch in a much more genuine and consistent light. There is little to no flip flopping near the middle or end of a bandwagon that might be considered suspicious of wolf trying to appear invested and hide at the same time, nor is there a habit of throwing a bunch of suspicion posts out at players and seeing what sticks and going for it. All in all between the two, this speaks more to Pitch’s innocence. As for Shasta, it’s interesting to watch their pattern before voting when it comes to reactions to both Eonwe’s lists and then later, Rune’s suspicion of Eonwe. In post #1005, Shasta quotes Eonwe’s list, but gives a non-commited judgement saying there are parts they agree with in the ranking and others they’re confused about: Quote:
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Rune later in post #1028 votes Eonwe, stating that they will not have time to return before DL. This at least, still appears to be meeting the earlier sentiment of others on avoiding last minute votes before DL and spreading for analysis. A vote for Eonwe is also consistent to Rune’s suspicions on them in previous game Days. Shasta then in post #1031 notes that Lhuna, Pitch, and Rune have made a ‘counter wagon’ to the Lhuna one and voices mistrust. Shasta later goes on to vote Lhuna, making it the 6th vote for them and stating that another wagon they prefer is likely not going to come along. This is fairly consistent of Shasta voting later on but runs counter to other players that Day wanting to aim for more beneficial earlier votes in order to spread them and avoid hiding places for wolves. Looking back at these exchanges, I can’t for these arguments find Rune or Pitch that suspicious for their votes. Yes, they didn’t choose Lhuna, but then again, in context of their previous suspicions, Lhuna was not either high up on their list of candidates or there. Honestly it appears they were trying to remain consistent with what evidence they had and trusted and go with that, than trying to throw suspicion around and see what stuck to make something to stand on for their arguments. I really don’t see wolves being this dedicated to sticking to an argument when there are other ones that are much more convenient to hide in or push. Out of the three, I’m growing more and more suspicious of Shasta and how their interest will defensively spike around others looking at Eonwe. x'ed with Rune, Zil, Pitch, Kath, Lommy, etc...
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I caught up just in time to have to hop on Zoom meetings until just before the QT deadline. I might be able to pop in here and there, but in case I end up super busy and can't post:
@Cuties: +- Ka +- Zil
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05-13-2020, 10:28 AM | #1109 |
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Ooh, forgot I hadn't done this in my earlier post.
+-Inzil or +-Eonwe And I'd like to take a closer look at Brinn and Shasta if time permits.
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05-13-2020, 11:03 AM | #1110 |
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I can't put 'Cuties' because then I think of everyone as a bag of clementines...
For the QT (because I forgot in my novel there before...):
+-Shasta
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05-13-2020, 11:05 AM | #1111 |
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Okay, hot take - Ka is evil. Potentially with Eonwe, based on her last stuff.
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I find it interesting that first Pitch says there's a Greenie-Eönwë-Shasta connection, then I agree about Greenie-Eönwë and Greenie-Shasta but not Shasta-Eönwë, then Shasta himself chimes in and says him-Greenie maybe but not him-Eönwë, and lo what happens? Ka posts a long analysis heavily pointing at Shasta-Eönwë, which Shasta quickly retailiates to by suspecting Ka-Eönwë. Something is very furry in here...
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The second time I mentioned it, it had already been blown wide open, so I mostly thought it would be good to discuss how it made Shasta look. Also, generally, I'm not sure actually sure if the Kit discussion is actually as suspicious people make it sound (I know there have been mixed opinions on this). Harmful to the village, yes, but suspicious? I'm not so sure. Other than Zil who first pointed it out (which may have been in attempt to lure how out more if he's evil), discussion of something that looks weird seems more likely to be something innocent would do, because wolves know that any kind of slip by a non-wolf is not a wolf-slip (and thus a gifted-slip), and have the Night to discuss it. Quote:
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Again, my time is limited, but I've been reading posts in between my normal workday.
For what it's worth, if I were to vote now, I would vote +-Inzil. And to a lesser extent +-The Ka.
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