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03-20-2017, 04:53 PM | #1 | ||
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Who on middle-earth is Lotho?
Whenever I would read "The scouring of the Shire" It would leave me frustrated thee way the characters talk about Lotho, as if he was some sort of well established antagonist.
I would always be left thinking, "I must have missed or forgotten the introductory passages", but for some reason I would never rifle back through the book to find these (imaginary) passages. The following is the introduction we get in Book 1: Quote:
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I guess we are supposed to remember that he is evil by association..? Do you remember what your initial reaction was? "Lotho who?" or "Of course Lotho Sackville-Baggins you scoundrel, I wonder what a sandy-haired villain like you is up to!" Considering how important Lotho is for the faith of the Shire, it kind of annoys me that we hear nothing about him until the very end. |
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03-20-2017, 05:57 PM | #2 |
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Yes, the general unpleasantness of the Sackville-Bagginses and specific misdeeds of Lotho seem to have been treated as known by the hobbits. Maybe it's just a matter of Tolkien thinking he didn't want to be too detailed about the Shire goings-on during the great events of the War.
After all, he was concerned during initial drafts of the first chapters of what would become LOTR that the tale had "too many hobbits". It seems the reader is told just enough to know Lotho was a bad apple as far as hobbits went.
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03-21-2017, 03:12 AM | #3 | |
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Ted Sandyman is clearly an unpleasant person, and we see enough of him in the initial chapters in order to remember him when we return to the Shire. It would probably have been too obvious if Lotho had suffered a similar fate. Another Hobbit clearly targeted as a bad person in the initial chapters, and then, lo and behold, also turns out a villain in the end. One of the elements in Tolkien's writing that I really like, is the references to a broader world, references without proper explanation (after all that is what we have the appendix and a ton of subsequent publications for). However here it seems like he is asking a lot of the reader. I mean, why not give Lotho a bit of back story, like Lobelia and Otho? Even just one story about an alteration between him and Frodo/Merry/Pippin, would have relieved my of my confusion in the scouring of the shire. |
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03-21-2017, 06:28 AM | #4 |
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Well, Pippin refers to him as "Lotho Pimple", and Sam expresses a desire to "punch his pimply face". Perhaps Lotho was initially ostracized for his un-hobbitlike acne and disliked parents, and that led to his ready acceptance of Saruman's influence. A tragic case of rebellion against society's unfairness!
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03-21-2017, 06:40 AM | #5 |
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I dunno, I think I did remember Lotho way back when, but then I have an uncanny memory for names (as long as they're real, proper characters in a book, preferably Elvish, and not something absurd like remote in-laws, neighbours down the street or colleagues from another department). I suppose it helps that his name is just his parents' names squeezed together, and since Lobelia left a pretty memorable impression I just filed him as "Sackville-Baggins, The Next Generation". That's pretty much all he is, more an extension of his parents' combined unagreeability (is that a word?) than a character in his own right.
I had a vague hope that Lotho might have been mentioned in Flotsam and Jetsam when the hobbits discuss their find of Shire tobacco in Isengard, but no such luck. Would have been a nice opportunity to foreshadow Lotho's part. Could there have been something in the drafts which got revised out in the final version? Oh for a copy of HoME VIII...
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03-21-2017, 08:56 AM | #6 | |
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I have no issue with Lotho being a very background character - and he is so throughout, cause we never actually see him in the end either, and really he's just Saruman's puppet, so we don't know how much of what we hear about him is actually him. What does bother me, though, is how quickly the hobbits jump to the conclusion that Lotho is at the bottom of the problems even before they reach the Shire. Is he that unpopular that he outdoes every other unpopular hobbit? He can't be the only bad apple in the bunch (and we know he isn't - look at Ted Sandyman!). Why do they decide it's Lotho's fault before they even know what exactly is happening?
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03-21-2017, 09:28 AM | #7 |
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Let's not forget that Tolkien was entirely capable of winging it, without much regard for what he might or might not have written before. Most of the "lore" of Middle-earth was ret-conned afterwards, after all. And sometimes he didn't bother; Lotho suddenly became an intermediate villain at the end of the book because the biook demanded an intermediate villain (entirely offstage- Lotho of course is never met, being dead and all). At least Lotho made an appearance in the opening chapters, whereas Rose Cotton is never mentioned at all until the Scouring (I will very grudgingly give Jackson a brownie point for working Rosie into the beginning of FR, which T should have but didn't).
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03-21-2017, 10:20 AM | #8 | |
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On a different note, it also wondered why the returning Hobbits did not go and consult Farmer Maggot when they discovered that mischief was afoot... How lucky they found a somewhat similar character in Farmer Cotton. |
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03-22-2017, 02:42 PM | #9 | |
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Similar right down to having the same number of letters in the name and a double letter in the middle...
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03-22-2017, 03:36 PM | #10 | |
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Well, Maggot (as far as we know) didn't have a daughter whom Sam happened to be sweet on, so...
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03-22-2017, 05:01 PM | #11 |
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Would have been quite a detour, and they were trying to reach Hobbiton as soon as possible.
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