WW: LXXXV - The Lost Philosophers of Maiar

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Skip

So Mac, you said you'd spell out why you find me so suspicious.

Rikae's computer is in repair, so we're sharing mine - I didn't get to yet. If you're still alive toMorrow, I will.

Too many people I suspect somewhat are suggesting Shasta, so I'd rather refrain from him.

Since Agan went for Pitch, I will most likely, too.

Legate's post is too big for me to read 10 minutes before deadline.

(back to Rikae)

(edit: Boro's post, not Legate's - my bad. No harm done, then. )

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Legate: lobster.

Okay, have to confess I didn't get that one either. Whatever...

(once again xed with everybody)

[Aganzir]

Thanks Boro. I guess this confirmed my suspicions. Will read it once the day ends.

wilwa - ed
Nessa - Legate
Agan - Pitch
Boro - Nessa

Left: ed, Mac, Shasta, Pitch, Rikae, Green, skip, Mänwe, Legate, Cailín?

[Aganzir]

And if you want your main suspect to die, vote now not at the last minute.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Mac

I didn't get to yet. If you're still alive toMorrow, I will.

Pretty confident you are alive toMorrow, huh?

[skip spence]

Agan is one I actually trust somewhat. Why Pitch? I've completely forgotten about him.

[A Little Green]

Mac or Skip, anyone? Serious second thoughts about Pitch here..

[elronds_daughter]

Okay. Adding to the pot. Really expected more votes by now...

++Pitch

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Thanks Boro. I guess this confirmed my suspicions. Will read it once the day ends.

Something like that. So, now having these hectic-before-DL-last-minute second thoughts about Pitch, seeing how people suspected him, but, ai ai. But no, probably I will leave it...

Edit: again xe-d with everybody

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

And if you want your main suspect to die, vote now not at the last minute.

I voted early, see I can be good and helpful.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

++skip

To put him up there. I don't really like the Elronhubbard vote or the Legate vote and I don't agree with the Nessa vote today.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Hey, you know what,

++Shasta

EDIT: once again crossposted since my last

[A Little Green]

I think I'm going with

++ Skip

Also, if Shasta is a wolf, I'll eat him for dinner. If I die during the Night, someone have a good look at Mac.


EDIT: bolding, x-ed with Legs

[Aganzir]

In case I'm not alive tomorrow I'd just like to remind you that if one innocent votes wrong, we lose. Yes we have the retractions but they might not be enough.

And the seer and/or the ranger should probably seriously consider coming out tomorrow. The ranger not so much though.

wilwa - ed
Nessa - Legate
Agan - Pitch
Boro - Nessa
ed - Pitch 2
Shasta - skip
Legate - Shasta
Green - skip 2

Left: Mac, Pitch, Rikae, skip, Mänwe, Cailín?

[Macalaure]

And now the votes are all over the place...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

For that matter, right now with the last-minute-second-thoughts I don't feel that bad about Pitch being lynched, but... well, toMorrow will show us.

Anyway, unless something drastic happens, if I am not alive toMorrow, I suggest really focusing on Cailín, folks.

EDIT: xed since my last, horrible indeed (the votes).

[Aganzir]

This is going to end badly.

[Mänwe]

Maintain the vote from yesterday.

++elronds_daughter

[Aganzir]

I wonder if I should retract and vote for skip... I don't really want any of the others to die.

[Pitchwife]

Aaaargh damn it.

++skip

[A Little Green]

Legate's post could have been written by me. Agan, cut the pessimism, we'll know in a minute. Well, two.

[Macalaure]

Shasta voting Skip is the tie-breaker between Skip and Pitch for me.

++Pitchwife

[Aganzir]

wilwa - ed
Nessa - Legate
Agan - Pitch
Boro - Nessa
ed - Pitch 2
Shasta - skip
Legate - Shasta
Green - skip 2
Mänwe - ed 2
Pitch - skip 3
Mac - Pitch 3

Left: Rikae, skip, Cailín?

[skip spence]

++Pitch

[Rikae]

++Pitch

Edit; was afraid I wouldn't have time to say this, keyboard bad: I've suspected him a while, doubted because I thought I saw something else, now think I didn't, though a bit worried about Agan starting this wagon.

[Aganzir]

So happy we don't have double lynches... Right Mac? Greenie?

Rikae & skip where are you?

edit: xed as you can see. Now I'm worried.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Don't like skip being lynched.

EDIT: okay, seems no need to... so?

[Boromir88]

--Nessa

++elrond's daughter

What the heck right?

[Mänwe]

Oh

[Nogrod]

Deadline.

You lynched Pitchwife... the cobbler.


Narration coming a bit later.


Night 5 is on, anyway...

[Nogrod]

Ea Herald – Narvinye 21, 7th age

Interestingly enough, what Melkor had foreseen did take place. Giving the Maiar the responsibility to actually kill the one they chose themselves clearly heated the debate. It was a “Day” of strong arguments and taking sides. And the lines seemed to go criss-cross, soon looking like the votes were going all around the place.

But finally it was clear it was Pitchwife who was going to be lynched.

Many of those facing death before had been brave and virtuous in front of the unthinkable doom laid before them, but Pitchwife was more like jubilant. Let’s hear the tape.


~*~

“Ha-ha! I made it! See! I made it!” Pitchie yelled and danced after Skip and Rikae gave their last votes. “It’s the happiest day of my life!”

“Has he gone completely mad?” Greenie asked Agan a bit troubled.

“What? A crab?” Legate was baffled overhearing it.

“No, a lobster, dummy.” Agan said trying to make the two quiet.

"A lob... okay, who cares." Legate muttered.

“Now I’m going to be called to the choir of the balrogs and I get to sing those awesome melodies! And hey…” Pitch looked around him, “Didn’t I have quite a nice timing, eh?”

“Okay, shut him up. I mean I’m really ready to kill him, right now.” Agan said annoyedly.

“But who should do it, and how? I’m ready to vote but I’m not too happy with these pointed and sharp objects.” Elronds daughter asked quite frankly.

“Well someone has to do the dirty work, I guess…” Macalaure said a bit disappointed and picked a giant axe from the floor.

“Rain it on me, let the skulls be splintered!” Pitchie laughed now aloud.

“Couldn’t we change the vote now, like for Ed, I’ll change mine?” Boro offered – but others had learned to not listen to him anymore after he had shown clear signs of becoming crazy during the Day as well.

“Shut up, very helpful indeed…” Greenie hissed to him.

“Are you mad everyone?” Skip burst and took a javelin from the flor, hurling it towards Pitch.

“Let’s finish this tomfoolery!” Rikae yelled and thrusted a long-sword into Pitchie’s stomach.

“Like you say…” Mac added and hammered the axe through Pitchie’s skull.

“I’m soo happy… I feel fine… Hey, I’m not dead… no I think I am…” Pitch had fallen on the floor and was now lying in a pool of his own blood.

“Do you think he went somewhere?” Mänwe asked quietly as the silence fell.

“I think he’s still here… well, there.” Shasta said pointing to the dead corpse.

“So what was it, what he was?” Nessa asked from behind the wall of onlookers.

“He was the cobbler, look at the darkness of the blood he has bled…” wilwa said in a bitter tone.

It was only now they were sure of it. Pitchwife was indeed the blood of the cobbler.



The living:


elronds_daughter - A spirit of no-nonsense
Macalaure - Carmótar, the Maia of housework
Shastanis Althreduin - A spirit of water
wilwarin538 - Belongs to Vána, cares for all the small garden dwelling, winged creatures
Nessa Telrunya - The patron of town criers across the world
Rikae - A spirit in charge of silicon & static electricity
Boromir88 - A Maia of Mandos, the interpretter of dreams
A Little Green - A spirit in charge of aliens, hummingbirds and farming
Skip Spence - A follower of Aule with an avid interest in behavioural sciences
Mänwe - A spirit of short acquintances
Legate of Amon Lanc - A Maia associated with the unfathomed depths of the world's seas but also with the waters surrounding Arda in the outer space...
Aganzir - Aka. Firebeck, a spirit of fire
Caílin - A spirit of secrecy



The dead:

Satansaloser2005 - (Innocent) A spirit of ducks, muffins and cookies; reduced to ashes and dust on D1.
Ozban – (Innocent) Yavanna's underling with inferiority complex. Caretaker of undergrowth and small bushes in general, especially blackberries; ripped to pieces, dried and unintentionally pulverized on N2.
Kath – (Innocent) A spirit of nostalgy; ripped to pieces, dried and unintentionally pulverized on N2.
Loslote - (Innocent) A spirit of sunshine and rainbows; melted down and turned into vapor on D2.
Kitanna - (Hunter) A spirit of all things unimaginative; committed a willful suicide on N3.
Thinlómien - (innocent) A maia who lives in Lórien and paints the dreams of those sleeping there; her destiny was buried with Utumno collapsing over her body on N3.
Valier - (Innocent) A handmaiden of Yavanna, collecting the morning dew from the petals of flowers; her destiny was buried with Utumno collapsing over her body on N3.
Inziladun - (Innocent) A vassal of Námo, serving as a warden in Mandos; cut in half and turned to stone by Sauron on D3.
Eomer of the Rohirrim – (Innocent) An associate of Ossë, speciality: lochs and ponds, great alliance with frogs; skinned, gutted and sank into his own blood on N4.
Blind Guardian –(Innocent) A spirit of evil ways; skinned, gutted and sank into her own blood on N4.
Pitchwife - (Cobbler) Tender of Oromë's dogs; killed by the Maiar on D4.


It is Night 5. The sleep is overcoming you...

[Nogrod]

“You know, I’ve been wondering about a thing lately…” ¤ said when they were scanning the spellbound Maiar around them.

“Yeah, haven’t we all?” @ said laconically.

“But I mean this thing!” ¤ protested.

“Which thing? The meaning of life, universe and everything? Or something more profound?” § chuckled.

“Oh cut it, I mean the thing we do and its’ consequences…” ¤ sounded a bit offended.

“Oh that one… Well what have you been thinking about it?” # tried to ease the feelings.

“Well… I mean, if we allow ourselves, for the argument’s sake, to toy with the possibility that we either really die at one point or then live for ever after as we should…”

“You figure there would be a third option?” § smirked.

“Knock it off §, let ¤ explain!” # put in.

“Yes, thank you. So what I said; does what we do in this life have any effect as to which one of the two is the outcome?”

“Like if we do a good job, then Melkor rewards us with great things and let’s us live – and if we do badly, then we die here? Didn’t he say that already in the beginning? Didn’t you pay attention to that?” @ asked a bit sarcastically.

“You could have just asked me if that was what bothered you “lately”.” § commented.

“I was not thinking about that!” ¤ protested again.

“So what then ¤? # was getting curious. “Like if Melkor doesn’t hold true to his word?”

“That wouldn’t be unheard of, thinking about his reputation…” @ commented, suddenly a bit more serious.

“Well, he’s our only bet. He keeps his word or not. And that’s it.” § said impatiently.

“Were you thinking of some other particular possibility ¤?” # asked.

“Like Nienor comes to cry over you and floods Melkor with her tears only to save your forsaken soul?” § laughed.

“Oh, cut it §! Let’s hear ¤?” @ hushed.

“Maybe Ilúvatar knows we are somewhere – even if he doesn’t know exactly where? So maybe, in the end of the days of this world, maybe He still is the one with the power to decide?” ¤ finally managed to form the idea that had been troubling xem so much.

There was a sudden silence when the idea went in. Even § was thinking.

“Just a minute…” # started finally. “So are suggesting, that whether one would live forever or not would be up to a whim by Eru?”

“Creating these mortal losers surely is a whim from the master-whimmer.” § leered.

“Well that was what initially made me think about the whole issue.” ¤ said calmly. “But I’m not sure it is just a question of whim… that’s why I was thinking about our deeds in life.”

“So like contrasting duties stuff: be successful in being bad and please Melkor with your deeds – and vice versa if you want to please Ilúvatar?” @ tried.

“And you don’t know which one to please? Now why don’t you? You serve Melkor and that’s it.” § commented, feeling the discussion was totally losing the reasonable tracks.

“I think I’m getting what you’re after ¤.” # said slowly, thinking heavily. “Like if Eru is the final power then it is his standards that will finally matter? In the very-very-very end?”

“That’s what I was kind of thinking.” ¤ nodded.

“But hey-hey, not so fast!” @ interrupted. “Why would our actions matter? Don’t they say Eru is the All-Good and all that? Why would there then be any requirements?”

“He could be a thought-police, you know… I’d not be surprised of something like that from his part.” § muttered.

“That’s a good point, indeed. But if not our actions, then what would determine our fates?” @ asked confused.

“Or do we have to conclude your initial set up for the question is wrong as there is no difference?” # continued.

“Like there is no real choice? Everyone either dies at the “very-very-very end” or then everyone just lives for ever after?” @ thought half-aloud.

“But if there are no consequences for your actions, then what’s all the fuzz about needing to be this or that? Why follow anyone’s orders?” § said and looked annoyed. "What's the point of it all then?"

“I’m getting seriously confused…” @ said looking like giving up.

“Maybe the point is to realize that conundrum and draw the right conclusions?” ¤ suggested carefully.

“Which have no bearing to whatsoever regarding your destiny? You must be completely mad…” § yelled.

“Okay, let’s look at this calmly now.” # suggested. “So you said that…”

“Wait a minute!” @ broke in, clearly agitated. “Listen… if Eru is the Almighty whose plans are even behind the deeds of Melkor like some of our mates here suggested earlier – that Melkor’s part in the music is just a part of a larger plan etc. – so where does that leave us? If he’s fair he can’t blame us of playing a part he has himself put upon us?”

There was an awkward silence.

“Even I understood that, but hey, we have work to do!” § said willing to stop the speculation.

"Or what does anything we think we choose matter in the first place?" ¤ said grimly. "That was the reason I started talking about the whole issue in the first place."

"Okay puppets, think whoever is the master on the strings..." § was clearly getting enough of the talk.

"We might need to think about this further... later." # said solemnly.


~*~

All the time during the discussion the treacherous Maiar had been using the diffrent utensils Sauron had left in to the corridor to finely slice and cube Elronds daughter and Shastanis Althreduin. Finding a deserted cauldron from one of the side-corridors they put the bits and pieces into it and worked a small fire under it.

The others awoke to the smell of a macabre stew.

On the top of the soup's surface there was a thin ball made of glass which had some oddly bright liquid in it. A gift of Ulmo it had been.

One of the dead had been the seer.

But who were the dead ones? It was impossible to say it from the stew. But after a short counting it was clear they were Ed and Shasta. After that it wasn't hard to make the connection with the Ulmo's ball to Shasta, a spirit of water.



The living:

Macalaure - Carmótar, the Maia of housework
wilwarin538 - Belongs to Vána, cares for all the small garden dwelling, winged creatures
Nessa Telrunya - The patron of town criers across the world
Rikae - A spirit in charge of silicon & static electricity
Boromir88 - A Maia of Mandos, the interpretter of dreams
A Little Green - A spirit in charge of aliens, hummingbirds and farming
Skip Spence - A follower of Aule with an avid interest in behavioural sciences
Mänwe - A spirit of short acquintances
Legate of Amon Lanc - A Maia associated with the unfathomed depths of the world's seas but also with the waters surrounding Arda in the outer space...
Aganzir - Aka. Firebeck, a spirit of fire
Caílin - A spirit of secrecy



The dead:

Satansaloser2005 - (Innocent) A spirit of ducks, muffins and cookies; reduced to ashes and dust on D1.
Ozban – (Innocent) Yavanna's underling with inferiority complex. Caretaker of undergrowth and small bushes in general, especially blackberries; ripped to pieces, dried and unintentionally pulverized on N2.
Kath – (Innocent) A spirit of nostalgy; ripped to pieces, dried and unintentionally pulverized on N2.
Loslote - (Innocent) A spirit of sunshine and rainbows; melted down and turned into vapor on D2.
Kitanna - (Hunter) A spirit of all things unimaginative; committed a willful suicide on N3.
Thinlómien - (innocent) A maia who lives in Lórien and paints the dreams of those sleeping there; her destiny was buried with Utumno collapsing over her body on N3.
Valier - (Innocent) A handmaiden of Yavanna, collecting the morning dew from the petals of flowers; her destiny was buried with Utumno collapsing over her body on N3.
Inziladun - (Innocent) A vassal of Námo, serving as a warden in Mandos; cut in half and turned to stone by Sauron on D3.
Eomer of the Rohirrim – (Innocent) An associate of Ossë, speciality: lochs and ponds, great alliance with frogs; skinned, gutted and sank into his own blood on N4.
Blind Guardian –(Innocent) A spirit of evil ways; skinned, gutted and sank into her own blood on N4.
Pitchwife - (Cobbler) Tender of Oromë's dogs; killed by the Maiar on D4.
elronds_daughter - (Innocent) A spirit of no-nonsense; sliced and cubed into a "hearty stew" between a discussion on theology on N5.
Shastanis Althreduin - (Seer) A spirit of water; sliced and cubed into a "hearty stew" between a discussion on theology on N5.


It is Day 5 now.

Salvation or damnation... it's up to you, more or less toDay.

[Aganzir]

Whoops.

[Cailín]

You are one brave man, Shasta.

I'm basing all my thoughts here on Shasta's post #460. Just quickly browsed his posts and this one stood out as hopefully leaving the most obvious clues:

Green

Legate
Aganzir
Rikae

Green-Yellow

Nessa
Wilwa
Cailin

Yellow

Skip
Elronhubbard
Mac

Yellow-Orange

Boro
Greenie
Pitch
Manwe

Red

None

From this I gather Shasta did not dream of a wolf, which is probably why he did not reveal. I am also prepared to accept Rikae, Aganzir and Legate (darn - I was sure he was evil) as Known Innocents, simply because there is no more tangible evidence than this and it gives me something.

That leaves

Macalaure
wilwarin538
Nessa Telrunya
Boromir88
A Little Green
Skip Spence
Mänwe

I realise for the rest of you innocents that this still leaves Cailín as an unknown factor as well. I made some bad calls (but believe me when I say that they were not easy votes - I knew with both Loslote and Inzil that they were likely to be hanged, and especially with Inzil I cast the deciding vote & was annoyed and frustrated when I saw that he was innocent after all). It was the best I could do and I am sorry. Like many of use, I hate to lose.

To a large extent it is still going to be a stab in the dark toDay. The Cobbler and the Wolves had maybe some idea of each other's identity, but nothing that could be 100% relied upon (unless someone has discovered clues in Pitch's posts - I must admit I did not read very carefully yet). At least now I have some people I can trust.

Going to read what happened yesterDay exactly now, then sleep, but will be around tomorrow.

[skip spence]

Okay.

That was bad (hey, at least we didn't lynch him this time!) and good (finally something tangible to work with).

And lynching the cobbler proved more productive than we could imagine, eh Boro?

Going to have a look at Shasta's posts...

[Aganzir]

Seems I get to continue my Shastanalysis after all...

DAY 1
Wishy-washy comments about Rikae and Pitch. Mac, Kit & I look good.
He says again he likes Mac but thinks he makes too big a deal of my post.
Legate looks good, agrees with him on Lottie. Votes Lottie.

Conclusion: Based on this I'd say he dreamed of Mac first. However he didn't list him as innocent later (unlike he did to me) so I'm not sure. I wouldn't be surprised about being Shasta's night 1 dream, but he did say I looked more like the cobbler. It's also possible he dreamed of Kit.

DAY 2
Doesn't like Legate. Wonders about wilwa (the tone seems innocent enough but could be deflecting attention from the sallywagon).
Boro's post is merely damage control.
Corrects Mac who had interpreted his words wrong - doesn't bring up the possibility he was trying to twist his words though.
List:

Feel good about -

Eomer - playstyle so far has been reminiscent of what I've seen an innocent-Eomer do.
Aganzir - While I'm looking at the Sallywagon, Agan's vote for her seems to be one of the least-wolfish of the lot, and she's brought up some well-reasoned points on others.
Cailin - Seems sharp and observant, no warning signs.
Rikae - Play is typical of ordo-Rikae, and I'd rather not lose her this early.
Mac - Hope I'm not giving him a pass because he sounds logical, but I really have no reason to distrust Mac at the moment.
Kitanna - Obvious.
Lommy - No warning signs as of yet, seems typical innocent Lommy.

--

Feel no-nonsense bad about -

Legate - His flipflopping hardcore on Inzil and his refusal to take a stance on anyone so far without qualifying it in some form or fasion makes me think he's a waffling wolf, especially since I also moderately suspect Inzil (distancing?). His reaction to Skip's joke is something I disagree with Agan on - I think it looked incredibly forced, and while that in itself wouldn't be a reason to suspect him, it certainly doesn't help matters.

Says he might not be opposed to lynching Greenie whom he can never read, but it's more of an example than suggestion to lynch her.
Votes Lottie because of lack of support for a Legate lynch.

Conclusion: It looks bad for Legate, but given his complete change of opinion on him the following day I don't think he dreamed of him. Shasta uses the word "see" when talking about Eomer.
I don't think he had dreamed of Mac (...at the moment) and Lommy (...as of yet). His comment on Rikae seems the most specific (ordo-Rikae etc).

DAY 3
Legate isn't as suspicious as he thought he was (elaborates: he suspected him mainly for 180-ing which is after all typical of him).
Votes for Inzil.

Conclusion: His night 3 dream couldn't have been anyone but Legate.

DAY 4
List:

elronds_daughter - Quiet. Second, after Manwe, on my list of "people Shasta will analyze today".
Macalaure - Intermediate. I've been giving him a pass thus far on the basis of his outspoken-ness. This needs to stop.
wilwarin538 - I honestly don't remember much of anything that's she's said or done in the last couple of days. This is a problem - she's slipping under my radar.
Nessa Telrunya - The wolf-frame-favorite, it seems. Lots of the talk the last few days has been about her, and thinking back, I don't recall her ever passionately defending herself. Contrary to what I said about Inzil yesterday, I'm not sure lynching her is the best option today.
Pitchwife - Under my radar. I need to have a closer look at him today.
Rikae - Interesting. A lot of what she's done has made me think she's being her typical wild-ordo self. As of right now I'm okay with her.
Boromir88 - Pinging my radar a bit. I need to go back and see exactly why, but I need to see more of him today.
A Little Green - I stand by the fact that I think she's being quieter than usual. Another one pinging my radar.
skip spence - A bit farther under my radar than I'd like. One I will be looking at today.
Manwe - Tops my list of 'players to analyze' today. I don't think anyone has paid much attention to him at all, and I don't like that.
Legate of Amon Lanc - I thought him suspicious in the beginning, but what I've seen since makes me think he's more innocent. A conundrum, but I think I'm okay with him right now.
Aganzir - Entirely too evil to be evil, if that makes sense. Possibly a cobbler, but I sincerely doubt she's a wolf. (More likely cobbler than innocent, though.)
Cailin - I like her style, but I'm afraid I may have been giving her a pass due to that. One I'll be looking at today.

Hasn't dreamed (too uncertain): wilwa, Boro, Green
Might have dreamed and found guilty (wants to analyse/look closer/etc): ed, Mac, Pitch, skip, Mänwe, Cailín
Might have dreamed and found innocent (semi-defense): Nessa
Dreamed innocent: Legate

Lists Legate, me and Rikae as green (Nessa, wilwa & Cailín are green-yellow). Boro, Green, Pitch & Mänwe are yellow-orange while no one is yet red.
Analyses Mänwe and says he's the first to enter his red category.
Analyses Cailín, doesn't see her as a wolf but she's worth watching.
Says he really wants to vote for Mänwe but could also go for skip or Boro.
Continues casting suspicion on Mänwe.
Nessa's vote post doesn't make him feel comfortable.
Is irritated by Mac's attitude.
Emphasises he doesn't feel like voting for Legate.
Votes for skip because doesn't agree with the ed & Legate votes and doesn't think lynching Nessa that day is a good idea.

I think Legate is pretty much clear now, and I would say Rikae is too. I'm tempted to say he dreamed of me too, but that's only because I know I'm innocent - he never said so explicitly.
Currently I think our best course is to lynch Mänwe. Shasta's case against him seemed fabricated in the sense that he interpreted everything Mänwe said wolfishly, and something must have tipped the wolves off.

[Macalaure]

11 people left, 4 of which are wolves. If we don't lynch a wolf toDay, it's 4 wolves and 4 innocents toMorrow, and we will have lost. Unless the ranger is lucky, of course.

Let's look at what the seer left us (typing while I read).

Day1: Makes positive remarks about me, Kitanna, Agan, and Legate, me twice. He definitely didn't find a wolf Night1, unless he completely keeps quiet about it.

Day2: He's after Legate a little. In his #252 list there's a host of people he feels good about, but only two he feels "no-nonsense" bad about - Legate and Aganzir. Strangely he lists Agan twice (adding "on" to the "bad Agan"). Is he hinting that Legate is dreamt of and evil while using Agan to make it less obvious to the wolves? He votes Lottie, but mentions he would have prefered Legate.

Day3:

Originally Posted by Shasta

Legate, after rereading, is not as suspicious as I thought he was. (Sorry!)

Obviously, he now dreamt of Legate and clears him unmistakably.
He's very eager to lynch Inzil or Nessa. We know Inzil is innocent, and most likely he dreamt of Legate the night before. Since he didn't mention Nessa much before, I doubt he knows she's evil. My guess is he wants to get rid of enigmas so he won't be forced to waste dreams on them. He also votes innocent Inzil - if he had dreamt of Nessa, he wouldn't have done that. (He also seems uncertain of Nessa the next Day.)

Day4: List in #459:
If he dreamt of anyone guilty, it has to be Manwe, as he's his first item on the analysis list. This might explain why he's dead, even though there was a fair amount of suspicion against him.
He lists me as intermediate, so probably he hasn't dreamt of me after all.
He doesn't list anyone as clearly unsuspicious. He's hiding his known innocent well here.
The Green-Yellow-Red list in #460 is clearer:
Legate, Aganzir, Rikae dreamt of and innocent.
He lists nobody as red, though. Maybe he hasn't dreamt of Manwe and his fourth dream is already dead? Did he think listing Manwe as sole prime suspect would be too obvious?
The conclusion of his Manwe analysis is very condemning, but he was very negative about Legate before, too. What sets the two cases apart though:

Originally Posted by Shasta

I think Manwe is the first person to enter my 'Red' category.

That's as plain as it has to be.
His Cailín analysis in inconclusive, which suggests that he did not dream of her and it's just a regular analysis.
He keeps on talking about Agan being the cobbler, which either means he hasn't dreamt of Agan after all (which means he hasn't necessarily dreamt of Rikae either).

Mänwe: known wolf.
Legate: known innocent.
.. would be my conclusion.

Cailín, you aren't even considering Mänwe - are you sloppy or evil?

[Macalaure]

Haha, reading Agan's quote of Shasta's first list, I see that he didn't list Agan twice - the line breaks were just that way on my screen.

Never mind.

[Aganzir]

I think Cailín's post looks bad. You don't base your opinions on just one of the seer's posts - if he wrote all his dreams there one under the other he would be extremely easy to catch. And if we lynch an innocent today we lose. It would be very convenient for Wolín to direct our attention away from Manwolf.

[Aganzir]

Mac he talked very differently of me and Rikae. The phrase "ordo-Rikae" comes up more than once.