Visit The *EVEN NEWER* Barrow-Downs Photo Page |
12-25-2002, 02:40 PM | #1 |
Animated Skeleton
|
Men in Valinor?
I just had a very quick question, and I did a search for this. So, I didn't find this, but I very well could have missed it. So if I did, I'm sorry.
I know that a few hobbits crossed over the sea, and (possibly) a dwarf, and many Elves, but, did any Men enter Valinor? I know this is sort of a dumb question, but I was just wondering, and I wasn't quite sure where to find the answer. Thanks! PS-Merry Christmas!
__________________
(*·.(*·.·¤·.·*).·*) «Luinėcolloien» (.·*(.·*·¤·*·.)*·.) |
12-25-2002, 02:45 PM | #2 |
Shade of Carn Dūm
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 252
|
well, beren did, tuor probably did, and earendil did(well the deemed him of the elvish race buuut)....and maybe a few more?
and then theres the whole thing about men going to mandos when they died soooo (BoLT 1) |
12-25-2002, 03:32 PM | #3 |
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
|
I really don't understand some of these things at times.
When Ar-Pharazon steps onto Aman he and his band of merry men get earthed (albeit they have come as invaders). It is said a lot in the Akallabeth that Men simply AREN'T allowed into Aman. So why is Tuor, etc. Did the rules change after the First Age or what??
__________________
Legends of Middle Earth |
12-25-2002, 03:46 PM | #4 |
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
|
Well, considering Ar-Pharazon and his men were trying to destroy the Ainur and the Elves in Aman...I think the Valar had a good reason to bury them.
__________________
"Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them." |
12-25-2002, 06:52 PM | #5 | |
Shade of Carn Dūm
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Gondolin
Posts: 413
|
Technically all men end up in Valinor eventually, since after death their spirits travel to Mandos before leaving Arda forever. Beren only entered Valinor after death, but was exceptional in that he returned to Middle Earth afterwards.
In the Silmarillion occurs the following statement (in narrative voice): Quote:
As for men being allowed (alive) into Aman - Earendil was admitted to Valinor because he was a half-elf and because of the message he bore, and Tuor was a special exception, having had his fate changed by Eru to that of the elves. Possibly this was because of Tuor's faithful service to Ulmo, and the fact that he had lived with the elves all his life and had married Idril, an elf. Leaving Elfwine, in his many forms, aside, the only other mortals admitted to the Undying Lands were the Ringbearers and Gimli - again exceptions, and even they only went to Tol Eressea rather than to Valinor itself. There are plenty of threads in The Books discussing all these things in much greater depth, just waiting to be dug up.
__________________
"If you would be a real seeker after truth, you must at least once in your life doubt, as far as possible, all things." -- René Descartes |
|
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|