The Nation's Favourite Wizard - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Lalwendë · 07-09-2007, 07:11 AM

I see that there has been a poll conducted to find which is the UK's favourite wizard. Gandalf won.

Favourite movie wizards
1. Gandalf (The Lord Of The Rings) 44%
2. Dumbledore (Harry Potter) 17%
3. Harry Potter (Harry Potter) 9%
4. Merlin (The Sword in the Stone) 6%
5. The Wizard of Oz (The Wizard of Oz) 2%

Aside from it being a crying shame that Roy Wood was yet again pipped to the post, I like to think Gandalf won as he is the archetypal Wiz. Yes, he is also the style icon for tramps and street drinkers across the length and breadth of the nation, but young Harry just does not possess the facial hair, the hat nor the cloak to cut it in comparison, nor is he old enough to indulge in de rigeur Wiz habits such as drinking and smoking. And a little flicky wand is so wuss compared to a ruddy great staff. Even Dumbledore follows the tramp=wizard formula so earning himself a second place.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 07-09-2007, 07:23 AM

A wizard also has to have that sence of mystery around and preferable talking in riddles at times, Harry does not posess any of these.

For me there is really two Gandalfs. . .Gandalf of The Hobbit and Ganalf of Lord of the Rings. . .wait! Make that tree Gandalfs as we have both the grey and the white.

I think he has more self-confident or at least is more self-praising in The Hobbit and I think that makes him even more interesting and more of a favourit character for me.

radagastly · 07-09-2007, 08:22 AM

Well, at least Bakshi's Gandalf didn't place.

Concerning Harry Potter:

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However, he's still a wizard in training, so maybe one day his facial hair will be just as spellbinding to cinema audiences.

I'm not sure I'd want to be Daniel Radcliffe if I was still playing Harry Potter when I looked as old and wizened as Sir Ian McKellan or Sir Michael Gambon.

MatthewM · 07-09-2007, 09:56 AM

Of course Gandalf won...he is THE wizard, and he would not suffer otherwise.

the guy who be short · 07-10-2007, 06:38 AM

Ahem...

I actually prefer Dumbledore, as wizards go. There are several reasons, not all of which I know. I'll try to think of a few:

- As funny as Gandalf can be at times, I much prefer Dumbledore's dry sense of humour that permeates more or less everything he says.
- Dumbledore is not grouchy. He is always calm and controlled, whatever the situation.
- He is a human. Gandalf is a Maia. Dumbledore therefore feels that much more accessible and all of that.
- Dumbledore does magic! And rather magnificently, too.

So, feel free to shout.

Lalwendë · 07-10-2007, 06:48 AM

Dumbledore does have the added bonus that he tends to have a bag of sweets on him at all times. And he has that handy Pensieve too.

But Gandalf has Pipe-weed and he could teach you to blow smoke-rings. Now that is cool.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 07-10-2007, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by the guy who be short

Ahem...

I actually prefer Dumbledore, as wizards go. There are several reasons, not all of which I know. I'll try to think of a few:

- As funny as Gandalf can be at times, I much prefer Dumbledore's dry sense of humour that permeates more or less everything he says.
- Dumbledore is not grouchy. He is always calm and controlled, whatever the situation.
- He is a human. Gandalf is a Maia. Dumbledore therefore feels that much more accessible and all of that.
- Dumbledore does magic! And rather magnificently, too.

So, feel free to shout.

I would say that the fact that Dumbledore is never grouchy makes him untrustworthy. . .Gandalf seem more human even though he is not.

Morthoron · 07-10-2007, 08:37 PM

I'd have to say Gandalf is the most consistent characterization and most forceful, with the caveat that T.H. White's reiteration of Merlin is, for me, the most endearing (imagine the difficulty of living backwards in time while everyone else is going forwards). Unfortunately, Merlin has been kicked around by so many authors (from Mary Stewart's somber, almost humorless character, to Zimmer-Bradley's use of 'the Merlin' as a title and giving it to more than one character, to the distant and arcane Merlin of Malory), and so poor Merlin has some baggage that Gandalf does not. I don't consider Dumbledore in the same league as Gandalf or Merlin, but then I never really was a fan of the Potter books.

The Sixth Wizard · 07-11-2007, 07:03 AM

Well, evidently if he had been so listed, The Sixth Wizard would have stormed the competition, being the only one with a definite article as part of his title. Of course, this would be massively tipped in the aforementioned's favour, thus his exclusion from this particular contest. I'll get you back for this, Guardian Unlimited!

I think I prefer Merlin as a wizard stereotype.

Between Gandalf and Dumbledore it's tough to choose; whenever one appears on the scene of action, you are uplifted, knowing (or thinking) it's going to be okay; whenever they speak, you know you are talking to an elder and better, a teacher but not a peer however friendly they are; we know each is not perfect (Gandalf makes the 'mistake' of tackling Moria and makes others, Dumbledore procrastinates) but has the right intentions ... I also saw that Gandalf frightened Gollum with fire and Dumbledore threatened Kreacher the same way, though neither wanted to... Okay I'm rambling now.

(flips coin) Gandalf for not being a nutter!

The Sixth Wizard · 07-11-2007, 07:06 AM

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- He is a human. Gandalf is a Maia. Dumbledore therefore feels that much more accessible and all of that.

Actually I find Gandalf more accessible, mainly because he can just sit down with the hobbits and have a smoke and a chat, whereas Dumbledore certainly can't with Harry etc.

Lindale · 07-11-2007, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Sixth Wizard

I think I prefer Merlin as a wizard stereotype.

Yup. Merlin is the wizard, unless some archeologist literati discovers an even older wizard stereotype. I mean, where would Gandalf and Dumbledore be without Merlin? Of course being Gandalf or Albus would have perks, say that their authors have had more stereotypes and archetypes known, and that they've had a bit of those. Gandalf had some of the hero archetype in him, like teh reluctance to go to the quest and stuff like that.

(Throw something at me now, I'm not British, not even Western!

)

Kitanna · 07-11-2007, 11:03 PM

I find it rather upsetting Merlin placed so low. Behind Harry Potter? What is that all about? I can understand Merlin following Dumbledore, but Harry Potter?

As far as the stereotype for wizards go I believe Merlin and Gandalf embody it. Both come from a time and place filled with elves and dragons and guiding kings to the throne. And though Harry Potter has dragons and such, it takes place in the present. Sort of destroying the whole magic of a land so far away, knowing that Harry came from our world and often returns. But the real point is without the legendary wizarding efforts of Merlin the whole stereotype would not exist and Gandalf, Dumbledore, and Potter would never have a chance. The Wizard from Oz might, but only because he was just some guy from Kansas who had no idea how to pilot a balloon.

MatthewM · 07-11-2007, 11:23 PM

I would just like to say that although I have never read any Harry Potter books, I like the movies, and although I have no idea what happened in the books, in this latest movie (The Order of the Phoenix) Dumbledore impressed me a lot. His power was shown in a much greater scale than I thought he possessed.

Still, he has nothing on Gandalf!

Knight of Gondor · 07-12-2007, 05:55 AM

Oh yeessss!

MatthewM · 07-12-2007, 08:41 AM

Haha!

***Thenamir*** · 07-12-2007, 09:04 AM

What?! Radagast didn't even place? What about Saruman? And the recently-departed Don Herbert, aka "Mr. Wizard"? This is a travesty!

radagastly · 07-12-2007, 09:24 PM

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Originally posted by Thenamir

And the recently-departed Don Herbert, aka "Mr. Wizard"? This is a travesty!

I am all over a vote for Don Herbert. Not only did he mix vinegar and baking soda, he did it inside a bottle and launched it into the air until it pelted the ceiling. Mr. Wizard rules!

Lalwendë · 07-13-2007, 07:16 AM

I've just had to look this guy up as he sounded like he did my sort of entertainment, making messy science experiments. He sounded cool! Like our own Johnny Ball who made Maths fun!

But still, I think it was a crying shame that Roy Wood's Wizzard did not make the list...

07-09-2007, 07:11 AM	#1
Lalwendë A Mere Boggart Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: under the bed Posts: 4,737	The Nation's Favourite Wizard I see that there has been a poll conducted to find which is the UK's favourite wizard. Gandalf won. Favourite movie wizards 1. Gandalf (The Lord Of The Rings) 44% 2. Dumbledore (Harry Potter) 17% 3. Harry Potter (Harry Potter) 9% 4. Merlin (The Sword in the Stone) 6% 5. The Wizard of Oz (The Wizard of Oz) 2% Aside from it being a crying shame that Roy Wood was yet again pipped to the post, I like to think Gandalf won as he is the archetypal Wiz. Yes, he is also the style icon for tramps and street drinkers across the length and breadth of the nation, but young Harry just does not possess the facial hair, the hat nor the cloak to cut it in comparison, nor is he old enough to indulge in de rigeur Wiz habits such as drinking and smoking. And a little flicky wand is so wuss compared to a ruddy great staff. Even Dumbledore follows the tramp=wizard formula so earning himself a second place. __________________ Gordon's alive!

07-09-2007, 09:56 AM	#4
MatthewM Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New York Posts: 628	Of course Gandalf won...he is THE wizard, and he would not suffer otherwise. __________________ "Loud and clear it sounds in the valleys of the hills...and then let all the foes of Gondor flee!" -Boromir, The Fellowship of the Ring

07-10-2007, 06:48 AM	#6
Lalwendë A Mere Boggart Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: under the bed Posts: 4,737	Dumbledore does have the added bonus that he tends to have a bag of sweets on him at all times. And he has that handy Pensieve too. But Gandalf has Pipe-weed and he could teach you to blow smoke-rings. Now that is cool. __________________ Gordon's alive!

07-10-2007, 08:37 PM	#8
Morthoron Curmudgeonly Wordwraith Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ensconced in curmudgeonly pursuits Posts: 2,509	I'd have to say Gandalf is the most consistent characterization and most forceful, with the caveat that T.H. White's reiteration of Merlin is, for me, the most endearing (imagine the difficulty of living backwards in time while everyone else is going forwards). Unfortunately, Merlin has been kicked around by so many authors (from Mary Stewart's somber, almost humorless character, to Zimmer-Bradley's use of 'the Merlin' as a title and giving it to more than one character, to the distant and arcane Merlin of Malory), and so poor Merlin has some baggage that Gandalf does not. I don't consider Dumbledore in the same league as Gandalf or Merlin, but then I never really was a fan of the Potter books. __________________ And your little sister's immaculate virginity wings away on the bony shoulders of a young horse named George who stole surreptitiously into her geography revision.

07-11-2007, 07:03 AM	#9
The Sixth Wizard Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Stuck under a rock in Valinor with Ar-Pharazon. Posts: 480	The REAL Winner... Well, evidently if he had been so listed, The Sixth Wizard would have stormed the competition, being the only one with a definite article as part of his title. Of course, this would be massively tipped in the aforementioned's favour, thus his exclusion from this particular contest. I'll get you back for this, Guardian Unlimited! I think I prefer Merlin as a wizard stereotype. Between Gandalf and Dumbledore it's tough to choose; whenever one appears on the scene of action, you are uplifted, knowing (or thinking) it's going to be okay; whenever they speak, you know you are talking to an elder and better, a teacher but not a peer however friendly they are; we know each is not perfect (Gandalf makes the 'mistake' of tackling Moria and makes others, Dumbledore procrastinates) but has the right intentions ... I also saw that Gandalf frightened Gollum with fire and Dumbledore threatened Kreacher the same way, though neither wanted to... Okay I'm rambling now. (flips coin) Gandalf for not being a nutter!

07-10-2007, 06:38 AM	#5
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	Ahem... I actually prefer Dumbledore, as wizards go. There are several reasons, not all of which I know. I'll try to think of a few: - As funny as Gandalf can be at times, I much prefer Dumbledore's dry sense of humour that permeates more or less everything he says. - Dumbledore is not grouchy. He is always calm and controlled, whatever the situation. - He is a human. Gandalf is a Maia. Dumbledore therefore feels that much more accessible and all of that. - Dumbledore does magic! And rather magnificently, too. So, feel free to shout.

07-11-2007, 11:03 PM	#12
Kitanna Child of the West Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Watching President Fillmore ride a unicorn Posts: 2,132	I find it rather upsetting Merlin placed so low. Behind Harry Potter? What is that all about? I can understand Merlin following Dumbledore, but Harry Potter? As far as the stereotype for wizards go I believe Merlin and Gandalf embody it. Both come from a time and place filled with elves and dragons and guiding kings to the throne. And though Harry Potter has dragons and such, it takes place in the present. Sort of destroying the whole magic of a land so far away, knowing that Harry came from our world and often returns. But the real point is without the legendary wizarding efforts of Merlin the whole stereotype would not exist and Gandalf, Dumbledore, and Potter would never have a chance. The Wizard from Oz might, but only because he was just some guy from Kansas who had no idea how to pilot a balloon. __________________ "Let us live so that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." - Mark Twain

07-11-2007, 11:23 PM	#13
MatthewM Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New York Posts: 628	I would just like to say that although I have never read any Harry Potter books, I like the movies, and although I have no idea what happened in the books, in this latest movie (The Order of the Phoenix) Dumbledore impressed me a lot. His power was shown in a much greater scale than I thought he possessed. Still, he has nothing on Gandalf! __________________ "Loud and clear it sounds in the valleys of the hills...and then let all the foes of Gondor flee!" -Boromir, The Fellowship of the Ring

07-12-2007, 05:55 AM	#14
Knight of Gondor Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 744	Oh yeessss! __________________ Eagerly awaiting the REAL Return of the King - Jesus Christ! Revelation 19:11-16

07-12-2007, 08:41 AM	#15
MatthewM Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New York Posts: 628	Haha! __________________ "Loud and clear it sounds in the valleys of the hills...and then let all the foes of Gondor flee!" -Boromir, The Fellowship of the Ring

07-12-2007, 09:04 AM	#16
*Thenamir* Spectre of Capitalism Join Date: May 2001 Location: Battling evil bureaucrats at Zeta Aquilae Posts: 987	Outrage! What?! Radagast didn't even place? What about Saruman? And the recently-departed Don Herbert, aka "Mr. Wizard"? This is a travesty! __________________ The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. ~~ Marcus Aurelius

07-13-2007, 07:16 AM	#18
Lalwendë A Mere Boggart Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: under the bed Posts: 4,737	I've just had to look this guy up as he sounded like he did my sort of entertainment, making messy science experiments. He sounded cool! Like our own Johnny Ball who made Maths fun! But still, I think it was a crying shame that Roy Wood's Wizzard did not make the list... __________________ Gordon's alive!

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