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12-24-2006, 02:26 PM | #1 |
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The Iron Hills, the most powerful kingdom in Wilderland?
While reading through appendix A, I found on page 1052, first paragraph, this bit of info about the Iron Hills:
"Among many cares he (Gandalf) was troubled in mind by the perilous state of the North; because he knew then already that Sauron was plotting war, and intended, as soon as he felt strong enough, to attack Rivendell. But to resist any attempt from the East to regain the lands of Angmar and the Northern passes in the mountains there were now only the Dwarves of the Iron Hills." This text leads me to believe then, that the Iron Hills was the strongest kingdom in Wilderland after the taking of Erebor by Smaug. For Thorin said himself when he was talking to Roac the raven about sending messengers "But go specially to my cousin Dain in the Iron Hills, for he has many people well-armed". Just thought I would share this interesting info. |
12-24-2006, 03:01 PM | #2 |
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There are only few realms left in Wilderland. We have first the Dwarves of the Iron Hills under Daín, as you mentioned. Second, we have the realm of Thranduil in Mirkwood. Furthermore, there are the Beornings, but they could hardly considered a realm at this time, right?
Southern Wilderland is deserted. All people moved northwards after the wars with the wainriders etc. The Éothéod moved then southward to settle in Calenardhon. As realm of Men could only be considered vaguely the people of Laketown and nearby So, I would say, that only the Elves of Mirkwood and the Dwarves of the Iron Hills could be considered as realm. When it is told, that only the Dwarves of the Iron Hills could stop Sauron from taking back the old realm of Angmar, then I would say, that it is meant, that they are strategically able to stop Sauron, because of the location of the realm. I am sure, that the Wood-Elves could stop his army, too, if they have come through Mirkwood. But sending his army through Mirkwood or along its borders would mean to face the Elves and probably the Dwarves together. Destroying only the Dwarves of the Iron Hills would mean, that they could reoccupy Angmar going through the northern waste lands and avoiding Mirkwood and therefore the Elves. For that reason, I would not say, that the Dwarves are the most powerful realm in Wilderland. The Elves could (only could) be more powerful or equal.
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12-26-2006, 02:53 PM | #3 | ||
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King Dain (and his people) were always a staunch resistor to Sauron. The dwarves (and Men of Dale) role during the War of the Ring must not be overlooked. The main focus is on Gondor...that is the place Sauron hates the most and feels it would be the toughest to take over. So, it is Gondor that would bare the bulk of Sauron's focus and attack. However, eventhough if that's the focus of the story we are told about in the Return of the King; I don't think the resistance of Dain's people should be cast aside.
While Sauron was attacking Gondor he also sent another force to attack the Dwarves of the Iron Hills, and it is them that hold off and stop Sauron's advance to Rivendell and beyond. Sauron had a brilliant strategy...he made some mistakes executing his plans; but his plan was brilliant. He wanted to prevent another Last Alliance like he faced in the 2nd Age. Eventhough if the Free Peoples would not be able to put up the numbers like they did in the Last Alliance, nevertheless Sauron wanted to prevent them all from uniting together again. So, what he does is he feels Gondor is his main threat, and he prevents other possible allies from helping Gondor out. Gondor would take the brunt of Sauron's assault, but to prevent 'outside help' Sauron effectively ties up the other areas. He gets Saruman on his side to attack Rohan...probably Gondor's greatest ally. He sends a force to attack the Dwarves and tie them up...hoping to continue on into Rivendell and beyond. He ties up the Elves of Lorien and of Mirkwood with attacks from Moria and Dol Guldur respectively. What Sauron plans is brilliant; he doesn't do the best job executing his plan, but the plan itself is an excellent idea. So, now comes the importance of the Iron Hills...which I think is evident in the quote you provided; and what A_Brandybuck talks about. I think it's a tribute to teh strength of the dwarves that Sauron didn't want to fight them unless he had to...remember at first he sent messengers to Dain to try and win him over and avoid fighting them: Quote:
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What the Dwarves and Men in the area did first rejecting Sauron's offer of peace (since they knew Sauron was going to deceive them), and second holding off his advance further is quite a testament to the strength of the people in the area to resist Sauron. If Sauron trying to offer them a peace so he could avoid confrontation with them isn't already enough.
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12-26-2006, 05:51 PM | #4 | |
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And this quote proves just how important the part of the Men of Dale and Dwarves of Erebor was in the WOTR:
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It is also important to remember the exiles who settled in the Iron Hills were of the clan of the Longbeards, most commonly known as Durin's Folk so were of the most noble kind of Dwarves. It is also important to remember that Sauron offered his enemies such choices even when they were clearly close to defeat, for example at the Black Gate. Even though the Host of the West clearly had no possibility to win, Sauron still gave them the choice to retreat and surrender.
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